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Tottenham Discussion => Spurs Chat => Topic started by: scotspurs on November 26, 2013, 01:27:57 PM
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Soldado - I'm not impressed with our ''star'' striker and think he is starting to look like a dud.
What are your thoughts???
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My thought is that Soldado is not getting the service he needs and that's why he doesn't score enough. I also think pointing fingers after a bad result doesn't help anyone nor solves any of our problems.
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My thought is that Soldado is not getting the service he needs and that's why he doesn't score enough. I also think pointing fingers after a bad result doesn't help anyone nor solves any of our problems.
I've been saying this for ages. Nobody is supplying him or even Defoe. And before anybody says anything; where Defoe has been scoring is in easy cup matches. League matches he is worse than Soldado.
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Soldado - I'm not impressed with our ''star'' striker and think he is starting to look like a dud.
What are your thoughts???
AVB is the dud buying a striker who likes to play in a two and then plays him as a lone striker, real tactical awareness by AVB !!!!
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Soldado - I'm not impressed with our ''star'' striker and think he is starting to look like a dud.
What are your thoughts???
AVB is the dud buying a striker who likes to play in a two and then plays him as a lone striker, real tactical awareness by AVB !!!!
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Even if he had two up front; that isn't the problem. The problem is not serving who is ever up front. Don't forget he has had two up front.
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Ade hold up play would have helped Soldado on Sunday but AVB took him off!
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Ade hold up play would have helped Soldado on Sunday but AVB took him off!
Let us see what happens in the next two matches.
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The lack of service to Soldado or Defoe has been plainly and painfully obvious from day 1. The sooner it gets sorted, the better.
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Quite simply the answer is too start Ade up front with Soldado, at least give them the opportunity, lets see if it works!!!
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An even bigger worry is Erik Lamela if you ask me
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An even bigger worry is Erik Lamela if you ask me
In what way? Not settling in yet?
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Soldado IMO is not a dud, if he was getting service and blowing chance after chance then yes you could put that case forward, but he is getting nothing!
Is confidence must be right down the s**tter and he like a few others are possibly regretting their decision.
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An even bigger worry is Erik Lamela if you ask me
In what way? Not settling in yet?
Yes, exactly. Both our record signings are finding it near on impossible to fit into the system AVB is intent on playing, which for me is a very worrying factor.
It would have been like when Billy Nick paid a then UK record fee for Jimmy Greaves (5'8") him saying on his first start " go on son, you're on your own up front, just make the most of it" Its bloody laughable really.
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Soldado IMO is not a dud, if he was getting service and blowing chance after chance then yes you could put that case forward, but he is getting nothing!
Is confidence must be right down the s**tter and he like a few others are possibly regretting their decision.
If you ask me, the only one not regretting his decision is Bale.
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I haven't seen the team sheet for the Tromso game this evening, but I would like to see Soldado with another striker up front leading a side that AVB could field on our next League match instead of the second side he has put on so far in the euro games. :up:
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An even bigger worry is Erik Lamela if you ask me
In what way? Not settling in yet?
Yes, exactly. Both our record signings are finding it near on impossible to fit into the system AVB is intent on playing, which for me is a very worrying factor.
It would have been like when Billy Nick paid a then UK record fee for Jimmy Greaves (5'8") him saying on his first start " go on son, you're on your own up front, just make the most of it" Its bloody laughable really.
There is nothing wrong with one up front providing that you've got the team to support the lone striker. When Clive Allen was up front in the diamond formation it worked. Take him out of it and it failed.
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Our build up is so slow by the time the ball gets anywhere near the opposing penalty area our striker(s) are marked out of the game. Spurs are famed for our attacking play and the speed we get the ball forward, this isn't happening at the moment and until it does Soldado will be running round like a headless chicken. As for Lamela the guy has barely been given a chance as yet, and against City he was played out of position. There is a great big banner at White Hart Lane saying To Dare Is To Do AVB should take that to heart and stop sending the lads out with such a timid try not to get beat attitude, maybe then we will see the old Tottenham Hotspur.
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An interview was in a tabloid today regarding Soldado, I really like the fact that he has not tried to make any excuses for not achieving the standards he also expects as well as us supporters.
We all know he is not a dud and is taking time to settle in, that coupled with shyte service has seen him benched.
My thoughts go out to him and his wife after her miscarriage 2 weeks ago, which looking at the timing may also be the reason why he was benched.
I hope the hattrick he banged in midweek has given him a much needed lift, in view of that I think it would be a mistake not to play him today!
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What will be interesting now is how the new manager will play Soldado?
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What will be interesting now is how the new manager will play Soldado?
Well personally I hope the new or interim manager will play Soldado as a striker as think he would make a crap defender or goalkeeper!
I would expect to see him partnered up front possible with Lamela or Defoe.
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Soldado will come good. never a dud imo. Let's what Sherwood come up with.
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Soldado will come good. never a dud imo. Let's what Sherwood come up with.
Time will tell now, for sure, as to whether AVB caused him to misfire, or whether indeed he is a 26 mill dud. Surely, whoever takes over will try him out in a different role.
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Soldado is a quality striker who our previous Coach used in the wrong ROLE (as a lone striker) he needs a striking partner. Any decent coach worth his salt will realize that. :up: :up: :up:
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Soldado is a quality striker who our previous Coach used in the wrong ROLE (as a lone striker) he needs a striking partner. Any decent coach worth his salt will realize that. :up: :up: :up:
Agreed. As Ray Wilkins pointed out this morning on Talk Sport, we are crying out for a CF to go with Soldado.
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Soldado is a quality striker who our previous Coach used in the wrong ROLE (as a lone striker) he needs a striking partner. Any decent coach worth his salt will realize that. :up: :up: :up:
I would be interested to see how Tim Sherwood or any future manager will play him. I also agree with you that Soldado will come good.
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Soldado is a quality striker who our previous Coach used in the wrong ROLE (as a lone striker) he needs a striking partner. Any decent coach worth his salt will realize that. :up: :up: :up:
Agreed. As Ray Wilkins pointed out this morning on Talk Sport, we are crying out for a CF to go with Soldado.
Players that were out in the cold might get a second chance under the new manager.
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Players that were out in the cold might get a second chance under the new manager.
And that includes Adebayor! :ohyeah:
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Players that were out in the cold might get a second chance under the new manager.
And that includes Adebayor! :ohyeah:
True. To be honest I always thought that he should have been given a go. We pay him high wages so he should have at least been on the bench.
Another point; there were a lot of rumours that has injured; but that seems not to have been the case.
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Soldado playing much better with a partner involved in 43% of our goals to date and has a few himself even if most are from the penalty spot that is an area where in recent seasons we have failed also!
Some fans need to give him a break!
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Soldado playing much better with a partner involved in 43% of our goals to date and has a few himself even if most are from the penalty spot that is an area where in recent seasons we have failed also!
Some fans need to give him a break!
It must have been annoying for him to be taken off and replaced by a sold player (Defoe). That must give him some sort of message.
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Soldado playing much better with a partner involved in 43% of our goals to date and has a few himself even if most are from the penalty spot that is an area where in recent seasons we have failed also!
Some fans need to give him a break!
It must have been annoying for him to be taken off and replaced by a sold player (Defoe). That must give him some sort of message.
I actually thought it was good management by Sherwood, Soldado had had a poor game and was not in the game so replace him with another striker who went on to score a goal ... good management. Soldado is being given every chance by Sherwood to find his form and there have been flashes but Soldado needs to score plain and simple he needs to find the back of the net and that will give him confidence .... when that happens I'm pretty confident that he will go on to score a few more and end the season with a reasonable tally.
:)
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Soldado playing much better with a partner involved in 43% of our goals to date and has a few himself even if most are from the penalty spot that is an area where in recent seasons we have failed also!
Some fans need to give him a break!
It must have been annoying for him to be taken off and replaced by a sold player (Defoe). That must give him some sort of message.
I actually thought it was good management by Sherwood, Soldado had had a poor game and was not in the game so replace him with another striker who went on to score a goal ... good management. Soldado is being given every chance by Sherwood to find his form and there have been flashes but Soldado needs to score plain and simple he needs to find the back of the net and that will give him confidence .... when that happens I'm pretty confident that he will go on to score a few more and end the season with a reasonable tally.
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Well, let us hope you are right.
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Soldado playing much better with a partner involved in 43% of our goals to date and has a few himself even if most are from the penalty spot that is an area where in recent seasons we have failed also!
Some fans need to give him a break!
It must have been annoying for him to be taken off and replaced by a sold player (Defoe). That must give him some sort of message.
I actually thought it was good management by Sherwood, Soldado had had a poor game and was not in the game so replace him with another striker who went on to score a goal ... good management. Soldado is being given every chance by Sherwood to find his form and there have been flashes but Soldado needs to score plain and simple he needs to find the back of the net and that will give him confidence .... when that happens I'm pretty confident that he will go on to score a few more and end the season with a reasonable tally.
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I'm with you on this Ugs, you don't become a bad player overnight, his confidence is at Rock Bottom, mainly because our previous manager continually played him as a lone striker, add to that the fact that he was getting little or no service, at least now he has Ade who is trying to feed him, I don't think it will be that long before we start to see the REAL SOLDADO.!!!!!!
:ohyeah: :ohyeah: :ohyeah: :ohyeah:
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Soldado playing much better with a partner involved in 43% of our goals to date and has a few himself even if most are from the penalty spot that is an area where in recent seasons we have failed also!
Some fans need to give him a break!
It must have been annoying for him to be taken off and replaced by a sold player (Defoe). That must give him some sort of message.
I actually thought it was good management by Sherwood, Soldado had had a poor game and was not in the game so replace him with another striker who went on to score a goal ... good management. Soldado is being given every chance by Sherwood to find his form and there have been flashes but Soldado needs to score plain and simple he needs to find the back of the net and that will give him confidence .... when that happens I'm pretty confident that he will go on to score a few more and end the season with a reasonable tally.
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I'm with you on this Ugs, you don't become a bad player overnight, his confidence is at Rock Bottom, mainly because our previous manager continually played him as a lone striker, add to that the fact that he was getting little or no service, at least now he has Ade who is trying to feed him, I don't think it will be that long before we start to see the REAL SOLDADO.!!!!!!
:ohyeah: :ohyeah: :ohyeah: :ohyeah:
Agreed, plus he also makes some useful assists that prove he does have class, just lacks confidence in front of goal. IMO it will come.
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Soldado playing much better with a partner involved in 43% of our goals to date and has a few himself even if most are from the penalty spot that is an area where in recent seasons we have failed also!
Some fans need to give him a break!
It must have been annoying for him to be taken off and replaced by a sold player (Defoe). That must give him some sort of message.
I actually thought it was good management by Sherwood, Soldado had had a poor game and was not in the game so replace him with another striker who went on to score a goal ... good management. Soldado is being given every chance by Sherwood to find his form and there have been flashes but Soldado needs to score plain and simple he needs to find the back of the net and that will give him confidence .... when that happens I'm pretty confident that he will go on to score a few more and end the season with a reasonable tally.
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I'm with you on this Ugs, you don't become a bad player overnight, his confidence is at Rock Bottom, mainly because our previous manager continually played him as a lone striker, add to that the fact that he was getting little or no service, at least now he has Ade who is trying to feed him, I don't think it will be that long before we start to see the REAL SOLDADO.!!!!!!
:ohyeah: :ohyeah: :ohyeah: :ohyeah:
Whatever the rights or wrongs on the managers we need to finish in the top 4. That is where the money is and we need the money to compete with the top teams. A new stadium will help; but that will take a couple of years.
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Soldado playing much better with a partner involved in 43% of our goals to date and has a few himself even if most are from the penalty spot that is an area where in recent seasons we have failed also!
Some fans need to give him a break!
It must have been annoying for him to be taken off and replaced by a sold player (Defoe). That must give him some sort of message.
I actually thought it was good management by Sherwood, Soldado had had a poor game and was not in the game so replace him with another striker who went on to score a goal ... good management. Soldado is being given every chance by Sherwood to find his form and there have been flashes but Soldado needs to score plain and simple he needs to find the back of the net and that will give him confidence .... when that happens I'm pretty confident that he will go on to score a few more and end the season with a reasonable tally.
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I'm with you on this Ugs, you don't become a bad player overnight, his confidence is at Rock Bottom, mainly because our previous manager continually played him as a lone striker, add to that the fact that he was getting little or no service, at least now he has Ade who is trying to feed him, I don't think it will be that long before we start to see the REAL SOLDADO.!!!!!!
:ohyeah: :ohyeah: :ohyeah: :ohyeah:
Whatever the rights or wrongs on the managers we need to finish in the top 4. That is where the money is and we need the money to compete with the top teams. A new stadium will help; but that will take a couple of years.
Unfortunately Voice, whether you like it or not, the wrongs of the previous manager do have a direct bearing on Soldado and his present form, he (AVB) has to take some responsibility for his (Soldado's) current form. :nods: :nods:
Finishing in the Top 4, Money and a New stadium has absolutely nothing to do with this Topic. :nope: :nope:
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Soldado playing much better with a partner involved in 43% of our goals to date and has a few himself even if most are from the penalty spot that is an area where in recent seasons we have failed also!
Some fans need to give him a break!
It must have been annoying for him to be taken off and replaced by a sold player (Defoe). That must give him some sort of message.
I actually thought it was good management by Sherwood, Soldado had had a poor game and was not in the game so replace him with another striker who went on to score a goal ... good management. Soldado is being given every chance by Sherwood to find his form and there have been flashes but Soldado needs to score plain and simple he needs to find the back of the net and that will give him confidence .... when that happens I'm pretty confident that he will go on to score a few more and end the season with a reasonable tally.
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I'm with you on this Ugs, you don't become a bad player overnight, his confidence is at Rock Bottom, mainly because our previous manager continually played him as a lone striker, add to that the fact that he was getting little or no service, at least now he has Ade who is trying to feed him, I don't think it will be that long before we start to see the REAL SOLDADO.!!!!!!
:ohyeah: :ohyeah: :ohyeah: :ohyeah:
Whatever the rights or wrongs on the managers we need to finish in the top 4. That is where the money is and we need the money to compete with the top teams. A new stadium will help; but that will take a couple of years.
Unfortunately Voice, whether you like it or not, the wrongs of the previous manager do have a direct bearing on Soldado and his present form, he (AVB) has to take some responsibility for his (Soldado's) current form. :nods: :nods:
Finishing in the Top 4, Money and a New stadium has absolutely nothing to do with this Topic. :nope: :nope:
>:( >:( >:( >:(
Of course it has to do with this topic; it all leads to Spurs doing well and finishing as high as possible.
The problem isn't to do with previous managers, but Levy making bad decisions.
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Soldado playing much better with a partner involved in 43% of our goals to date and has a few himself even if most are from the penalty spot that is an area where in recent seasons we have failed also!
Some fans need to give him a break!
It must have been annoying for him to be taken off and replaced by a sold player (Defoe). That must give him some sort of message.
I actually thought it was good management by Sherwood, Soldado had had a poor game and was not in the game so replace him with another striker who went on to score a goal ... good management. Soldado is being given every chance by Sherwood to find his form and there have been flashes but Soldado needs to score plain and simple he needs to find the back of the net and that will give him confidence .... when that happens I'm pretty confident that he will go on to score a few more and end the season with a reasonable tally.
:)
I'm with you on this Ugs, you don't become a bad player overnight, his confidence is at Rock Bottom, mainly because our previous manager continually played him as a lone striker, add to that the fact that he was getting little or no service, at least now he has Ade who is trying to feed him, I don't think it will be that long before we start to see the REAL SOLDADO.!!!!!!
:ohyeah: :ohyeah: :ohyeah: :ohyeah:
Whatever the rights or wrongs on the managers we need to finish in the top 4. That is where the money is and we need the money to compete with the top teams. A new stadium will help; but that will take a couple of years.
Unfortunately Voice, whether you like it or not, the wrongs of the previous manager do have a direct bearing on Soldado and his present form, he (AVB) has to take some responsibility for his (Soldado's) current form. :nods: :nods:
Finishing in the Top 4, Money and a New stadium has absolutely nothing to do with this Topic. :nope: :nope:
>:( >:( >:( >:(
Of course it has to do with this topic; it all leads to Spurs doing well and finishing as high as possible.
The problem isn't to do with previous managers, but Levy making bad decisions.
Actually the problem was to do with AVB playing Soldado up front on his own when the whole world knew that Soldado played in a two up front and scored all his goals in the box (apart from one). Thus AVB asked him to do a job that he was not cut out for and eventually due to Soldado's inability to play that way destroyed his confidence because he was getting no service, no assistance and no goals !!!
Now we wait for your pointless argument trying to justify your statement and make everybody else out to be footballing morons because you are always right !!!
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Soldado playing much better with a partner involved in 43% of our goals to date and has a few himself even if most are from the penalty spot that is an area where in recent seasons we have failed also!
Some fans need to give him a break!
It must have been annoying for him to be taken off and replaced by a sold player (Defoe). That must give him some sort of message.
I actually thought it was good management by Sherwood, Soldado had had a poor game and was not in the game so replace him with another striker who went on to score a goal ... good management. Soldado is being given every chance by Sherwood to find his form and there have been flashes but Soldado needs to score plain and simple he needs to find the back of the net and that will give him confidence .... when that happens I'm pretty confident that he will go on to score a few more and end the season with a reasonable tally.
:)
I'm with you on this Ugs, you don't become a bad player overnight, his confidence is at Rock Bottom, mainly because our previous manager continually played him as a lone striker, add to that the fact that he was getting little or no service, at least now he has Ade who is trying to feed him, I don't think it will be that long before we start to see the REAL SOLDADO.!!!!!!
:ohyeah: :ohyeah: :ohyeah: :ohyeah:
Whatever the rights or wrongs on the managers we need to finish in the top 4. That is where the money is and we need the money to compete with the top teams. A new stadium will help; but that will take a couple of years.
Unfortunately Voice, whether you like it or not, the wrongs of the previous manager do have a direct bearing on Soldado and his present form, he (AVB) has to take some responsibility for his (Soldado's) current form. :nods: :nods:
Finishing in the Top 4, Money and a New stadium has absolutely nothing to do with this Topic. :nope: :nope:
>:( >:( >:( >:(
Of course it has to do with this topic; it all leads to Spurs doing well and finishing as high as possible.
The problem isn't to do with previous managers, but Levy making bad decisions.
Actually the problem was to do with AVB playing Soldado up front on his own when the whole world knew that Soldado played in a two up front and scored all his goals in the box (apart from one). Thus AVB asked him to do a job that he was not cut out for and eventually due to Soldado's inability to play that way destroyed his confidence because he was getting no service, no assistance and no goals !!!
Now we wait for your pointless argument trying to justify your statement and make everybody else out to be footballing morons because you are always right !!!
:grin:
Haven't you jumped the gun a bit? ;)
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Oh please excuse me Voice, but I thought that this topic was named " SOLDADO - 26 million pound dud" , but obviously I am mistaken!! :-[ :-[ :-[
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I have tried to give Soldado the benefit of the doubt due to the fact that he has scored all of his penalties, most of which were under a lot of pressure at the time, and something that none of our other strikers have done with any consistency. That, coupled with his nice touches and assists has made me think there is a top striker waiting to get out.
However, 26 million is an awful lot of money to pay for anyone, and for me he has to start scoring soon, or he will end up another Torres / Carroll. This, coupled with 30 odd mill for Lamela represents 56 million on 2 players who are struggling big time.
For me, the question should be : Baldini - 45 grand a week dud ? If Levy were a CEO in business, surely he would have been given the dreaded vote of confidence by now, for some of his decision making has been terrible. When will he ever learn that you have to let the manager make his own decisions over which players he wants.
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I have tried to give Soldado the benefit of the doubt due to the fact that he has scored all of his penalties, most of which were under a lot of pressure at the time, and something that none of our other strikers have done with any consistency. That, coupled with his nice touches and assists has made me think there is a top striker waiting to get out.
However, 26 million is an awful lot of money to pay for anyone, and for me he has to start scoring soon, or he will end up another Torres / Carroll. This, coupled with 30 odd mill for Lamela represents 56 million on 2 players who are struggling big time.
For me, the question should be : Baldini - 45 grand a week dud ? If Levy were a CEO in business, surely he would have been given the dreaded vote of confidence by now, for some of his decision making has been terrible. When will he ever learn that you have to let the manager make his own decisions over which players he wants.
RSS, Whilst I agree with some of your post there are some points that I disagree with: Namely (1) Lamela is only 21 years old, speaks little or no English and has a 30 mill Pound price tag on his head, one can only imagine the pressure the KID must be under, he is undoubtedly a massive talent with a big future, and he needs to be given time. :nods: :nods: :nods: (2) Soldado, I have made my opinions on him very clear in previous topics, unfortunately AVB chose to play him as a lone striker(you have to realize he is 5'10" tall and has pretty much always operated with another strike partner) and because of the lack of help his confidence is at an all time low, we are now starting to see his true qualities since TS has partnered him with Ade, you have to agree that there has been a definite improvement, you do not become a bad player overnite, he is a quality striker and I feel sure that we will start to see that sooner rather than later. :nods: :nods: :nods: :nods:
With regards to Baldini and Levy, yes there is an element of truth in what you say and I think it will only be a matter of time before some serious questions are asked of the two of them. We will see. :-\ :-\ :-\
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I have tried to give Soldado the benefit of the doubt due to the fact that he has scored all of his penalties, most of which were under a lot of pressure at the time, and something that none of our other strikers have done with any consistency. That, coupled with his nice touches and assists has made me think there is a top striker waiting to get out.
However, 26 million is an awful lot of money to pay for anyone, and for me he has to start scoring soon, or he will end up another Torres / Carroll. This, coupled with 30 odd mill for Lamela represents 56 million on 2 players who are struggling big time.
For me, the question should be : Baldini - 45 grand a week dud ? If Levy were a CEO in business, surely he would have been given the dreaded vote of confidence by now, for some of his decision making has been terrible. When will he ever learn that you have to let the manager make his own decisions over which players he wants.
RSS, Whilst I agree with some of your post there are some points that I disagree with: Namely (1) Lamela is only 21 years old, speaks little or no English and has a 30 mill Pound price tag on his head, one can only imagine the pressure the KID must be under, he is undoubtedly a massive talent with a big future, and he needs to be given time. :nods: :nods: :nods: (2) Soldado, I have made my opinions on him very clear in previous topics, unfortunately AVB chose to play him as a lone striker(you have to realize he is 5'10" tall and has pretty much always operated with another strike partner) and because of the lack of help his confidence is at an all time low, we are now starting to see his true qualities since TS has partnered him with Ade, you have to agree that there has been a definite improvement, you do not become a bad player overnite, he is a quality striker and I feel sure that we will start to see that sooner rather than later. :nods: :nods: :nods: :nods:
With regards to Baldini and Levy, yes there is an element of truth in what you say and I think it will only be a matter of time before some serious questions are asked of the two of them. We will see. :-\ :-\ :-\
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Exactly - So why did not AVB / Baldini / Levy think about these points before splashing out 56 million ? Unless AVB was lied to regarding which players he could have to play his method of football ? In which case my feelings about the latter two are probably justified. As for Soldado's definite improvement, I am not sure what you mean, as he still hasn't scored a goal.
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Oh please excuse me Voice, but I thought that this topic was named " SOLDADO - 26 million pound dud" , but obviously I am mistaken!! :-[ :-[ :-[
Of course it is about Soldado, but that has many connotations; which leads to other paths. You will find everything said on this thread leads to Soldado's door.
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I have tried to give Soldado the benefit of the doubt due to the fact that he has scored all of his penalties, most of which were under a lot of pressure at the time, and something that none of our other strikers have done with any consistency. That, coupled with his nice touches and assists has made me think there is a top striker waiting to get out.
However, 26 million is an awful lot of money to pay for anyone, and for me he has to start scoring soon, or he will end up another Torres / Carroll. This, coupled with 30 odd mill for Lamela represents 56 million on 2 players who are struggling big time.
For me, the question should be : Baldini - 45 grand a week dud ? If Levy were a CEO in business, surely he would have been given the dreaded vote of confidence by now, for some of his decision making has been terrible. When will he ever learn that you have to let the manager make his own decisions over which players he wants.
Soldado is working well with Ado and so long as we are winning we should give him a bit longer.
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I have tried to give Soldado the benefit of the doubt due to the fact that he has scored all of his penalties, most of which were under a lot of pressure at the time, and something that none of our other strikers have done with any consistency. That, coupled with his nice touches and assists has made me think there is a top striker waiting to get out.
However, 26 million is an awful lot of money to pay for anyone, and for me he has to start scoring soon, or he will end up another Torres / Carroll. This, coupled with 30 odd mill for Lamela represents 56 million on 2 players who are struggling big time.
For me, the question should be : Baldini - 45 grand a week dud ? If Levy were a CEO in business, surely he would have been given the dreaded vote of confidence by now, for some of his decision making has been terrible. When will he ever learn that you have to let the manager make his own decisions over which players he wants.
Soldado is working well with Ado and so long as we are winning we should give him a bit longer.
I agree with Paul, the two are playing well together and seem to be forming a good partnership, regardless which one scores, if the team effort, work rate and attitude is right and we win the game then fine, Soldado has struggled infront of goal but generally that was down to him being isolated, playing a lone striker was not his way of playing, and the way AVB set the team out we were so cramped in midfield had very little width and when we did play wingers they cut inside to much.
Now Soldado can hang around the box or make runs of Ade, he is showing signs of the goal scorer we expect and know him to be, I think after a few more games he will start hitting the net and then confidence and quality will do the rest, we just have to be patient.
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I have tried to give Soldado the benefit of the doubt due to the fact that he has scored all of his penalties, most of which were under a lot of pressure at the time, and something that none of our other strikers have done with any consistency. That, coupled with his nice touches and assists has made me think there is a top striker waiting to get out.
However, 26 million is an awful lot of money to pay for anyone, and for me he has to start scoring soon, or he will end up another Torres / Carroll. This, coupled with 30 odd mill for Lamela represents 56 million on 2 players who are struggling big time.
For me, the question should be : Baldini - 45 grand a week dud ? If Levy were a CEO in business, surely he would have been given the dreaded vote of confidence by now, for some of his decision making has been terrible. When will he ever learn that you have to let the manager make his own decisions over which players he wants.
Soldado is working well with Ado and so long as we are winning we should give him a bit longer.
I agree with Paul, the two are playing well together and seem to be forming a good partnership, regardless which one scores, if the team effort, work rate and attitude is right and we win the game then fine, Soldado has struggled infront of goal but generally that was down to him being isolated, playing a lone striker was not his way of playing, and the way AVB set the team out we were so cramped in midfield had very little width and when we did play wingers they cut inside to much.
Now Soldado can hang around the box or make runs of Ade, he is showing signs of the goal scorer we expect and know him to be, I think after a few more games he will start hitting the net and then confidence and quality will do the rest, we just have to be patient.
Isn't that what I said?
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I have tried to give Soldado the benefit of the doubt due to the fact that he has scored all of his penalties, most of which were under a lot of pressure at the time, and something that none of our other strikers have done with any consistency. That, coupled with his nice touches and assists has made me think there is a top striker waiting to get out.
However, 26 million is an awful lot of money to pay for anyone, and for me he has to start scoring soon, or he will end up another Torres / Carroll. This, coupled with 30 odd mill for Lamela represents 56 million on 2 players who are struggling big time.
For me, the question should be : Baldini - 45 grand a week dud ? If Levy were a CEO in business, surely he would have been given the dreaded vote of confidence by now, for some of his decision making has been terrible. When will he ever learn that you have to let the manager make his own decisions over which players he wants.
Soldado is working well with Ado and so long as we are winning we should give him a bit longer.
I agree with Paul, the two are playing well together and seem to be forming a good partnership, regardless which one scores, if the team effort, work rate and attitude is right and we win the game then fine, Soldado has struggled infront of goal but generally that was down to him being isolated, playing a lone striker was not his way of playing, and the way AVB set the team out we were so cramped in midfield had very little width and when we did play wingers they cut inside to much.
Now Soldado can hang around the box or make runs of Ade, he is showing signs of the goal scorer we expect and know him to be, I think after a few more games he will start hitting the net and then confidence and quality will do the rest, we just have to be patient.
Isn't that what I said?
No !
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Why all the personal bickering again, lads? :(
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Why all the personal bickering again, lads? :(
Its that type of thing that wrecks threads, voice it is not a competition as to who said what and who is right!
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I have tried to give Soldado the benefit of the doubt due to the fact that he has scored all of his penalties, most of which were under a lot of pressure at the time, and something that none of our other strikers have done with any consistency. That, coupled with his nice touches and assists has made me think there is a top striker waiting to get out.
However, 26 million is an awful lot of money to pay for anyone, and for me he has to start scoring soon, or he will end up another Torres / Carroll. This, coupled with 30 odd mill for Lamela represents 56 million on 2 players who are struggling big time.
For me, the question should be : Baldini - 45 grand a week dud ? If Levy were a CEO in business, surely he would have been given the dreaded vote of confidence by now, for some of his decision making has been terrible. When will he ever learn that you have to let the manager make his own decisions over which players he wants.
RSS, Whilst I agree with some of your post there are some points that I disagree with: Namely (1) Lamela is only 21 years old, speaks little or no English and has a 30 mill Pound price tag on his head, one can only imagine the pressure the KID must be under, he is undoubtedly a massive talent with a big future, and he needs to be given time. :nods: :nods: :nods: (2) Soldado, I have made my opinions on him very clear in previous topics, unfortunately AVB chose to play him as a lone striker(you have to realize he is 5'10" tall and has pretty much always operated with another strike partner) and because of the lack of help his confidence is at an all time low, we are now starting to see his true qualities since TS has partnered him with Ade, you have to agree that there has been a definite improvement, you do not become a bad player overnite, he is a quality striker and I feel sure that we will start to see that sooner rather than later. :nods: :nods: :nods: :nods:
With regards to Baldini and Levy, yes there is an element of truth in what you say and I think it will only be a matter of time before some serious questions are asked of the two of them. We will see. :-\ :-\ :-\
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Exactly - So why did not AVB / Baldini / Levy think about these points before splashing out 56 million ? Unless AVB was lied to regarding which players he could have to play his method of football ? In which case my feelings about the latter two are probably justified. As for Soldado's definite improvement, I am not sure what you mean, as he still hasn't scored a goal.
RSS, The point that I am trying to make regarding Soldado's improvement is that since he has been partnered with Ade, the two of them are definitely linking up well, you are quite right, Soldado hasn't scored yet! but he has had a few chances, and as I said his confidence is really low, I think it is just a matter of time before he gets the monkey off his back. At least I hope it is, no, I know it is only a matter of time!!!!!!!!!! :ohyeah: :ohyeah: Be Patient my friend, be patient. :nods: :nods:
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I agree that Soldado and Ado are working well up front together. Soldado might not be scoring, but he is contributing to the goals. Give him time and he will break his duck.
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I really hope he'll start scoring before it's too late to save our season.
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I really hope he'll start scoring before it's too late to save our season.
He's an experienced striker so he should do. He's just been unlucky.
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I fink we should send that Goreth Boil on loan to Nottingham Forrest - he's an absolute flop! He's been here 3 months and he's done nothing...NOTHING!!! :2funny:
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I really hope he'll start scoring before it's too late to save our season.
He's an experienced striker so he should do. He's just been unlucky.
So were Andrey Shevchenko and Fernando Morientes.
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I really hope he'll start scoring before it's too late to save our season.
He's an experienced striker so he should do. He's just been unlucky.
So were Andrey Shevchenko and Fernando Morientes.
True, but in our case I hope it isn't the same.
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I really hope he'll start scoring before it's too late to save our season.
He's an experienced striker so he should do. He's just been unlucky.
So were Andrey Shevchenko and Fernando Morientes.
Good point Riff - very worrying as both are/were better than Soldado in the first place IMO.
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Rumors are still rife that Berbatoss may come back to WHL, much as I hate him and in the past have stated I never want to see him in a Spurs shirt again I have this season changed my mind.
I think he would be the ideal strike partner to kick start Soldado and they would work very well together, so in short I would make use of Berbatoss and when its job done bye bye, looking to the greater good which is THFC making the most of this season!
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Rumors are still rife that Berbatoss may come back to WHL, much as I hate him and in the past have stated I never want to see him in a Spurs shirt again I have this season changed my mind.
I think he would be the ideal strike partner to kick start Soldado and they would work very well together, so in short I would make use of Berbatoss and when its job done bye bye, looking to the greater good which is THFC making the most of this season!
At the moment I think Adebayor has the same qualities as Berbatov and his work-rate is much better.
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The thought of Berbatoos returning to the club would give me sleepless nights. I hope these rumours are totally unfounded
:tickedoff: :tickedoff: :tickedoff: :tickedoff: :tickedoff:
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Rumors are still rife that Berbatoss may come back to WHL, much as I hate him and in the past have stated I never want to see him in a Spurs shirt again I have this season changed my mind.
I think he would be the ideal strike partner to kick start Soldado and they would work very well together, so in short I would make use of Berbatoss and when its job done bye bye, looking to the greater good which is THFC making the most of this season!
At the moment I think Adebayor has the same qualities as Berbatov and his work-rate is much better.
I would agree Riff but what has to be considered is that Defoe is on his way and we need a quality replacement. There is no question regarding Berbatoss and his talent, just a shame he is a utter :tossa:. I would be happy to use him for the greater good. Then ship him off at a profit :up:
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Rumors are still rife that Berbatoss may come back to WHL, much as I hate him and in the past have stated I never want to see him in a Spurs shirt again I have this season changed my mind.
I think he would be the ideal strike partner to kick start Soldado and they would work very well together, so in short I would make use of Berbatoss and when its job done bye bye, looking to the greater good which is THFC making the most of this season!
At the moment I think Adebayor has the same qualities as Berbatov and his work-rate is much better.
I would agree Riff but what has to be considered is that Defoe is on his way and we need a quality replacement. There is no question regarding Berbatoss and his talent, just a shame he is a utter :tossa:. I would be happy to use him for the greater good. Then ship him off at a profit :up:
No.no.no,no,no. Just NO!!!! Work-shy tosser who only cares about himself. NO!!!
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Rumors are still rife that Berbatoss may come back to WHL, much as I hate him and in the past have stated I never want to see him in a Spurs shirt again I have this season changed my mind.
I think he would be the ideal strike partner to kick start Soldado and they would work very well together, so in short I would make use of Berbatoss and when its job done bye bye, looking to the greater good which is THFC making the most of this season!
At the moment I think Adebayor has the same qualities as Berbatov and his work-rate is much better.
I would agree Riff but what has to be considered is that Defoe is on his way and we need a quality replacement. There is no question regarding Berbatoss and his talent, just a shame he is a utter :tossa:. I would be happy to use him for the greater good. Then ship him off at a profit :up:
No.no.no,no,no. Just NO!!!! Work-shy tosser who only cares about himself. NO!!!
Yes he is work shy. I recently saw him play at Fulham (against Spurs) and even the Fulham supporters were criticising him. However, he could be used as a sub and limit his time on the grass. That will solve his problem.
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The thought of Berbatoos returning to the club would give me sleepless nights. I hope these rumours are totally unfounded
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I had a nightmare last night. We had signed Berbatoss in part exchange for Adebayor!! :2funny:
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The thought of Berbatoos returning to the club would give me sleepless nights. I hope these rumours are totally unfounded
:tickedoff: :tickedoff: :tickedoff: :tickedoff: :tickedoff:
I had a nightmare last night. We had signed Berbatoss in part exchange for Adebayor!! :2funny:
Dam Joolz, a dream like that is enough to force the loss of bladder control lol
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Rumors are still rife that Berbatoss may come back to WHL, much as I hate him and in the past have stated I never want to see him in a Spurs shirt again I have this season changed my mind.
I think he would be the ideal strike partner to kick start Soldado and they would work very well together, so in short I would make use of Berbatoss and when its job done bye bye, looking to the greater good which is THFC making the most of this season!
At the moment I think Adebayor has the same qualities as Berbatov and his work-rate is much better.
I would agree Riff but what has to be considered is that Defoe is on his way and we need a quality replacement. There is no question regarding Berbatoss and his talent, just a shame he is a utter :tossa: . I would be happy to use him for the greater good. Then ship him off at a profit :up:
No.no.no,no,no. Just NO!!!! Work-shy tosser who only cares about himself. NO!!!
Yes he is work shy. I recently saw him play at Fulham (against Spurs) and even the Fulham supporters were criticising him. However, he could be used as a sub and limit his time on the grass. That will solve his problem.
No, he'd just start sulking. f**king :tossa:.
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The thought of Berbatoos returning to the club would give me sleepless nights. I hope these rumours are totally unfounded
:tickedoff: :tickedoff: :tickedoff: :tickedoff: :tickedoff:
I had a nightmare last night. We had signed Berbatoss in part exchange for Adebayor!! :2funny:
How about they sign him, not as a replacement for Adebayor, but as an extra? That is what Levy is supposed to want. :'(
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Well with each game that passes I am loosing more and more faith in Soldado, I am really starting to think we have wasted 26mil or he will be a player that will take a season to adapt to the EPL.
If that is the case and Spurs being Spurs will expect to see value for their 26mil striker I wouldnt expect to see him here next season.
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(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-8MUXEgtjgG4/UAQgftSJztI/AAAAAAAAAbs/04wwDXD_UlE/s320/rebrov_997887c.jpg)
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Well with each game that passes I am loosing more and more faith in Soldado, I am really starting to think we have wasted 26mil or he will be a player that will take a season to adapt to the EPL.
If that is the case and Spurs being Spurs will expect to see value for their 26mil striker I wouldnt expect to see him here next season.
At first I was willing to give him some slack but I like you have had enough, you compare him to Shane long for Hull today, chased every forward ball even loss causes, gave our defence a torrid time, that is the kind of player we need not Soldado!, get the hell off the pitch and away from WHL, you dont deserve to where the shirt, garbage utter garbage, 26m full of well I cant say on here!, Ive seen more desire from my wife kicking a football than him and thats saying something. :tickedoff: :'( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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Just to cheer a few of you up :2funny: :hide:
ROBERTO SOLDADO | Goals, Skills, Assists | Valencia | 2012/2013 (HD) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBHnymaOBe4#)
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Just to cheer a few of you up :2funny: :hide:
ROBERTO SOLDADO | Goals, Skills, Assists | Valencia | 2012/2013 (HD) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBHnymaOBe4#)
Impressive video no doubt what Levy saw before paying 26mil, did we get sold a cheap clone?
But seriously the Spanish league is far less physical than the EPL and Soldado would never be afforded the amount of room in the EPL as he has in that video unless the team work with him to make it, there is also the question of service.
I dont think Soldado is an EPL type of striker either that or he is still settling, we may see a different striker next season if he is still with us, which is unlikely as I am sure he is probably regretting the move as much as the Spurs board are!
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The more I watch him play, the more I think he is Fernando Morientes / Andriy Shevchenko MKII - a great player for his club in Spain or Italy, but not capable to cut it in England. Sad really, but that's football.
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Just to cheer a few of you up :2funny: :hide:
ROBERTO SOLDADO | Goals, Skills, Assists | Valencia | 2012/2013 (HD) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBHnymaOBe4#)
I have just finished watching this Video clip, and I am yet to be convinced that Soldado is a Dud, the one difference between this Video clip and his present form is that most of the passes that led to the majority of the goals were played very early into his preferred right foot allowing him to hit the ball early, which gives the defender little or no chance, something that no-one in our team seems able to reciprocate. This video just re-affirms what I have constantly said, he is a proven quality striker who needs GOOD SERVICE, which unfortunately up until now we have not been able to provide. So to those of you who are labeling him a DUD, I say GET OFF HIS BACK. Maybe we should start having a go at the Midfield players who seem incapable of giving him some decent service.
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Well with each game that passes I am loosing more and more faith in Soldado, I am really starting to think we have wasted 26mil or he will be a player that will take a season to adapt to the EPL.
If that is the case and Spurs being Spurs will expect to see value for their 26mil striker I wouldnt expect to see him here next season.
At first I was willing to give him some slack but I like you have had enough, you compare him to Shane long for Hull today, chased every forward ball even loss causes, gave our defence a torrid time, that is the kind of player we need not Soldado!, get the hell off the pitch and away from WHL, you dont deserve to where the shirt, garbage utter garbage, 26m full of well I cant say on here!, Ive seen more desire from my wife kicking a football than him and thats saying something. :tickedoff: :'( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Blackjack, When Soldado first signed he chased everything, but to no avail. This was Shane Long's first game for Hull, so do you not think he was trying to impress the Coach? Give him 6 games without getting some decent service, and???? do you get my point?
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Sherwood said that he as faith in Soldado (still). OK, but he has to start scoring. I did say that we should give him time at the beginning of the season; but the question now is how long do we give him?
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Thing is we have to continue with Soldado as we only have 2 senior strikers left! Zero options really other than to gradually give Kane some game time but without expectation!
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Thing is we have to continue with Soldado as we only have 2 senior strikers left! Zero options really other than to gradually give Kane some game time but without expectation!
Agreed; but I am hoping that he comes good by the end of the season. All he needs is a couple of good goals and off he will go (hopefully!) :up:
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Thing is we have to continue with Soldado as we only have 2 senior strikers left! Zero options really other than to gradually give Kane some game time but without expectation!
Agreed; but I am hoping that he comes good by the end of the season. All he needs is a couple of good goals and off he will go (hopefully!) :up:
He needs the service to get the goals, agreed once he starts scoring his confidence will improve no doubt but to date service has been poor and then when he has had a few opportunities due to confidence pressure etc he has stuffed them!
This season sure is a nail biter !
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He has been getting some service lately but he is rushing snapping at shots, he isn't even hitting the target, the most depressing thing is you have to make your own luck, he is far to static in the box, compare him to how adebayor is playing, if he was playing half as well as him I would be happy!, as for Shane Long, yes it was his first game for his nee club but that should make no difference, Soldado came with a high price and was bought to do a job, I understand confidence is low but he should be busting a gut to put t :(hat right instead he mulls around like Berbatov did, if he isn't getting the ball he should do whatever it takes to get into the game.
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He has been getting some service lately but he is rushing snapping at shots, he isn't even hitting the target, the most depressing thing is you have to make your own luck, he is far to static in the box, compare him to how adebayor is playing, if he was playing half as well as him I would be happy!, as for Shane Long, yes it was his first game for his nee club but that should make no difference, Soldado came with a high price and was bought to do a job, I understand confidence is low but he should be busting a gut to put t :(hat right instead he mulls around like Berbatov did, if he isn't getting the ball he should do whatever it takes to get into the game.
Blackjack, I agree to a point with what you say, but surely the onus is on the coaching staff as well as the midfield players to realize that in order for Spurs and the Team to get the best out of him that they need to deliver the ball to Soldado 1) in the right place and 2) early for him to run on to, once he regains his confidence believe me we will start to see the Soldado that is on that video clip, of that I am sure. :up: :up: :up: :up:
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Do you want some service? :2funny:
(http://www.randolphcounty.us/files/rc/imagecache/full_width/county_service_please.jpg)
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Now that is Funny Southend, Very Clever. :2funny: :2funny: :2funny:
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Well I think we should be playing Defoe while we still can
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Well I think we should be playing Defoe while we still can
Only as a sub. We have to persevere with Soldado unless we want him to lose all his confidence. For me he has till the end of the season. :up:
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He has been getting some service lately but he is rushing snapping at shots, he isn't even hitting the target, the most depressing thing is you have to make your own luck, he is far to static in the box, compare him to how adebayor is playing, if he was playing half as well as him I would be happy!, as for Shane Long, yes it was his first game for his nee club but that should make no difference, Soldado came with a high price and was bought to do a job, I understand confidence is low but he should be busting a gut to put t :(hat right instead he mulls around like Berbatov did, if he isn't getting the ball he should do whatever it takes to get into the game.
Blackjack, I agree to a point with what you say, but surely the onus is on the coaching staff as well as the midfield players to realize that in order for Spurs and the Team to get the best out of him that they need to deliver the ball to Soldado 1) in the right place and 2) early for him to run on to, once he regains his confidence believe me we will start to see the Soldado that is on that video clip, of that I am sure. :up: :up: :up: :up:
I agree with the coaching staff helping him more and the midfield but I think he should be talking to them to tell them where he wants the ball played, if you watch him closely lately he is standing still to much when marked and playing out wide to ofton, he has been played in a few times but his concentration is just not there, he seems to me to be waiting for that perfect chance instead of making things happen, what would help immensely is if we broke out quicker and did not rely to much on back tracking when we reach the final third, this is where were missing Townsend at the moment as he would get the ball and drive forward. Lennon is reluctant to stay out wide, instead go wandering, because we seem to slow when we get to the final third we allow our opposition time to get back and cover, then we are lost Soldado does not seem to make the same runs Defoe did and at least with him he would 99% of the time hit the target, he is going to be really missed soon.
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Well I think we should be playing Defoe while we still can
I don't see the point unless we've got injury. We need to embed both Ado and Soldaldo and playing Defoe isn't going to help his cause. Besides; he will be gone in a couple of weeks.
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Well I think we should be playing Defoe while we still can
I don't see the point unless we've got injury. We need to embed both Ado and Soldaldo and playing Defoe isn't going to help his cause. Besides; he will be gone in a couple of weeks.
He may be going but we should at least bring him on every game as he has the ability to change games, we need the points, we cant afford to let Pool get to far in front as the games will start running out, I dont like Soldado but if the manager is going to keep playing him to try and get his form going he should at least bring on Defoe for the second half or last half hour if we need a goal, otherwise we might just as well let him go now as we have Harry Kane as back up.
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Well I think we should be playing Defoe while we still can
I don't see the point unless we've got injury. We need to embed both Ado and Soldaldo and playing Defoe isn't going to help his cause. Besides; he will be gone in a couple of weeks.
He may be going but we should at least bring him on every game as he has the ability to change games, we need the points, we cant afford to let Pool get to far in front as the games will start running out, I dont like Soldado but if the manager is going to keep playing him to try and get his form going he should at least bring on Defoe for the second half or last half hour if we need a goal, otherwise we might just as well let him go now as we have Harry Kane as back up.
I'm in agreement with Blackjack. At least Defoe looks dangerous when he plays, and offers some movement to our otherwise static attack. We really should have made more effort to bring in a direct replacement for Defoe. There you go.
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I'm in agreement with Blackjack. At least Defoe looks dangerous when he plays, and offers some movement to our otherwise static attack. We really should have made more effort to bring in a direct replacement for Defoe. There you go.
Why we never did does seem strange and a huge gamble, I personally think we will fall short of the CPL , Pool are flying and they have the two of the most potent strikers in the league who are bang in form!, the secret to there success is simular to our side that qualified a few years back... PACE GOING FORWARD, they have wingers with real pace so once clear they dont get caught giving there strikers plenty to feed from, Soldado plays on the shoulder of the last defender but lacks real pace to pull away, Defoe had it, we need another big striker like Lakaku, Ba, someone with physical presence and pace. :)
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I'm really disappointed that Soldado has proven me right.
I was hoping that my initial fears about him were unfounded when I started this thread but again Spurs have paid well over the top for a mediocre player.
Will Levy ever learn???
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I'm really disappointed that Soldado has proven me right.
I was hoping that my initial fears about him were unfounded when I started this thread but again Spurs have paid well over the top for a mediocre player.
Will Levy ever learn???
I share you concerns, however, there is still time for him to suddenly turn it around. Sherwood still have faith in him (if that is saying anything?).
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I'm really disappointed that Soldado has proven me right.
I was hoping that my initial fears about him were unfounded when I started this thread but again Spurs have paid well over the top for a mediocre player.
Will Levy ever learn???
Although he is not performing as we had hoped on past performances in Laliga he was far from Mediocre and that is what warranted his price tag.
For me there are many contributing factors both on the field and off as to why Soldado has not delivered as we hoped and expected.
We still have someway to go in this campaign and our striking department is a huge concern, its impossible to second guess how this season will pan out for Soldado. One thing is proven in him we have a solid penalty taker something that in seasons past we have been lacking, hopefully the rest of his game will come together but I am not confident this season.
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Penalty taking is not good enough for me, if he is as good as the price we paid for him then now is the time to step up, personally I don't think he will, a really good striker will score in whatever team he plays in.
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Interesting to see Soldado not getting any game time VS Everton. Totally understand that Defoe needed to appear for his last game for us and I wish him all the best!
He is now just 1 of our only 2 senior strikers so he will get opportunities by default.
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Interesting to see Soldado not getting any game time VS Everton. Totally understand that Defoe needed to appear for his last game for us and I wish him all the best!
He is now just 1 of our only 2 senior strikers so he will get opportunities by default.
Actually it is not Defoe's last game; it was the last league home game. He goes at the end of the month so we might still see him in the Europa League at White Hart Lane.
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I think this season is a write off for Soldado and perhaps his only one for Spurs!
Terrible miss tonight sums up his form for us and where he is right now!
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I think this season is a write off for Soldado and perhaps his only one for Spurs!
Terrible miss tonight sums up his form for us and where he is right now!
I've got to agree there; I was expecting to see him do his best to get back to first team football and he blew it.
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I think this season is a write off for Soldado and perhaps his only one for Spurs!
Terrible miss tonight sums up his form for us and where he is right now!
I've got to agree there; I was expecting to see him do his best to get back to first team football and he blew it.
I think he doesnt want to be in England or THFC anymore just an opinion, its been a bad year both on and off teh pitch for him since his move. I have little doubt as each game passes that we will ship him out at the end of the season for a whacking loss if things dont rapidly improve and TBH on recent performances he doesnt warrant a starting place so I think his chances are going to be very few and far between.
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That's it, now I've finally lost any confidence that Soldado could actually find his form. Thanks for nothing and good-bye.
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Well I suppose it was Soldado's fault that we lost, had nothing to do with Vertonghen fouling Mattheus, or the fact that both full-backs were taken to the cleaners and made to look exactly what they are, in-adequate, on many occasions, I might add we were lucky not to have given away 2, yes 2 more penalties, but Soldado missed a sitter, so lets stick the knife into him, I have said so many times, playing Soldado as a lone striker DOESN'T work, :nope: :nope: especially at the moment when he is so out of form, last year you all wanted to get rid of Ade and Defoe when they were struggling, :nods: :nods: now that Defoe has been sold so many of you are asking why, I said last season that Ade would come good :up: :up:, and most of you scoffed at me, those same people are now singing his praises, what a fickle bunch you are!!! >:( >:(
Believe me, you DO NOT become a BAD PLAYER overnight, and I just hope that we keep him, because I know that he WILL come good and prove the doubters WRONG. :ohyeah: :ohyeah: :ohyeah:
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Well I suppose it was Soldado's fault that we lost, had nothing to do with Vertonghen fouling Mattheus, or the fact that both full-backs were taken to the cleaners and made to look exactly what they are, in-adequate, on many occasions, I might add we were lucky not to have given away 2, yes 2 more penalties, but Soldado missed a sitter, so lets stick the knife into him, I have said so many times, playing Soldado as a lone striker DOESN'T work, :nope: :nope: especially at the moment when he is so out of form, last year you all wanted to get rid of Ade and Defoe when they were struggling, :nods: :nods: now that Defoe has been sold so many of you are asking why, I said last season that Ade would come good :up: :up:, and most of you scoffed at me, those same people are now singing his praises, what a fickle bunch you are!!! >:( >:(
Believe me, you DO NOT become a BAD PLAYER overnight, and I just hope that we keep him, because I know that he WILL come good and prove the doubters WRONG. :ohyeah: :ohyeah: :ohyeah:
Fair points PF, Ref Defoe as we move forward as a club he was always going to be sold, mid season with our current situation perhaps not the best timing though.
Ade, he always seems to turn it around when given the opportunity and considering his bad time of the pitch over the past year I dont think anyone can now criticise Ade regarding how he has applied himself or his contributions since given his chance.
Soldado I have said before I think he may take a season to settle, but will he be afforded that time is a big question and Levy being Levy your guess is as good as mine. Everyone can see he is not best suited to playing as a lone striker and I am just wondering if he really wants to be here after such a torrid time on and off the pitch.
He did miss a sitter last night and overall we were crap across the whole pitch but of course Soldado will be singled out due to his price tag and current ongoing failings with the team.
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Well I suppose it was Soldado's fault that we lost, had nothing to do with Vertonghen fouling Mattheus, or the fact that both full-backs were taken to the cleaners and made to look exactly what they are, in-adequate, on many occasions, I might add we were lucky not to have given away 2, yes 2 more penalties, but Soldado missed a sitter, so lets stick the knife into him, I have said so many times, playing Soldado as a lone striker DOESN'T work, :nope: :nope: especially at the moment when he is so out of form, last year you all wanted to get rid of Ade and Defoe when they were struggling, :nods: :nods: now that Defoe has been sold so many of you are asking why, I said last season that Ade would come good :up: :up: , and most of you scoffed at me, those same people are now singing his praises, what a fickle bunch you are!!! >:( >:(
Believe me, you DO NOT become a BAD PLAYER overnight, and I just hope that we keep him, because I know that he WILL come good and prove the doubters WRONG. :ohyeah: :ohyeah: :ohyeah:
This thread is about Soldado, isn't it? Why should we discuss Vertonghen's errors here?
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I am not defending Soldado, but didn't Sherwood blame the pitch and not the player? No doubt the pitch will be a lot better at White Hart Lane, in which there will be nobody to blame other than the players.
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The pitch certainly had a hand in Soldado's miss and apart from that he played pretty well last night. His confidence is shot and our former Chairman calling him a donkey wont help with that. He just needs one to bounce in off his arse to give him a bit of a lift and then he might start firing. He is taking time to settle as are a few of our new buys but we need to be patient. I'd hate to see all the new players sold and have to start from scratch again next season with another lot of unproven ones.
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It was soldado who missed the sitter so yes he has to take some blame for that, the whole match was a shambles for us and that is down to the hole team!, Soldado is no good at playing upfront on his own that is plainly obvious!, so thats down to the manager to help him out, BUT! Soldado needs to get involved in the game more, really good strikers make there own luck!, He is playing well below par so it is up to him to talk to the manager and tell him exactly how he wants to play, not just wait and wait for things to happen on the pitch.
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Well I suppose it was Soldado's fault that we lost, had nothing to do with Vertonghen fouling Mattheus, or the fact that both full-backs were taken to the cleaners and made to look exactly what they are, in-adequate, on many occasions, I might add we were lucky not to have given away 2, yes 2 more penalties, but Soldado missed a sitter, so lets stick the knife into him, I have said so many times, playing Soldado as a lone striker DOESN'T work, :nope: :nope: especially at the moment when he is so out of form, last year you all wanted to get rid of Ade and Defoe when they were struggling, :nods: :nods: now that Defoe has been sold so many of you are asking why, I said last season that Ade would come good :up: :up: , and most of you scoffed at me, those same people are now singing his praises, what a fickle bunch you are!!! >:( >:(
Believe me, you DO NOT become a BAD PLAYER overnight, and I just hope that we keep him, because I know that he WILL come good and prove the doubters WRONG. :ohyeah: :ohyeah: :ohyeah:
This thread is about Soldado, isn't it? Why should we discuss Vertonghen's errors here?
Riff, You obviously didn't read ALL of my post did you, :nope: :nope: because had you have read it in its entirety you would not have made such a stupid comment. ;) ;)
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When he came on today vs Norwich, he looked right up for it, keen to prove his worth. His movement off the ball is very good, his first touch was a golden chance but he lashed at it.
I think we need to stick with 2 upfront and Soldado given more game time with Ade as they looked like they could be bloody lethal together, to late maybe for this season
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When he came on today vs Norwich, he looked right up for it, keen to prove his worth. His movement off the ball is very good, his first touch was a golden chance but he lashed at it.
I think we need to stick with 2 upfront and Soldado given more game time with Ade as they looked like they could be bloody lethal together, to late maybe for this season
That is interesting you say that; wasn't that the criticism directed against AVB? One up front? Either way; we started off with one, ended up with two and still lost. That isn't our problem.
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When he came on today vs Norwich, he looked right up for it, keen to prove his worth. His movement off the ball is very good, his first touch was a golden chance but he lashed at it.
I think we need to stick with 2 upfront and Soldado given more game time with Ade as they looked like they could be bloody lethal together, to late maybe for this season
That is interesting you say that; wasn't that the criticism directed against AVB? One up front? Either way; we started off with one, ended up with two and still lost. That isn't our problem.
How can you say that playing one up front isnt our problem, it is as when we have 1 up front our midfield is cramped they play flat. Did you watch the game and see how things changed for the better in our game play when we switched to 4-4-2 as we actually created chances!
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When he came on today vs Norwich, he looked right up for it, keen to prove his worth. His movement off the ball is very good, his first touch was a golden chance but he lashed at it.
I think we need to stick with 2 upfront and Soldado given more game time with Ade as they looked like they could be bloody lethal together, to late maybe for this season
That is interesting you say that; wasn't that the criticism directed against AVB? One up front? Either way; we started off with one, ended up with two and still lost. That isn't our problem.
How can you say that playing one up front isnt our problem, it is as when we have 1 up front our midfield is cramped they play flat. Did you watch the game and see how things changed for the better in our game play when we switched to 4-4-2 as we actually created chances!
I didn't say that playing one up front isn't the problem, the problem is the players for the system. We've used two up front and we still had problems.
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When he came on today vs Norwich, he looked right up for it, keen to prove his worth. His movement off the ball is very good, his first touch was a golden chance but he lashed at it.
I think we need to stick with 2 upfront and Soldado given more game time with Ade as they looked like they could be bloody lethal together, to late maybe for this season
That is interesting you say that; wasn't that the criticism directed against AVB? One up front? Either way; we started off with one, ended up with two and still lost. That isn't our problem.
How can you say that playing one up front isnt our problem, it is as when we have 1 up front our midfield is cramped they play flat. Did you watch the game and see how things changed for the better in our game play when we switched to 4-4-2 as we actually created chances!
I didn't say that playing one up front isn't the problem, the problem is the players for the system. We've used two up front and we still had problems.
Well your sentence construction ended with and stated "That isnt our problem" when the subject post was about 1 up front so how else is it to read!
Right Voice back up your last statement, what is our system and how are our players the problem and how can it be resolved, enlighten us all with your wisdom, maybe Tim Sherwood should read your response, if you choose to write one.
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When he came on today vs Norwich, he looked right up for it, keen to prove his worth. His movement off the ball is very good, his first touch was a golden chance but he lashed at it.
I think we need to stick with 2 upfront and Soldado given more game time with Ade as they looked like they could be bloody lethal together, to late maybe for this season
That is interesting you say that; wasn't that the criticism directed against AVB? One up front? Either way; we started off with one, ended up with two and still lost. That isn't our problem.
How can you say that playing one up front isnt our problem, it is as when we have 1 up front our midfield is cramped they play flat. Did you watch the game and see how things changed for the better in our game play when we switched to 4-4-2 as we actually created chances!
I didn't say that playing one up front isn't the problem, the problem is the players for the system. We've used two up front and we still had problems.
Well your sentence construction ended with and stated "That isnt our problem" when the subject post was about 1 up front so how else is it to read!
Right Voice back up your last statement, what is our system and how are our players the problem and how can it be resolved, enlighten us all with your wisdom, maybe Tim Sherwood should read your response, if you choose to write one.
The fact is that whether we play two up front or one and still lose (as Sherwood has used both, and even AVB has used two up front) then the players are not good enough? If I am wrong then what is the problem? Or if it isn't the players then it is the manager.
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When he came on today vs Norwich, he looked right up for it, keen to prove his worth. His movement off the ball is very good, his first touch was a golden chance but he lashed at it.
I think we need to stick with 2 upfront and Soldado given more game time with Ade as they looked like they could be bloody lethal together, to late maybe for this season
That is interesting you say that; wasn't that the criticism directed against AVB? One up front? Either way; we started off with one, ended up with two and still lost. That isn't our problem.
How can you say that playing one up front isnt our problem, it is as when we have 1 up front our midfield is cramped they play flat. Did you watch the game and see how things changed for the better in our game play when we switched to 4-4-2 as we actually created chances!
I didn't say that playing one up front isn't the problem, the problem is the players for the system. We've used two up front and we still had problems.
Well your sentence construction ended with and stated "That isnt our problem" when the subject post was about 1 up front so how else is it to read!
Right Voice back up your last statement, what is our system and how are our players the problem and how can it be resolved, enlighten us all with your wisdom, maybe Tim Sherwood should read your response, if you choose to write one.
The fact is that whether we play two up front or one and still lose (as Sherwood has used both, and even AVB has used two up front) then the players are not good enough? If I am wrong then what is the problem? Or if it isn't the players then it is the manager.
I dont care if you are wrong or right that means nothing to me, I have invited you to back up your statement be it with opinion, fact or assumption but back up the statement you made and suggest a solution it will open up more of a debate. :up:
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When he came on today vs Norwich, he looked right up for it, keen to prove his worth. His movement off the ball is very good, his first touch was a golden chance but he lashed at it.
I think we need to stick with 2 upfront and Soldado given more game time with Ade as they looked like they could be bloody lethal together, to late maybe for this season
That is interesting you say that; wasn't that the criticism directed against AVB? One up front? Either way; we started off with one, ended up with two and still lost. That isn't our problem.
How can you say that playing one up front isnt our problem, it is as when we have 1 up front our midfield is cramped they play flat. Did you watch the game and see how things changed for the better in our game play when we switched to 4-4-2 as we actually created chances!
I didn't say that playing one up front isn't the problem, the problem is the players for the system. We've used two up front and we still had problems.
Well your sentence construction ended with and stated "That isnt our problem" when the subject post was about 1 up front so how else is it to read!
Right Voice back up your last statement, what is our system and how are our players the problem and how can it be resolved, enlighten us all with your wisdom, maybe Tim Sherwood should read your response, if you choose to write one.
The fact is that whether we play two up front or one and still lose (as Sherwood has used both, and even AVB has used two up front) then the players are not good enough? If I am wrong then what is the problem? Or if it isn't the players then it is the manager.
I dont care if you are wrong or right that means nothing to me, I have invited you to back up your statement be it with opinion, fact or assumption but back up the statement you made and suggest a solution it will open up more of a debate. :up:
I suppose it all depends on how you read things, but I thought I did..... but hats of to opening up the debate. :up:
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I suppose it all depends on how you read things, but I thought I did..... but hats of to opening up the debate. :up:
Sorry Voice, but I don't get on here as much as I used to or would like. But to me it looks like you are up to your usual avoidance tricks. You are more than willing to tell others they are wrong, but when asked to clarify what you actually mean, you run off with your tail between your legs. Or at least that is how you appear, even if unintentionally.
Come Voice respond properly to Metal and say what you think at least. We may disagree with you, but we won't ridicule. You have said plenty of times you like to debate...now is your chance. ;) :up:
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"How can you say that playing one up front isnt our problem, it is as when we have 1 up front our midfield is cramped they play flat. Did you watch the game and see how things changed for the better in our game play when we switched to 4-4-2 as we actually created chances!"
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"The fact is that whether we play two up front or one and still lose (as Sherwood has used both, and even AVB has used two up front) then the players are not good enough? If I am wrong then what is the problem? Or if it isn't the players then it is the manager."
Metal, once again you are 100% correct, with only one up front our midfield becomes cramped to the point of getting in each others way, not only that, because we only have one up front, it allows the opposition to push two of their back four further forward, which effectively gives them 2 extra midfield players, which literally makes the midfield even more congested. There are times when playing one up front can be utilized, and that, in my opinion, is when we want to park the bus, ie. away to Liverpool or Chelsea or any of the top teams, because it will cramp their midfield, which can negate their creativity, but against teams that we expect to beat away from home we should be playing 2 strikers.
Voice, Once again you are using AVB as an example, this season the only times he employed 2 strikers, he used Defoe(5' 7") and Soldado(5'10"), probably 2 of the smallest strikers in the PL, that's why it didn't work! Tim Sherwood has employed both styles in his short tenure and this is the first time we have lost away from home in the PL under his tutelage. On the occasions that he has played 2 up front(Ade & Soldado) it has proved to be effective, probably due to the fact that Ade is 6'3" and is the target man, enabling him to lay off the ball.
With regards to your statement that the players are not good enough, there are some that are clearly not good enough, namely Naughton and Rose, but I think you are wrong to generalize, since AVB was Sacked you have been very critical of the appointment of TS, you clearly want to see him fail, and criticize him at every opportunity, personally I would like to see him given the opportunity to coach the team for the full 18 months that Levy has given him.
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I'm not so sure playing one up front is all of the problem, so long as he stays in the middle up front. Ade drifts all over the place because the service is so poor.
When playing one up front, it is vital to have a traditional number 10, like Erikssen, or for example Rooney/Bergkamp/Sherringham etc. Also we need effective wingers to get balls into the box, with attacking midfielders getting into the box.
On the odd occasion somebody delivers a good ball into the box and behind the defenders, there is nobody there.
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Agree with the 2 up front. In a game like yesterday's where they defended in numbers, we may have got a result, particularly if Eriksen had played instead of Bentaleb or at least had come on as a sub.
It seems like Sherwood is making the same mistakes with an overpopulated midfield and just the one up front chasing shadows. In fact, Norwich could have scored more in the last 10mn, when we threw the kitchen sink at them. Dawson had a nightmare and Rose is to blame for the goal. Too often out of position imo.
Something to look forward to on Thursday if we can win on our own turf before a 10 day break to gather our thoughts for the game v Cardiff which is a must win. :up:
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Agree with the 2 up front. In a game like yesterday's where they defended in numbers, we may have got a result, particularly if Eriksen had played instead of Bentaleb or at least had come on as a sub.
It seems like Sherwood is making the same mistakes with an overpopulated midfield and just the one up front chasing shadows. In fact, Norwich could have scored more in the last 10mn, when we threw the kitchen sink at them. Dawson had a nightmare and Rose is to blame for the goal. Too often out of position imo.
Something to look forward to on Thursday if we can win on our own turf before a 10 day break to gather our thoughts for the game v Cardiff which is a must win. :up:
Hhmm... we had a 10 day break before our trip to Ukraine, look what good that did us. We are so lacking in any kind of plan on the pitch that I don't actually think we will go through to the next round.
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Agree with the 2 up front. In a game like yesterday's where they defended in numbers, we may have got a result, particularly if Eriksen had played instead of Bentaleb or at least had come on as a sub.
It seems like Sherwood is making the same mistakes with an overpopulated midfield and just the one up front chasing shadows. In fact, Norwich could have scored more in the last 10mn, when we threw the kitchen sink at them. Dawson had a nightmare and Rose is to blame for the goal. Too often out of position imo.
Something to look forward to on Thursday if we can win on our own turf before a 10 day break to gather our thoughts for the game v Cardiff which is a must win. :up:
Hhmm... we had a 10 day break before our trip to Ukraine, look what good that did us. We are so lacking in any kind of plan on the pitch that I don't actually think we will go through to the next round.
This coming 10 day break follows a lost 3 points whereas the previous one followed several wins in succession. Not quite the same! True, we lacked a plan in both games and the pressure is mounting on Sherwood to remedy this.
To be frank, I think Sherwood looks a little laid back. He made a comment on TV before the game on Sunday when asked, what if we lost, to which he replied that "it wouldn't be the end of the world". He is right, but is it the kind of thing you want to hear? :nope:
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I suppose it all depends on how you read things, but I thought I did..... but hats of to opening up the debate. :up:
Sorry Voice, but I don't get on here as much as I used to or would like. But to me it looks like you are up to your usual avoidance tricks. You are more than willing to tell others they are wrong, but when asked to clarify what you actually mean, you run off with your tail between your legs. Or at least that is how you appear, even if unintentionally.
Come Voice respond properly to Metal and say what you think at least. We may disagree with you, but we won't ridicule. You have said plenty of times you like to debate...now is your chance. ;) :up:
If I haven't answered properly then I apologise. I've been busy working and answering on the quick; but no doubt you'll say that is no excuse.... and probably not.
What I probably should have done was blame the manager – as he organises the tactics – instead of pointing the finger at the players. In other words our problem is down the manager; they only do what they are told. If the players are not good enough why are they here?
By the way; I always answer meticulously, if you feel that I am avoiding or not answering you the way you want then you are welcome to come back at me. If you don’t then how do I know I’ve done wrong? I hope the above answer is satisfactory to you, if not then please come back and I will try again.
Paul Finch: I haven’t been critical of Sherwood being appointed, but I have been critical of the timing of AVB’s sacking. I thought Levy should have waited until the end of the season. It looks like we aren’t going to make 4th spot (but I hope I am wrong) under Sherwood so we would have been better to have stuck with AVB; would we have done any worse under AVB? We shall now never know.
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I suppose it all depends on how you read things, but I thought I did..... but hats of to opening up the debate. :up:
Sorry Voice, but I don't get on here as much as I used to or would like. But to me it looks like you are up to your usual avoidance tricks. You are more than willing to tell others they are wrong, but when asked to clarify what you actually mean, you run off with your tail between your legs. Or at least that is how you appear, even if unintentionally.
Come Voice respond properly to Metal and say what you think at least. We may disagree with you, but we won't ridicule. You have said plenty of times you like to debate...now is your chance. ;) :up:
If I haven't answered properly then I apologise. I've been busy working and answering on the quick; but no doubt you'll say that is no excuse.... and probably not.
What I probably should have done was blame the manager – as he organises the tactics – instead of pointing the finger at the players. In other words our problem is down the manager; they only do what they are told. If the players are not good enough why are they here?
By the way; I always answer meticulously, if you feel that I am avoiding or not answering you the way you want then you are welcome to come back at me. If you don’t then how do I know I’ve done wrong? I hope the above answer is satisfactory to you, if not then please come back and I will try again.
Paul Finch: I haven’t been critical of Sherwood being appointed, but I have been critical of the timing of AVB’s sacking. I thought Levy should have waited until the end of the season. It looks like we aren’t going to make 4th spot (but I hope I am wrong) under Sherwood so we would have been better to have stuck with AVB; would we have done any worse under AVB? We shall now never know.
Had Levy had waited until the end of the season to sack AVB we would have had a Team in TOTAL disarray, under AVB we couldn't score goals, why? because AVB was so stubborn and would not 1) vary the formation in any way, it was his way or the HIGHWAY, 2) wouldn't give Ade an opportunity, and furthermore it was pretty obvious to everyone, apart from you, that he had lost the players, that being so I think it would very safe to assume that we WOULD have done worse under AVB.
You say you haven't been critical of Sherwoods appointment, why then do you criticize him at every opportunity? you have even criticized him in your reply above to Metal or is it ok for you to point the finger, as you put it? When others did it to AVB you resorted to trying your Bullyboy tactics and name calling along with accusing them of being Doom and Gloomers and not real Spurs supporters!!!
Sorry Voice your reply doesn't wash, certainly not with me!!!!
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Had Levy had waited until the end of the season to sack AVB we would have had a Team in TOTAL disarray, under AVB we couldn't score goals, why? because AVB was so stubborn and would not 1) vary the formation in any way, it was his way or the HIGHWAY, 2) wouldn't give Ade an opportunity, and furthermore it was pretty obvious to everyone, apart from you, that he had lost the players, that being so I think it would very safe to assume that we WOULD have done worse under AVB.
1. You say he wouldn’t give Ade an opportunity, but that is a manager’s right. There are a few players that Sherwood isn’t giving an opportunity to. He did give Abe a chance in the beginning and it didn’t work out; if you remember rightly he (AVB) was accused by everybody for playing him.
2. I agree we weren’t scoring that many goals, but we were still winning or playing well.
3. I disagree that if AVB stayed that we would be in “TOTAL disarray”. You say it was “pretty obvious to everyone, apart from me, that he had lost the players”. Actually the players came out and supported him. You and I don’t know what the players thought of him, unless, they come out and support or criticise him. Ade did come out afterwards to criticise him, but he was the only one to do so (and he has reasons not to like AVB).
4. On the point of Ade; his family criticised him for not giving 100%, so that might be one of the reasons why he was dropped; this is in the public domain and was said by Ade himself.
You say you haven't been critical of Sherwoods appointment, why then do you criticize him at every opportunity? you have even criticized him in your reply above to Metal or is it ok for you to point the finger, as you put it? When others did it to AVB you resorted to trying your Bullyboy tactics and name calling along with accusing them of being Doom and Gloomers and not real Spurs supporters!!!
Why did you criticise AVB on every opportunity? And no I didn’t criticise him on every opportunity. I’ve written quite a bit supporting him. The only thing I’ve done is question his experience and bringing him in half way through the season.
I’ve never used “bullyboy tactics” or called anybody “doom and gloomers”. I just discuss.
Sorry Voice your reply doesn't wash, certainly not with me!!!!
There is no need to apologise… As for it doesn’t “wash with you”; it never will, once anybody takes a dislike to somebody they don’t want to discuss, debate, but just attack. I, for my sins, don’t wish to attack or do I have anything against you. I will just answer your questions to the best of my abilities. Every individual post deserves an individual answer; not revenge or grudges; if that works for you, then so be it.
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Had Levy had waited until the end of the season to sack AVB we would have had a Team in TOTAL disarray, under AVB we couldn't score goals, why? because AVB was so stubborn and would not 1) vary the formation in any way, it was his way or the HIGHWAY, 2) wouldn't give Ade an opportunity, and furthermore it was pretty obvious to everyone, apart from you, that he had lost the players, that being so I think it would very safe to assume that we WOULD have done worse under AVB.
1. You say he wouldn’t give Ade an opportunity, but that is a manager’s right. There are a few players that Sherwood isn’t giving an opportunity to. He did give Abe a chance in the beginning and it didn’t work out; if you remember rightly he (AVB) was accused by everybody for playing him.
2. I agree we weren’t scoring that many goals, but we were still winning or playing well.
3. I disagree that if AVB stayed that we would be in “TOTAL disarray”. You say it was “pretty obvious to everyone, apart from me, that he had lost the players”. Actually the players came out and supported him. You and I don’t know what the players thought of him, unless, they come out and support or criticise him. Ade did come out afterwards to criticise him, but he was the only one to do so (and he has reasons not to like AVB).
4. On the point of Ade; his family criticised him for not giving 100%, so that might be one of the reasons why he was dropped; this is in the public domain and was said by Ade himself.
You say you haven't been critical of Sherwoods appointment, why then do you criticize him at every opportunity? you have even criticized him in your reply above to Metal or is it ok for you to point the finger, as you put it? When others did it to AVB you resorted to trying your Bullyboy tactics and name calling along with accusing them of being Doom and Gloomers and not real Spurs supporters!!!
Why did you criticise AVB on every opportunity? And no I didn’t criticise him on every opportunity. I’ve written quite a bit supporting him. The only thing I’ve done is question his experience and bringing him in half way through the season.
I’ve never used “bullyboy tactics” or called anybody “doom and gloomers”. I just discuss.
Sorry Voice your reply doesn't wash, certainly not with me!!!!
There is no need to apologise… As for it doesn’t “wash with you”; it never will, once anybody takes a dislike to somebody they don’t want to discuss, debate, but just attack. I, for my sins, don’t wish to attack or do I have anything against you. I will just answer your questions to the best of my abilities. Every individual post deserves an individual answer; not revenge or grudges; if that works for you, then so be it.
Hijacked ................now this thread is about Soldado and how he contributes and effects the team can we steer it back on topic of maybe its time to close the thread as dragging up aspects which have been drawn out enough times before!
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Getting back on track. I am hoping that Soldado scores tomorrow night. I've put Spurs down to win 3-0.
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Getting back on track. I am hoping that Soldado scores tomorrow night. I've put Spurs down to win 3-0.
What gave me a lot of hope he will come good is when he came on against Norwich he seemed bright and up for it, his confidence and desperation to score caused him to lash at that golden chance which was also his first touch of the ball.
Tomorrow I would like to see him partnered by Harry Kane if 2 strikers or given Eriksen (he is too good for Europa really) a run out in the number 10 role and hopefully a point my be proven, who knows but I hope we dont go with a lone striker and that being Soldado as its setting him up to fail again!
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Yes Please guys, stick to topic or I'll have to get the padlock out. :up: :hide:
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Yes Please guys, stick to topic or I'll have to get the padlock out. :up: :hide:
The last 2 post are back on topic!
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Soldada has had far more chances than Defoe but scored less goals. Se have sold Defoe for 6 million shich equals a 20 million loss for a statistically worse player. Something up me thinks
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Apparently Athletico have named him their no 1 target. Let's hope we can get most of our money back nd find someone else who can play in the premier and get us some goals.
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Pray tell me who would you rather have Soldado or Balotelli? Cos there is a chance that we will lose Lamela and get Balotelli and also sell Soldado. Personally I would rather keep Lamela AND Soldado. I certainly do not want that arrogant, dirty BASTARD Balotelli wearing the Spurs Shirt at any price, he would be a really BAD influence to the young players that take PRIDE in wearing the the Cockerel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Getting back on track. I am hoping that Soldado scores tomorrow night. I've put Spurs down to win 3-0.
What gave me a lot of hope he will come good is when he came on against Norwich he seemed bright and up for it, his confidence and desperation to score caused him to lash at that golden chance which was also his first touch of the ball.
Tomorrow I would like to see him partnered by Harry Kane if 2 strikers or given Eriksen (he is too good for Europa really) a run out in the number 10 role and hopefully a point my be proven, who knows but I hope we dont go with a lone striker and that being Soldado as its setting him up to fail again!
I thought Soldado was unlucky yesterday, but on the hole I thought he had a good game.
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Pray tell me who would you rather have Soldado or Balotelli? Cos there is a chance that we will lose Lamela and get Balotelli and also sell Soldado. Personally I would rather keep Lamela AND Soldado. I certainly do not want that arrogant, dirty BASTARD Balotelli wearing the Spurs Shirt at any price, he would be a really BAD influence to the young players that take PRIDE in wearing the the Cockerel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Would we really pay the wages of Balotelli because if we can I can certainly think of many better players for the same money that would be a better fit to our club!
This season is a write off for Soldado selling would be a mistake as I feel next season he would have adapted settled and after a good world cup be buzzing! In my opinion each game he is looking more settled!
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I`d like to throw my two penneth in to this debate . Soldado WILL come good as he`s too good not to .Watch his movement and how he uses the ball .He`s just taking anextraordinary long time to get used to english football .Trust me , when he gets a couple he will fly
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I`d like to throw my two penneth in to this debate . Soldado WILL come good as he`s too good not to .Watch his movement and how he uses the ball .He`s just taking anextraordinary long time to get used to english football .Trust me , when he gets a couple he will fly
My thoughts entirely, to sell him after just 1 season, in my opinion, would be downright stupid!! :nods: :nods: :nods:
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I`d like to throw my two penneth in to this debate . Soldado WILL come good as he`s too good not to .Watch his movement and how he uses the ball .He`s just taking anextraordinary long time to get used to english football .Trust me , when he gets a couple he will fly
Watching him using the ball is whats most concerning, look at when we broke and he had the ball on the edge of the box and seemed to stop for an age because he couldnt decide where to pass and ended up giving it away!, He is wandering out of position way to much, he kept going over to the left wing which then left Adebayor isolated time and time again!, I know he has the skill set I just think something is going on behind the seen because he does not have that desire that ade has and you would have thought for his debut season he would have been busting a gut to be the best! :-[
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I`d like to throw my two penneth in to this debate . Soldado WILL come good as he`s too good not to .Watch his movement and how he uses the ball .He`s just taking anextraordinary long time to get used to english football .Trust me , when he gets a couple he will fly
Watching him using the ball is whats most concerning, look at when we broke and he had the ball on the edge of the box and seemed to stop for an age because he couldnt decide where to pass and ended up giving it away!, He is wandering out of position way to much, he kept going over to the left wing which then left Adebayor isolated time and time again!, I know he has the skill set I just think something is going on behind the seen because he does not have that desire that ade has and you would have thought for his debut season he would have been busting a gut to be the best! :-[
I think the problem is that becuase he`s not getting the service he`s coming deeper and deeper to get the ball so when we get on the attack he`s frequently chasing to keep up or out of position .If we were playing like we were two seasons ago with two fast wide players and sharp , quick passing he`d be banging them in
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Lovely finish from Soldado vs Cardiff that will do his confidence wonders!
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Lovely finish from Soldado vs Cardiff that will do his confidence wonders!
Let's hope he goes on a goal frenzie now :)
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I was chatting to the bloke next to me just before kick off today, I said if Soldado scores I'll buy you a pint! Haha! Opps :D
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I was chatting to the bloke next to me just before kick off today, I said if Soldado scores I'll buy you a pint! Haha! Opps :D
You keep saying it and get some overtime in! :up:
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Good result, great to see Soldado score, good 1st touch and great finish, very classy, what pleased me more was seeing Ade calling ALL the team over to congratulate him, now that was REAL CLASS from him, cos Ade knows what its like to not be able to find the back of the net, perhaps now Soldado has got the monkey off his back, he will start to score regularly, here's hoping cos we have 3 BIG games coming up. :up: :up: :up:
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Good result, but a crappy match. I wasn’t impressed with the way Spurs played, but we won… And Soldado scored. I hope this is the first of many (not that it was his first) goals for him. The way we played a Chelsea or City would have crucified us. But styles and the way we play depends on who we are up against.
I haven’t decided yet whether to go for a draw against Chelsea or a win. I imagine that everybody is thinking we would be just lucky to get a draw. But somebody has to Smash Chelsea’s home record under their manager. I said to somebody at Spurs, yesterday, that the team that beats Chelsea at Stamford Bridge will be somebody from outside the top 4 and we are currently outside the top 4. :up:
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This shows why Soldado is struggling at Spurs :'(
http://www1.skysports.com/football/live/match/287565/analysis (http://www1.skysports.com/football/live/match/287565/analysis)
He is spending way to much time out of the box where his best attributes are!.
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This shows why Soldado is struggling at Spurs :'(
http://www1.skysports.com/football/live/match/287565/analysis (http://www1.skysports.com/football/live/match/287565/analysis)
He is spending way to much time out of the box where his best attributes are!.
Agreed. They said the same on Match of the day. Strikers like Soldado or Greaves camp in the box. Under AVB and Sherwood he (Soldado, not Greaves) is not doing that. The question is why? Is he following orders or not doing as he is told? I would say he is following orders.
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I would say the opposite I think he is not recieving the ball enough so is going looking for it.
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I would say the opposite I think he is not recieving the ball enough so is going looking for it.
Well, that is a possibility, but it is still down to the manager to sort it out. Or he is trying too hard to please. Whatever way it is, it needs sorting out quickly. You don't become a bad striker over night.
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For Soldado to thrive, I believe the side needs one of two types of players (or one of each if you want to challenge for the title) You need a player like Modric, who has the vision to play the pass that is needed to cut open the defense, playing it to the players on the wing who then have the time and space to cross the ball to said Soldado. Or/And you need a player like Bale, who takes the ball at his feet past the players and can either strike or pass to the waiting Soldado to tap the ball home. We have neither of these kinds of players so our build up is slow, non-pentrating, thoughtless and low in quality.
Soldado is not the problem here. If we are not able to create a team that consists of one or both of these types of players then we either need to change our style of football and replace Soldado with a striker that is able to come deep, collect the ball and then pull off a solo miracle mission. Or we except that the standard we are at is as high as we can get. 5th/6th place every year.
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For Soldado to thrive, I believe the side needs one of two types of players (or one of each if you want to challenge for the title) You need a player like Modric, who has the vision to play the pass that is needed to cut open the defense, playing it to the players on the wing who then have the time and space to cross the ball to said Soldado. Or/And you need a player like Bale, who takes the ball at his feet past the players and can either strike or pass to the waiting Soldado to tap the ball home. We have neither of these kinds of players so our build up is slow, non-pentrating, thoughtless and low in quality.
Soldado is not the problem here. If we are not able to create a team that consists of one or both of these types of players then we either need to change our style of football and replace Soldado with a striker that is able to come deep, collect the ball and then pull off a solo miracle mission. Or we except that the standard we are at is as high as we can get. 5th/6th place every year.
Spot on bro :up: , We brougt in Erriksen to do the playmaker role and he is still finding his feet but getting better all the time, the two main problems are our wingers and defencive midfielders!, our winger seem to have liscence to go where they please and spend far to much time infield or cutting inside as they want to score themselves!, this creates a cramped midfield with us getting congested and nowhere to go! we are trying to play balls into the strikers when they are surrounded by a solid wall back 4!, they need to be told to stay out wide and get to as near as the byline as they can and whip as many crosses into the box as they can. As for our defencive midfield well its non existent at times, no closing down when we dont have the ball, far to much backing off and waiting for a team mate to do something! no communication with there team mates!, when we have the ball other players around them are static and ball watching! instead of looking for space to run into, this in itself makes our defence panic when they get closed down in there own half as there is no outlet for them to play the ball to! and we have seen this season a few times now a defender trying to take on a man in his own half , losing the ball and a few passes later we are picking the ball out of our own net!!!. They need to wake up and smell the coffee! they have a job to do for every game not just now and again!. :-[ :-[ ???
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Spot on bro :up: , We brougt in Erriksen to do the playmaker role and he is still finding his feet but getting better all the time, the two main problems are our wingers and defencive midfielders!, our winger seem to have liscence to go where they please and spend far to much time infield or cutting inside as they want to score themselves!, this creates a cramped midfield with us getting congested and nowhere to go! we are trying to play balls into the strikers when they are surrounded by a solid wall back 4!, they need to be told to stay out wide and get to as near as the byline as they can and whip as many crosses into the box as they can. As for our defencive midfield well its non existent at times, no closing down when we dont have the ball, far to much backing off and waiting for a team mate to do something! no communication with there team mates!, when we have the ball other players around them are static and ball watching! instead of looking for space to run into, this in itself makes our defence panic when they get closed down in there own half as there is no outlet for them to play the ball to! and we have seen this season a few times now a defender trying to take on a man in his own half , losing the ball and a few passes later we are picking the ball out of our own net!!!. They need to wake up and smell the coffee! they have a job to do for every game not just now and again!. :-[ :-[ ???
Great post BlackJack, you have hit a few nails on the head here. Nice to here someone talking about the finer details of football and trying to understand the real reasons for where things are going wrong, rather than blaming one player.
But it would be nice to have a discussion where we were saying what we were doing so well. And why teams found it so hard against us. ... sigh!
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Spot on bro :up: , We brougt in Erriksen to do the playmaker role and he is still finding his feet but getting better all the time, the two main problems are our wingers and defencive midfielders!, our winger seem to have liscence to go where they please and spend far to much time infield or cutting inside as they want to score themselves!, this creates a cramped midfield with us getting congested and nowhere to go! we are trying to play balls into the strikers when they are surrounded by a solid wall back 4!, they need to be told to stay out wide and get to as near as the byline as they can and whip as many crosses into the box as they can. As for our defencive midfield well its non existent at times, no closing down when we dont have the ball, far to much backing off and waiting for a team mate to do something! no communication with there team mates!, when we have the ball other players around them are static and ball watching! instead of looking for space to run into, this in itself makes our defence panic when they get closed down in there own half as there is no outlet for them to play the ball to! and we have seen this season a few times now a defender trying to take on a man in his own half , losing the ball and a few passes later we are picking the ball out of our own net!!!. They need to wake up and smell the coffee! they have a job to do for every game not just now and again!. :-[ :-[ ???
Great post BlackJack, you have hit a few nails on the head here. Nice to here someone talking about the finer details of football and trying to understand the real reasons for where things are going wrong, rather than blaming one player.
But it would be nice to have a discussion where we were saying what we were doing so well. And why teams found it so hard against us. ... sigh!
I thought we were making lots of progress under Harry!, we were a good passing team, fast flowing forward play and a real have a go attitude!, teams where scared of us as they new when we was on it we were really on it!, we were giving the big guns a run for there money, now every time we play MC, Pool,Ars*nal. etc were getting pasted again and is horrible to see, frustrating that Levy has ruined our best team we had in the league for years!. We have gone backwards!!!, the majority of the players AVB brought in are not good enough!, Tim is doing the best he can with what hes got, but what concerns me more is Pool are moving away from us, they have spent wisely, Sturridge, Coutinio,Aspas, Toure!, all very good players, with Sturridge and young sterling, Johnson they act as wingers and get great crosses into the box for there strikers!, the attack in numbers going forward and so create havoc to opposing teams!, if we had that Im sure Soldado and Adebayor would thrive as a partnership! as it is now I fear Soldado could be another Morientes and it never worked for him at pool and and he was great at madrid!.
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I thought we were making lots of progress under Harry!, we were a good passing team, fast flowing forward play and a real have a go attitude!, teams where scared of us as they new when we was on it we were really on it!, we were giving the big guns a run for there money, now every time we play MC, Pool,Ars*nal. etc were getting pasted again and is horrible to see, frustrating that Levy has ruined our best team we had in the league for years!. We have gone backwards!!!,
Be careful Blackjack, that kind of talk can tend to get a certain reaction round here. ;) Even though what you say is 100% correct, others will insist that you are wrong. Best to stick with the topic on the thread, Soldado. Although the Harry debate and the decline we are now facing is relevant, it would be best to discuss it in its own thread.
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I thought we were making lots of progress under Harry!, we were a good passing team, fast flowing forward play and a real have a go attitude!, teams where scared of us as they new when we was on it we were really on it!, we were giving the big guns a run for there money, now every time we play MC, Pool,Ars*nal. etc were getting pasted again and is horrible to see, frustrating that Levy has ruined our best team we had in the league for years!. We have gone backwards!!!,
Be careful Blackjack, that kind of talk can tend to get a certain reaction round here. ;) Even though what you say is 100% correct, others will insist that you are wrong. Best to stick with the topic on the thread, Soldado. Although the Harry debate and the decline we are now facing is relevant, it would be best to discuss it in its own thread.
Blackjack you are 110% correct in what you have posted, it really grieves me to see the way we have played the last season and a half, compared to the previous 3 seasons, as you quite rightly said, we were playing a really attractive and attacking style and yes when teams came to the Lane they did fear us, and when we went away they new that they had to be on their game.
To be honest Dimexi I am sick and tired of the way certain people continue to defend Levy and his antics, in my opinion he needs to be made accountable for his actions, because he has certainly contributed to the position we currently find ourselves in!!!!
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Im not trying to provoke a reaction :) we are all on the same team Im just stating facts as to why Soldado is not playing well enough!, if we address the positions around him that need to feed him then we should be able to get him going, but I fear losing key players like Bale and changing managers and far too many new team members in quick sucsession means that Soldado has struggled because our team has struggled to adapt to playing a new system(AVB one upfront) plus the new players have not quite got a clear understanding of each other and by giving our wingers the liscence to roam and play out of position Soldado is either starved of the ball or recieves it to high up the pitch as he has come looking for it to try and get involved in the game!. When this happens and we do get a good counter and play the right way we have nobody in the box to put it in the net!. this I blame on Levys management skills.
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Im not trying to provoke a reaction :) we are all on the same team Im just stating facts as to why Soldado is not playing well enough!, if we address the positions around him that need to feed him then we should be able to get him going, but I fear losing key players like Bale and changing managers and far too many new team members in quick sucsession means that Soldado has struggled because our team has struggled to adapt to playing a new system(AVB one upfront) plus the new players have not quite got a clear understanding of each other and by giving our wingers the liscence to roam and play out of position Soldado is either starved of the ball or recieves it to high up the pitch as he has come looking for it to try and get involved in the game!. When this happens and we do get a good counter and play the right way we have nobody in the box to put it in the net!. this I blame on Levys management skills.
I think Levy made a huge mistake in not loosening the purse strings when HR was coach, and before the usual suspects start screaming about England, what manager in his right mind wouldn't want to coach his national side, but that is now all in the past, time to move on. Once again Blackjack you are correct in your summation of our current predicament, but hopefully Levy will stop interfere-ing and allow the coach to decide, although I very much doubt it and I am not about to hold my breath> :( :( :(
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Blackjack you are 110% correct in what you have posted, it really grieves me to see the way we have played the last season and a half, compared to the previous 3 seasons, as you quite rightly said, we were playing a really attractive and attacking style and yes when teams came to the Lane they did fear us, and when we went away they new that they had to be on their game.
To be honest Dimexi I am sick and tired of the way certain people continue to defend Levy and his antics, in my opinion he needs to be made accountable for his actions, because he has certainly contributed to the position we currently find ourselves in!!!!
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Totally agree Mr Finch. I have been saying for a while now that the way I see it, the common denominator in Spurs' woes is Levy and at some point ( i would say sooner rather than later) Levy needs to be made accountable for the extremely poor decisions that have been made over the years. For me the start of this was the lack of communication and explanation after the Harry sacking. I am sure it threads back further than that point, but it was the big wake up call we should all have reacted to more proactively. But I think because we were on the rise, we were fooled to believing that maybe it would work out for the best in the long run. How wrong we were!
And as Blackjack has said this does have an impact on having a player the quality of Soldado, but not the team, tactics or philosophy to bring him and our team success.
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Im not trying to provoke a reaction :)
I know that was not you intention, your points were valid and well constructed...I just meant that you may get one anyway.
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Im not trying to provoke a reaction :)
I know that was not you intention, your points were valid and well constructed...I just meant that you may get one anyway.
I expect it bro!, there will be many people who agree and disagree, everyone has a valid point of view and we all respect each other :up: .
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Im not trying to provoke a reaction :)
I know that was not you intention, your points were valid and well constructed...I just meant that you may get one anyway.
I expect it bro!, there will be many people who agree and disagree, everyone has a valid point of view and we all respect each other :up: .
Unfortunately Blackjack, there are some on this forum who do not respect other peoples points of view and will try and denigrate anyone who disagrees with their views. :nods: :nods: :nods:
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Some great posts here, some well put and valid points Blackjack, nothing to add from me as you are in my opinion completely correct, some refreshing points too mate.
I think there is defo room to start a thread on our decline over the last season or so and where the issues lie.
As for Soldado, with a fellow strike partner like Ade and good service from midfield, he will get us goals, just hope Levy is not stupid enough to sell him!
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Some great posts here, some well put and valid points Blackjack, nothing to add from me as you are in my opinion completely correct, some refreshing points too mate.
I think there is defo room to start a thread on our decline over the last season or so and where the issues lie.
As for Soldado, with a fellow strike partner like Ade and good service from midfield, he will get us goals, just hope Levy is not stupid enough to sell him!
I couldn't agree more Metal, we can only live in hope, but unfortunately only time will tell!!!
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Some great posts here, some well put and valid points Blackjack, nothing to add from me as you are in my opinion completely correct, some refreshing points too mate.
I think there is defo room to start a thread on our decline over the last season or so and where the issues lie.
As for Soldado, with a fellow strike partner like Ade and good service from midfield, he will get us goals, just hope Levy is not stupid enough to sell him!
Well, Levy is capable of anything irrational as we know, but If Sodado up his game by May, he will stay and become good next seson1
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Some great posts here, some well put and valid points Blackjack, nothing to add from me as you are in my opinion completely correct, some refreshing points too mate.
I think there is defo room to start a thread on our decline over the last season or so and where the issues lie.
As for Soldado, with a fellow strike partner like Ade and good service from midfield, he will get us goals, just hope Levy is not stupid enough to sell him!
Well, Levy is capable of anything irrational as we know, but If Sodado up his game by May, he will stay and become good next seson1
Levy needs to sort things out before we become a laughing stock.
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Time to close this...... :blahblah:
Off Topic.