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« Reply #30 on: December 10, 2014, 07:53:29 PM »
From going to such heights in managing Spurs and then being thought of as an England manager Harry came crashing down to manage struggling lowly QPR. I wonder if Levy knew something the Spurs supporters failed to grasp? You would have thought that the top clubs of world football would have been fighting for his signature, but no. Because of this, I think Levy was right in sacking wide-boy Harry. It is just a pity that he followed one anal signing with another. It shows you how times have fallen for Spurs when their fans think that the best, in the last 30 years, was acceptable. People like Arthur Rowe (managing league winners 50/51) and Bill Nicholson (manager of double winning team of the 60s) must be tossing in their coffins because of the fans modest expectations. Fans of clubs like Ars*nal, United, City, Chelsea and even Liverpool expect nothing less than challenging for the league title and being in Europe, while we acknowledge 30 years of good football. It makes you want to cry.

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« Reply #31 on: December 11, 2014, 03:45:00 PM »
From going to such heights in managing Spurs and then being thought of as an England manager Harry came crashing down to manage struggling lowly QPR. I wonder if Levy knew something the Spurs supporters failed to grasp? You would have thought that the top clubs of world football would have been fighting for his signature, but no. Because of this, I think Levy was right in sacking wide-boy Harry. It is just a pity that he followed one anal signing with another. It shows you how times have fallen for Spurs when their fans think that the best, in the last 30 years, was acceptable. People like Arthur Rowe (managing league winners 50/51) and Bill Nicholson (manager of double winning team of the 60s) must be tossing in their coffins because of the fans modest expectations. Fans of clubs like Ars*nal, United, City, Chelsea and even Liverpool expect nothing less than challenging for the league title and being in Europe, while we acknowledge 30 years of good football. It makes you want to cry.

Spot on. We must set our heights high and expect nothing less than a top 4 spot and a fight for a trophy and title every year. The reason we haven't is because of the type of managers/ coaches we've employed. Yes, we must congratulate Harry for taking us into Europeans Champion league once (while he was manager they finished 8,4,5,4). All good, but he couldn't take us no further. A club like Spurs should expect higher thinking and placing.
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« Reply #32 on: December 11, 2014, 04:15:49 PM »
From going to such heights in managing Spurs and then being thought of as an England manager Harry came crashing down to manage struggling lowly QPR. I wonder if Levy knew something the Spurs supporters failed to grasp? You would have thought that the top clubs of world football would have been fighting for his signature, but no. Because of this, I think Levy was right in sacking wide-boy Harry. It is just a pity that he followed one anal signing with another. It shows you how times have fallen for Spurs when their fans think that the best, in the last 30 years, was acceptable. People like Arthur Rowe (managing league winners 50/51) and Bill Nicholson (manager of double winning team of the 60s) must be tossing in their coffins because of the fans modest expectations. Fans of clubs like Ars*nal, United, City, Chelsea and even Liverpool expect nothing less than challenging for the league title and being in Europe, while we acknowledge 30 years of good football. It makes you want to cry.

Spot on. We must set our heights high and expect nothing less than a top 4 spot and a fight for a trophy and title every year. The reason we haven't is because of the type of managers/ coaches we've employed. Yes, we must congratulate Harry for taking us into Europeans Champion league once (while he was manager they finished 8,4,5,4). All good, but he couldn't take us no further. A club like Spurs should expect higher thinking and placing.
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« Reply #33 on: December 11, 2014, 07:18:12 PM »
Howdy folks,

When people talk about good football I say you haven’t seen good football. My grandchildren tell me about this player or that player and even though they are good by today’s standards, they’ve got nothing on the past. I remember seeing the push and run team, which was followed by the great Bill Nickolson era. That was the benchmark that was set by the great Arthur Rowe and Bill Nick. So to call the best football we’ve ever seen in the past 30 years is a  bit like saying Frank Bruno is the best ever (that is ever) boxer that ever set foot in a ring on this planet. A travesty of justice (and a joke). We, and I mean, Spurs fans, have set our sites so low that they are crawling on the ground looking for titbits. Nevertheless, we are in today’s society, and not the past, I hear you call out. Yes, but just look at the likes of Man City or United, Ars*nal (and their invincibles) and the great Liverpool sides of the past 30 years. That is the yardstick we should be setting Spurs by. Of course I am not surprised that people don’t really know what Spurs had delivered all those years ago. Nowadays we only see news clips and glimmers of past ghosts. So the younger generation had been weather beaten over the years and have set the bar a lot lower. But if teams like City, Ars*nal, United and Liverpool can thrill and achieve all those accolades then we must, as Spurs fans, set our sights at the same level. A new stadium must mean the board is thinking in the right  direction. Where they’ve dithered and flummoxed is in picking the right manager and then not giving him a chance. I don’t know whether Mr Daniel Levy is a sole decider when it comes to picking his managers, or he consults, but what is for sure is that he can’t keep going on the road to nowhere without dragging this great club down with him.

I see the past 30 years as wasted years and we must get back on track where this great club belongs. We mustn’t forget that our motto is Audere est Facere, which was changed from its Latin meaning to the more understandable meaning To Dare is to Do. Why that was changed I can only ponder. When I was a kid Latin was taught at school, now we are living in a more dumb down society, so such Latin is probably beyond today’s limited intelligence. Nonetheless, we are here and not there, but that doesn’t mean that Spurs should be dragged down with today’s fodder. To Dare is to Do was the sort of great inspiration that drove Spurs onto achieving greatness. That can still be achieved today with the right combination, balls and determination.

That is my bombast for today and I hope this good forum allows a Spurs fan of my age to occasionally speak with passion and a tear and a nod to past greatnesses.
 
I am honoured to be allowed to voice my opinions/ concerns on a forum of equal minded and fair Spurs supporters.

Thank you, Don

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« Reply #34 on: December 11, 2014, 07:38:17 PM »
That is some speech Mr Don and good on you. We are in a different period from those great days but I can’t see why we can’t have the same spirit and gumption to try to emulate them. The trouble is the players today are on overinflated wages and probably don’t have the same desires as past players had. They say hunger (low wages) made you fight that bit extra and I believe that is certainly true. The past 30 years is nothing to brag about considering what clubs like Liverpool, United, Ars*nal, City and Chelsea have achieved. We need to recapture some of that glory and stand proud. I am with you Don.

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« Reply #35 on: December 12, 2014, 12:02:08 AM »
When I joined I said I was a Harry fan, and I still think he was one of the best, even though he did shoot himself in the foot. But I also must agree with what was recently said, that we should be a top four club challenging for the title. I enjoyed Harry’s football, but I believe he took us as far as he could. With a new stadium in Spurs vision we need somebody that can share a vision that a new stadium encapsulate, and it pains me to say, but that would not have been achieved by the likes of Harry and all the others that have been mentioned. We have to go back to Keith B to see a worthy team. I am not sure whether our Maurce is the one, I personally think he is too young. But saying that we cannot keep sacking managers. We are where we are, so we should, at the present, keep our fingers crossed and hope for the best. One man I would love to see managing our club is Klinnsman. But that is one for the future.

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I`m afraid i have to disagree slightly.Under harry we were only a world class striker away from being genuine title challengers.All of that changed the day he was sacked.We are a million miles away from where we were then
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« Reply #36 on: December 12, 2014, 09:14:44 AM »
Howdy folks,

When people talk about good football I say you haven’t seen good football. My grandchildren tell me about this player or that player and even though they are good by today’s standards, they’ve got nothing on the past. I remember seeing the push and run team, which was followed by the great Bill Nickolson era. That was the benchmark that was set by the great Arthur Rowe and Bill Nick. So to call the best football we’ve ever seen in the past 30 years is a  bit like saying Frank Bruno is the best ever (that is ever) boxer that ever set foot in a ring on this planet. A travesty of justice (and a joke). We, and I mean, Spurs fans, have set our sites so low that they are crawling on the ground looking for titbits. Nevertheless, we are in today’s society, and not the past, I hear you call out. Yes, but just look at the likes of Man City or United, Ars*nal (and their invincibles) and the great Liverpool sides of the past 30 years. That is the yardstick we should be setting Spurs by. Of course I am not surprised that people don’t really know what Spurs had delivered all those years ago. Nowadays we only see news clips and glimmers of past ghosts. So the younger generation had been weather beaten over the years and have set the bar a lot lower. But if teams like City, Ars*nal, United and Liverpool can thrill and achieve all those accolades then we must, as Spurs fans, set our sights at the same level. A new stadium must mean the board is thinking in the right  direction. Where they’ve dithered and flummoxed is in picking the right manager and then not giving him a chance. I don’t know whether Mr Daniel Levy is a sole decider when it comes to picking his managers, or he consults, but what is for sure is that he can’t keep going on the road to nowhere without dragging this great club down with him.

I see the past 30 years as wasted years and we must get back on track where this great club belongs. We mustn’t forget that our motto is Audere est Facere, which was changed from its Latin meaning to the more understandable meaning To Dare is to Do. Why that was changed I can only ponder. When I was a kid Latin was taught at school, now we are living in a more dumb down society, so such Latin is probably beyond today’s limited intelligence. Nonetheless, we are here and not there, but that doesn’t mean that Spurs should be dragged down with today’s fodder. To Dare is to Do was the sort of great inspiration that drove Spurs onto achieving greatness. That can still be achieved today with the right combination, balls and determination.

That is my bombast for today and I hope this good forum allows a Spurs fan of my age to occasionally speak with passion and a tear and a nod to past greatnesses.
 
I am honoured to be allowed to voice my opinions/ concerns on a forum of equal minded and fair Spurs supporters.

Thank you, Don


     Well said Don, we are obviously around the same age, and also share similar opinions and have also been privileged to have watched our great club achieve greatness, and now we have to suffer the indignity of mediocrity, which I find VERY hard to accept. :( :( :(
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« Reply #37 on: December 12, 2014, 03:56:43 PM »
Howdy folks,

When people talk about good football I say you haven’t seen good football. My grandchildren tell me about this player or that player and even though they are good by today’s standards, they’ve got nothing on the past. I remember seeing the push and run team, which was followed by the great Bill Nickolson era. That was the benchmark that was set by the great Arthur Rowe and Bill Nick. So to call the best football we’ve ever seen in the past 30 years is a  bit like saying Frank Bruno is the best ever (that is ever) boxer that ever set foot in a ring on this planet. A travesty of justice (and a joke). We, and I mean, Spurs fans, have set our sites so low that they are crawling on the ground looking for titbits. Nevertheless, we are in today’s society, and not the past, I hear you call out. Yes, but just look at the likes of Man City or United, Ars*nal (and their invincibles) and the great Liverpool sides of the past 30 years. That is the yardstick we should be setting Spurs by. Of course I am not surprised that people don’t really know what Spurs had delivered all those years ago. Nowadays we only see news clips and glimmers of past ghosts. So the younger generation had been weather beaten over the years and have set the bar a lot lower. But if teams like City, Ars*nal, United and Liverpool can thrill and achieve all those accolades then we must, as Spurs fans, set our sights at the same level. A new stadium must mean the board is thinking in the right  direction. Where they’ve dithered and flummoxed is in picking the right manager and then not giving him a chance. I don’t know whether Mr Daniel Levy is a sole decider when it comes to picking his managers, or he consults, but what is for sure is that he can’t keep going on the road to nowhere without dragging this great club down with him.

I see the past 30 years as wasted years and we must get back on track where this great club belongs. We mustn’t forget that our motto is Audere est Facere, which was changed from its Latin meaning to the more understandable meaning To Dare is to Do. Why that was changed I can only ponder. When I was a kid Latin was taught at school, now we are living in a more dumb down society, so such Latin is probably beyond today’s limited intelligence. Nonetheless, we are here and not there, but that doesn’t mean that Spurs should be dragged down with today’s fodder. To Dare is to Do was the sort of great inspiration that drove Spurs onto achieving greatness. That can still be achieved today with the right combination, balls and determination.

That is my bombast for today and I hope this good forum allows a Spurs fan of my age to occasionally speak with passion and a tear and a nod to past greatnesses.
 
I am honoured to be allowed to voice my opinions/ concerns on a forum of equal minded and fair Spurs supporters.

Thank you, Don

To Dare is to Do, exactly... maybe the few of the players needs to be reminded of that.
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« Reply #38 on: December 13, 2014, 04:00:42 AM »
Howdy folks,

When people talk about good football I say you haven’t seen good football. My grandchildren tell me about this player or that player and even though they are good by today’s standards, they’ve got nothing on the past. I remember seeing the push and run team, which was followed by the great Bill Nickolson era. That was the benchmark that was set by the great Arthur Rowe and Bill Nick. So to call the best football we’ve ever seen in the past 30 years is a  bit like saying Frank Bruno is the best ever (that is ever) boxer that ever set foot in a ring on this planet. A travesty of justice (and a joke).

Hi Don, I am glad you are allowed to ‘Voice’ your opinion, however I must respond to some of your points. I think you are viewing football through some rose tinted glasses. It is very difficult to directly compare players from one era over another. Particularly, when there are other mitigating factors involved. Health, diet, training methods and facilities, the speed of the game, the technology of the ball etc. however, I do believe that all of the great players of the past would be equally great in the modern day game given those same conditions. But this also works the other way. The best players of today would be on par with those in the past.  Individually, we could determine that Jimmy Greaves was a better player than Soldado, but if we compare him to Messi or Bale it becomes trickier.

I think your Bruno analogy is way off the mark as it does not demonstrate a flaw in the point being made. Saying that the football under Harry was the best we have played in over 30 years is a comment on the past 30 years (this was chosen because it is how long I have been watching Spurs, nothing else) It does not attempt to say it is the best we have ever played, nor does it say that that is as good as we should aspire to play. If you had said it was like saying at the time Frank Bruno was the best British heavyweight since Henry Cooper, it would be an accurate analogy. (even if you don’t think he was). My point being you are trying to make the wrong argument against the wrong issue.



We, and I mean, Spurs fans, have set our sites so low that they are crawling on the ground looking for titbits. Nevertheless, we are in today’s society, and not the past, I hear you call out. Yes, but just look at the likes of Man City or United, Ars*nal (and their invincibles) and the great Liverpool sides of the past 30 years. That is the yardstick we should be setting Spurs by. Of course I am not surprised that people don’t really know what Spurs had delivered all those years ago. Nowadays we only see news clips and glimmers of past ghosts. So the younger generation had been weather beaten over the years and have set the bar a lot lower. But if teams like City, Ars*nal, United and Liverpool can thrill and achieve all those accolades then we must, as Spurs fans, set our sights at the same level. A new stadium must mean the board is thinking in the right  direction. Where they’ve dithered and flummoxed is in picking the right manager and then not giving him a chance. I don’t know whether Mr Daniel Levy is a sole decider when it comes to picking his managers, or he consults, but what is for sure is that he can’t keep going on the road to nowhere without dragging this great club down with him.

I agree with most of what you have said here. Especially regarding Levy. Although Man City were down in Division 1 not so long ago and it is only because of ridiculous investment they are where they are today. Ars*nal, had a purple patch for being at the very top, but in recent times they have been happy with 4th and getting regular CL football. We are not even at that level yet, so to try and jump straight to a title bid is a lovely thought, but a little unrealistic. Liverpool were great, but even that seems like a different era, they are not too dissimilar to ourselves of late. United are the only exception, but this was because of one manager. They hit the Jackpot with him and he was with them so long, he was able to carve out a legacy. We do need to be aiming high, but to say that the current generation of fans have low expectations is A.) incorrect, because every spurs fan has hopes and dreams of spurs winning the title one day, and is waiting for the club to match that expectation. and B.) shows a lack of respect for the younger fans who love the club as much as anyone and cannot go back in time and experience spurs in a different time




I see the past 30 years as wasted years and we must get back on track where this great club belongs. We mustn’t forget that our motto is Audere est Facere, which was changed from its Latin meaning to the more understandable meaning To Dare is to Do. Why that was changed I can only ponder. When I was a kid Latin was taught at school, now we are living in a more dumb down society, so such Latin is probably beyond today’s limited intelligence. Nonetheless, we are here and not there, but that doesn’t mean that Spurs should be dragged down with today’s fodder. To Dare is to Do was the sort of great inspiration that drove Spurs onto achieving greatness. That can still be achieved today with the right combination, balls and determination.

Again, here you are degrading the young people of today. You think we live in a more dumb down society. I disagree. The children and youth of today are not stupid, they don’t have limited intelligence. Back in the old days the kids were routinely separated in those with brains and those that could do manual labour. This divide set them up for life. The thickies we given a different education and there was a whole sub culture of non academic people in our country. (actually many of these were intelligent people in different ways) now days the vast majority of children have a higher basic academic intelligence. The need for manual labour / vocational work has gone down as we need more technologically minded people today. There are more academically trained people and graduates (however, some of these are not intelligent when it comes to common sense). The thing that has created the dumb down appearance of society is the media and consumerism and the push on materialistic goals.

At Spurs there is lots of ‘do’ new stadium, lots of new players at times, even more new managers, new training facilities, new kits, being financially secure. We do the do well. But we have stopped doing the ‘dare’. For all the good dos we have done, we seem to keep missing the vital spark the desire to take a chance, to aspire to be better than we are. I don’t think Levy is the man that can give us that spark, he has no dare.

I would like to be saying in 5 years time that we are playing the best football I have seen in 35 years. And I also hope that that can be said alongside the statement. We have won the title for the first time in over 50 years. But even better than that would be for people like yourself saying it is the best football spurs have ever played. It is a dream, my White Hart Dream.
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« Reply #39 on: December 13, 2014, 04:24:21 AM »

That is very true and you can’t argue with that (and it is simple to understand). However, I simply say; what did we win and how high did we end up? If you just want nice football then I will give you that, however, as a Spurs fan I don’t want us to be also runs (or just known as nice). I want us to win trophies, win the league, and be permanently in the top 4. There wasn’t one name that was mentioned that could help us achieve that goal. I suppose my fault, where Spurs are concerned, is that my heights have a higher bar than your nice football is set at, and I won’t apologise for that. But to be fair I remember the push and run and the famous teams that were created by Bill Nicholson or even Keith Burkinshaw (and all those teams won trophies, only Burkinshaw never won the league), where you only have your “30 years” of the best football YOU’VE ever seen. Of course I have seen better football in those 30 years, sadly, not by Spurs.

I won't apologise for only being alive and watching Spurs for 30 years either. But lets be crystal clear about one thing. You do not want spurs to win more than me, the same maybe, and that desire for winning has nothing to do with the nice football you mentioned, although it is a preference. ( I would like us to win the title, even if the football was boring at first, like Chelsea the first time, but then I would want the nice football to return). Actually, nice has nothing to do with it. What I want to see is high quality football, which is able to win games. We were on the right track with Harry. He may or may not have been able to take us further given more time and more money. Everyone can think what that will on that, it is hypothetical and again irrelevant. However, what absolutely needed to happen after Levy made that inspired decision (or blind fools gamble), was for the next manager to be someone who could keep us moving in the right direction. He failed miserably. That is the sad truth of it. We went backwards. First in the style of play (the nice football stopped), then the results, then the quality of the squad went down and now we are two more managers in and still travelling in the opposite direction to the one we all want.

 
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« Reply #40 on: December 14, 2014, 04:51:22 PM »

That is very true and you can’t argue with that (and it is simple to understand). However, I simply say; what did we win and how high did we end up? If you just want nice football then I will give you that, however, as a Spurs fan I don’t want us to be also runs (or just known as nice). I want us to win trophies, win the league, and be permanently in the top 4. There wasn’t one name that was mentioned that could help us achieve that goal. I suppose my fault, where Spurs are concerned, is that my heights have a higher bar than your nice football is set at, and I won’t apologise for that. But to be fair I remember the push and run and the famous teams that were created by Bill Nicholson or even Keith Burkinshaw (and all those teams won trophies, only Burkinshaw never won the league), where you only have your “30 years” of the best football YOU’VE ever seen. Of course I have seen better football in those 30 years, sadly, not by Spurs.

I won't apologise for only being alive and watching Spurs for 30 years either. But lets be crystal clear about one thing. You do not want spurs to win more than me, the same maybe, and that desire for winning has nothing to do with the nice football you mentioned, although it is a preference. ( I would like us to win the title, even if the football was boring at first, like Chelsea the first time, but then I would want the nice football to return). Actually, nice has nothing to do with it. What I want to see is high quality football, which is able to win games. We were on the right track with Harry. He may or may not have been able to take us further given more time and more money. Everyone can think what that will on that, it is hypothetical and again irrelevant. However, what absolutely needed to happen after Levy made that inspired decision (or blind fools gamble), was for the next manager to be someone who could keep us moving in the right direction. He failed miserably. That is the sad truth of it. We went backwards. First in the style of play (the nice football stopped), then the results, then the quality of the squad went down and now we are two more managers in and still travelling in the opposite direction to the one we all want.

To be fair I understand where you are coming from. Where Paul Finch, Don and myself remember the Glory days and the real Spurs magic your starting date (30 years ago) starts in 1984. Which was the end of Burkinshaw era and the last time Spurs won any decent trophies (even though they did win three cups within your time; 2 x League and 1 FA Cup). I also understand why you think Redknapp is god. In the land of the blind the one eyed Cyclops is God. Since being a Spurs fan, you’ve never seen a decent manager lead Spurs out of the dugout (decent, as in the calibre of Rowe, Nicholson and Burkinshaw) . Therefore, I do sympathise with you new comers. But I do hope that someday, in your life time, you, along with the rest of us, will see what made Spurs into a magic team.

I do believe that Spurs are capable of winning the league and other trophies and that they can and will emulate the Spurs of the past. However, to achieve that we do need a new stadium, the right players and manager.
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« Reply #41 on: December 15, 2014, 08:30:55 AM »
Howdy folks,

When people talk about good football I say you haven’t seen good football. My grandchildren tell me about this player or that player and even though they are good by today’s standards, they’ve got nothing on the past. I remember seeing the push and run team, which was followed by the great Bill Nickolson era. That was the benchmark that was set by the great Arthur Rowe and Bill Nick. So to call the best football we’ve ever seen in the past 30 years is a  bit like saying Frank Bruno is the best ever (that is ever) boxer that ever set foot in a ring on this planet. A travesty of justice (and a joke). We, and I mean, Spurs fans, have set our sites so low that they are crawling on the ground looking for titbits. Nevertheless, we are in today’s society, and not the past, I hear you call out. Yes, but just look at the likes of Man City or United, Ars*nal (and their invincibles) and the great Liverpool sides of the past 30 years. That is the yardstick we should be setting Spurs by. Of course I am not surprised that people don’t really know what Spurs had delivered all those years ago. Nowadays we only see news clips and glimmers of past ghosts. So the younger generation had been weather beaten over the years and have set the bar a lot lower. But if teams like City, Ars*nal, United and Liverpool can thrill and achieve all those accolades then we must, as Spurs fans, set our sights at the same level. A new stadium must mean the board is thinking in the right  direction. Where they’ve dithered and flummoxed is in picking the right manager and then not giving him a chance. I don’t know whether Mr Daniel Levy is a sole decider when it comes to picking his managers, or he consults, but what is for sure is that he can’t keep going on the road to nowhere without dragging this great club down with him.

I see the past 30 years as wasted years and we must get back on track where this great club belongs. We mustn’t forget that our motto is Audere est Facere, which was changed from its Latin meaning to the more understandable meaning To Dare is to Do. Why that was changed I can only ponder. When I was a kid Latin was taught at school, now we are living in a more dumb down society, so such Latin is probably beyond today’s limited intelligence. Nonetheless, we are here and not there, but that doesn’t mean that Spurs should be dragged down with today’s fodder. To Dare is to Do was the sort of great inspiration that drove Spurs onto achieving greatness. That can still be achieved today with the right combination, balls and determination.

That is my bombast for today and I hope this good forum allows a Spurs fan of my age to occasionally speak with passion and a tear and a nod to past greatnesses.
 
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Thank you, Don

To Dare is to Do, exactly... maybe the few of the players needs to be reminded of that.

A good post Don, I too am nearly from your era (aged 61) and was brought up as a kid watching the great double side and thereafter. However, I fear we will never be able to return to those great heights until some sort of wage cap is brought in, so that we, and others for that matter, are able to bring in the standard of player we need. Surely 100k a week should be sufficient for the prima donnas to get by on ?

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Re: Spurs are a laughing stock - Comolli
« Reply #42 on: December 16, 2014, 12:14:59 AM »

I also understand why you think Redknapp is god. In the land of the blind the one eyed Cyclops is God. Since being a Spurs fan, you’ve never seen a decent manager lead Spurs out of the dugout (decent, as in the calibre of Rowe, Nicholson and Burkinshaw) . Therefore, I do sympathise with you new comers. But I do hope that someday, in your life time, you, along with the rest of us, will see what made Spurs into a magic team.

I do believe that Spurs are capable of winning the league and other trophies and that they can and will emulate the Spurs of the past. However, to achieve that we do need a new stadium, the right players and manager.

I never said I thought Harry was God, or that he was even the best man for the job. But to be fair who else would even come to Spurs? He was simply the best we have had in a long long time. He got us moving in the right direction. Even Though I disagreed with the decision for him to go (cutting your nose off to spite your face IMO) I was willing to accept it if the club were able to back that decision with actions that kept that positive momentum going. Harry could be just a happy memory and we could be simply saying he got the ball running.

However, that did not even come close to happening. There was no plan, no thinking and no actions taken, to even suggest that was the right move. The proof is in the pudding as they say.

The saddest thing that you said voice was the way you sympathised with us 'newcomers'. Very sad indeed to think you can be watching a team for just over 30 years and to still be going round in circles and not becoming the side we want it to be. Then the one time it seemed to be getting better, it was stopped in its tracks due to poor decision making, bad communication and inflated egos.
Maybe next year...

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Re: Spurs are a laughing stock - Comolli
« Reply #43 on: December 16, 2014, 08:20:52 AM »

That is very true and you can’t argue with that (and it is simple to understand). However, I simply say; what did we win and how high did we end up? If you just want nice football then I will give you that, however, as a Spurs fan I don’t want us to be also runs (or just known as nice). I want us to win trophies, win the league, and be permanently in the top 4. There wasn’t one name that was mentioned that could help us achieve that goal. I suppose my fault, where Spurs are concerned, is that my heights have a higher bar than your nice football is set at, and I won’t apologise for that. But to be fair I remember the push and run and the famous teams that were created by Bill Nicholson or even Keith Burkinshaw (and all those teams won trophies, only Burkinshaw never won the league), where you only have your “30 years” of the best football YOU’VE ever seen. Of course I have seen better football in those 30 years, sadly, not by Spurs.

I won't apologise for only being alive and watching Spurs for 30 years either. But lets be crystal clear about one thing. You do not want spurs to win more than me, the same maybe, and that desire for winning has nothing to do with the nice football you mentioned, although it is a preference. ( I would like us to win the title, even if the football was boring at first, like Chelsea the first time, but then I would want the nice football to return). Actually, nice has nothing to do with it. What I want to see is high quality football, which is able to win games. We were on the right track with Harry. He may or may not have been able to take us further given more time and more money. Everyone can think what that will on that, it is hypothetical and again irrelevant. However, what absolutely needed to happen after Levy made that inspired decision (or blind fools gamble), was for the next manager to be someone who could keep us moving in the right direction. He failed miserably. That is the sad truth of it. We went backwards. First in the style of play (the nice football stopped), then the results, then the quality of the squad went down and now we are two more managers in and still travelling in the opposite direction to the one we all want.

To be fair I understand where you are coming from. Where Paul Finch, Don and myself remember the Glory days and the real Spurs magic your starting date (30 years ago) starts in 1984. Which was the end of Burkinshaw era and the last time Spurs won any decent trophies (even though they did win three cups within your time; 2 x League and 1 FA Cup). I also understand why you think Redknapp is god. In the land of the blind the one eyed Cyclops is God. Since being a Spurs fan, you’ve never seen a decent manager lead Spurs out of the dugout (decent, as in the calibre of Rowe, Nicholson and Burkinshaw) . Therefore, I do sympathise with you new comers. But I do hope that someday, in your life time, you, along with the rest of us, will see what made Spurs into a magic team.

I do believe that Spurs are capable of winning the league and other trophies and that they can and will emulate the Spurs of the past. However, to achieve that we do need a new stadium, the right players and manager.

Some very good points. Another thought to ponder. Bill Nicholson stated that Spurs would never have won the double without Danny Blanchflower. He was the leader of a World Class side, on and off the pitch. He was Bill's right hand man. Fast forward 5 years, Dave Mackay took over the reins. Then Steve Perryman, Garry Mabbutt, Graham Roberts. All Spurs men through and through. Michael Dawson was the next best though he was never top drawer in my opinion.
Who do we have now ? Youness Kaboul !!! Can't even get in the side. That for me is Pochettino's biggest headache. If he is going to prove his worth at Spurs, he needs to find a leader, and personally I don't think that special person is within our ranks at the moment. We desperately need a John Terry/Tony Adams/Roy Keane type of person.

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Re: Spurs are a laughing stock - Comolli
« Reply #44 on: December 16, 2014, 04:09:02 PM »

That is very true and you can’t argue with that (and it is simple to understand). However, I simply say; what did we win and how high did we end up? If you just want nice football then I will give you that, however, as a Spurs fan I don’t want us to be also runs (or just known as nice). I want us to win trophies, win the league, and be permanently in the top 4. There wasn’t one name that was mentioned that could help us achieve that goal. I suppose my fault, where Spurs are concerned, is that my heights have a higher bar than your nice football is set at, and I won’t apologise for that. But to be fair I remember the push and run and the famous teams that were created by Bill Nicholson or even Keith Burkinshaw (and all those teams won trophies, only Burkinshaw never won the league), where you only have your “30 years” of the best football YOU’VE ever seen. Of course I have seen better football in those 30 years, sadly, not by Spurs.

I won't apologise for only being alive and watching Spurs for 30 years either. But lets be crystal clear about one thing. You do not want spurs to win more than me, the same maybe, and that desire for winning has nothing to do with the nice football you mentioned, although it is a preference. ( I would like us to win the title, even if the football was boring at first, like Chelsea the first time, but then I would want the nice football to return). Actually, nice has nothing to do with it. What I want to see is high quality football, which is able to win games. We were on the right track with Harry. He may or may not have been able to take us further given more time and more money. Everyone can think what that will on that, it is hypothetical and again irrelevant. However, what absolutely needed to happen after Levy made that inspired decision (or blind fools gamble), was for the next manager to be someone who could keep us moving in the right direction. He failed miserably. That is the sad truth of it. We went backwards. First in the style of play (the nice football stopped), then the results, then the quality of the squad went down and now we are two more managers in and still travelling in the opposite direction to the one we all want.

To be fair I understand where you are coming from. Where Paul Finch, Don and myself remember the Glory days and the real Spurs magic your starting date (30 years ago) starts in 1984. Which was the end of Burkinshaw era and the last time Spurs won any decent trophies (even though they did win three cups within your time; 2 x League and 1 FA Cup). I also understand why you think Redknapp is god. In the land of the blind the one eyed Cyclops is God. Since being a Spurs fan, you’ve never seen a decent manager lead Spurs out of the dugout (decent, as in the calibre of Rowe, Nicholson and Burkinshaw) . Therefore, I do sympathise with you new comers. But I do hope that someday, in your life time, you, along with the rest of us, will see what made Spurs into a magic team.

I do believe that Spurs are capable of winning the league and other trophies and that they can and will emulate the Spurs of the past. However, to achieve that we do need a new stadium, the right players and manager.

Some very good points. Another thought to ponder. Bill Nicholson stated that Spurs would never have won the double without Danny Blanchflower. He was the leader of a World Class side, on and off the pitch. He was Bill's right hand man. Fast forward 5 years, Dave Mackay took over the reins. Then Steve Perryman, Garry Mabbutt, Graham Roberts. All Spurs men through and through. Michael Dawson was the next best though he was never top drawer in my opinion.
Who do we have now ? Youness Kaboul !!! Can't even get in the side. That for me is Pochettino's biggest headache. If he is going to prove his worth at Spurs, he needs to find a leader, and personally I don't think that special person is within our ranks at the moment. We desperately need a John Terry/Tony Adams/Roy Keane type of person.

You are right about Blanchflower and having the right players in position. A good manager could take us into the top 4, however, he would also need the right players to get us the league.
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