2 years wasted!

[toadlad]

Ever since Levy sacked Harry, and in hindsight we would be better off if he hadn't, Levy has made some terrible mistakes which have set us back years. Looking at the manager and 25 man squad from then to now it's very depressing and frustrating. I know some transfers are inevitable, but this is just to highlight the change for 2 players in every position and a simple yes or no to whether it was a success. I'm not saying I don't rate the players, just whether they have proved better or as good as than their predecessor so far!

Harry > Avb = No
Gomes > Lloris = Yes
Friedel
Walker
Naughton
Dawson
King > Vertonghen = Yes
Kaboul
Caulker > Chiriches = No
Ekotto > Fryers = No
Rose
Lennon
Dos Santos > Lamela = No
Modric > Dembele = No
Huddlestone > Paulinho = No
Sandro
Parker > Capoue = No
Bale > Chadli = No
Townsend
Van der Vaart > Eriksen = Yes
Kranjcar > Sigurdsson = No
Defoe > Soldado = No
Adebayor

Far too many No's.
Rumours of Hugo and Jan leaving for champions league just makes it worse too. Huddlestone is the biggest mistake for me though of who we chose to sell, as he made us play football and us why we are worse at home now as we don't use the ball well with the majority of possession. The next manager has a huge job on their hands looks like another summer of re building, but most of the new players will have a better 2nd season, they can't get worse that's for sure!

[Chelmsford_yid]

Sorry but I would have Paulinho over Huddlestone any day.

[Metalanimal]

Due to events and lack of loyalty shown to our great club Arry had to go, it was his own doing.  I will admit we did great with his guidance unlike many other clubs he has managed so it just goes to show the talent he had available.

Looking at the list, I would argue that Chiriches (when fit) is a more effective defender and brings more to the team than Caulker, however I was disappointed to see Caulker sold as he certainly had a role with us and was one a future first team starter!

Paulinho far better than Huddlestone there is no comparison but again on his day Huddlestone can make things happen but he was just so slow and his fitness was a major issue!

Dembele is not a play maker and as such Modric has yet to be replaced.

Eriksen needs more game time and to prove he is an equal or better replacement for VDV.

The rest of would agree with.

[dimexi]

I would have to say that Huddlestone was no great loss for the team. On his day he showed some class, but too static. I would also have put Huddlestone > Capoue and then it would be a close yes/no. If you put Parker > Paulinho I think they are closer in style and on their impact on a game, but I would still call that a no. The lose of an equivalent Parker, for me is one of the key problems with our midfield.

Also agree with metal that Dembele is no replacement for Modric. So that also needs to happen to sort out the midfield balance. The rest of the list I agree with.

(oh and give me Harry's mythical lack of loyalty over this mess any day of the week)

[Metalanimal]

I would have to say that Huddlestone was no great loss for the team. On his day he showed some class, but too static. I would also have put Huddlestone > Capoue and then it would be a close yes/no. If you put Parker > Paulinho I think they are closer in style and on their impact on a game, but I would still call that a no. The lose of an equivalent Parker, for me is one of the key problems with our midfield.

Also agree with metal that Dembele is no replacement for Modric. So that also needs to happen to sort out the midfield balance. The rest of the list I agree with.

(oh and give me Harry's mythical lack of loyalty over this mess any day of the week)

If Arry was loyal we wouldn't have slipped those 10 points whilst he was waiting for the news to break that he was next England boss and couldn't give a toss about us, if he was loyal he would have accepted Levys improved contract offer to fend off England but no and we know the outcome!  I would have great respect if he came out and said something to commit to us instead no the Arthur Daily of football was looking for his next profile raising story, done well since hasnt he!

In the last 2 years we have gone backwards, not so much wasted time but time badly managed by the powers that be at the club.

[spursjoolz]

Sorry but I would have Paulinho over Huddlestone any day.

Me too. No contest there

[dimexi]

If Arry was loyal we wouldn't have slipped those 10 points whilst he was waiting for the news to break that he was next England boss and couldn't give a toss about us, if he was loyal he would have accepted Levys improved contract offer to fend off England but no and we know the outcome!  I would have great respect if he came out and said something to commit to us instead no the Arthur Daily of football was looking for his next profile raising story, done well since hasnt he!

In the last 2 years we have gone backwards, not so much wasted time but time badly managed by the powers that be at the club.

If Harry was loyal, then he would have been a spurs supporter as a boy and all through his life, then his actions could be considered disloyal. I just think we disagree on his right to want to be England manager. For him that would have been the pinnacle of his career and I would have preferred him to be England manager than have Hodgson. I also think that had he been given that job, our transition to the next manager would have been far more positive.

I still blame the FA and Levy trying to turn the situation into a money making exercise again, over Harry's desire to lead the country to a world cup.

[toadlad]

Paulinho is still to show his best, but no doubting his class. Hudd could have played with him. If not Hudd, then we haven't bought another ball player, and against Benfica it showed more than ever! I thought it was Avb's slow/negative tactics, but there is something lacking from our rhythm. Levy's next appointment is the most important ever now, I just hope he gets an experienced manager who can sign his own players!

[spursjoolz]

Ever since Levy sacked Harry, and in hindsight we would be better off if he hadn't, Levy has made some terrible mistakes which have set us back years. Looking at the manager and 25 man squad from then to now it's very depressing and frustrating. I know some transfers are inevitable, but this is just to highlight the change for 2 players in every position and a simple yes or no to whether it was a success. I'm not saying I don't rate the players, just whether they have proved better or as good as than their predecessor so far!

As a Spurs supporter for as far back as I can remember. "2 years wasted" is an understatement. Way before Harry took over,  we had Gross, Ardiles (great player, bad manager unfortunately), a Gooner who shall remain nameless, Santini,  Ramos and probably a few others who were all pretty useless. It would be hard to find a manager/coach who has made difference to our club in the past 30 years, bar Venables & Pleat imo. So, "rebuilding" has been an almost yearly event and will no doubt carry on for many more years to come.

Will we see Spurs win the League in the next 10 years?

[yidmafioso]

Completely agree with everything said about harry .He would have bailed on spurs if he was offered the england job and when he wasn`t he all of a sudden wanted to sign a new contract .Hopefully he`ll be stuck in the championship for a while to teach him a lesson .I also agree with 99% of what spursjoolz says .Rebuilding should be our motto instead of audere est facere .However , one thing i do disagree with is the bit about "the gooner who shall remain nameless". He was undermined by the board and forced out .While he was in charge we saw a renaissance at white hart lane .We were a team to be feared again and had he been give some decent money to spend i think he would have been in charge for a good spell .Everything that has gone wrong at spurs can be traced back to levy .To be successful we need stability and consistency and we wont get that with him in charge .

[spursjoolz]

I do not totally disagree with the Gooner's mini renaissance, but all said and done, he was a Gooner through and through and would never  have been a fan. The fact that he was appointed at all was a great shock to many. Furthermore, he has been slagging us ever since on the few times I have seenhim  on TV.

[Blackjack]

I am a little shocked by the amount of people who blame Harry!, lets not forget it, we were bottom of the league near the end of November with just TWO points! and he turned a relagation looking team into finishing 8th! , remarkable I think, He saved our future because I hate to think what might have happened had we gone down!!!. After the that we never finished below 5th, finishing 4th TWICE!, we where playing some wonderful football and we had become a regular team in Europe!, not to say a debut in the champions league!, He brought more hope to me in believing we where closing in on challenging for the league, bit by bit, slowly and surely we started getting better and better!!, we still had hick ups but we where giving as good as we got . Im not trying to turn Harry into a marter or anything Im just saying we should be thanking him and praising him!. Sure the court case and the England job was a distraction but it was still the same players doing the buissness on the pitch!, not him.
I dont blame Harry for wanting the England job either, any English manager would want it!, the high of the carrers!!!. He was the best of the crop at the time and its a shame he never got it, what he did do is mix experience and quality with youth and got a good blend and we saw the results on the pitch!, now with so many changes we have unbalance, players arguring on the pitch, most of the new players are not good enough or dont understand there job, the older experienced players dont seem to care now either!, it is as if they have decided to let someone else take the lead, World cup year has not helped either as the players are not giving 110% as they dont want to risk there place in there national team through injury. This lack of desire and determination is having a domino effect on the team as whole!, and this is why it is paramount that a leader on the pitch need to be found, I feel sorry for Sherwood he is giving everything but the players are just not in the right frame of mind, they too quickly revert back to bad habbits and old ways when things are not going there way!, the youngsters are getting the wrong signals aswell, they see the badness on the pitch and put that into there game and so our team is spiralling on a downward  path . Tim has the passion but alas not the experience or the players so this is going to end bad for him , what ashame I really like him,  I dont see any quick fix!, I dont see any real flare in our team, I dont see us scoring many goals anymore, I dont see us keeping clean sheets! as the more the team keeps blaming itself and wellowing in self pitty rather than just getting on with there jobs there paid to do we are deemed to keep failing. As shown above, looking back at the players we have let go it totally baffles you!, This is very very bad management right from the top!, Levy may well have thought he was running a good buissness bt how much of an investment is it when we keep falling!!!, our shares go down!!!, our revenue drops when once again we struggle to even finish top 7!, He may think OK il just bring somebody else in and he will get us back on track! lol, does he really believe that Van Gaal will wave a magic wand and things will be back to what they where?, wake up and smell the coffee Mr Levy!, it wouldnt surprise me one bit that when it comes to appointing another manager those faithfulls of his will have switched sides and gone elsewhere or suddenly no longer want the job!, knowing they are deemed to fail and this will leave a bad blip on there own CVs!!!, How do they expect to lure the required quality of player needed? where are the funds going to come from with no superstar strutting millions of dollars on the pitch with a FOR SALE sign on him saying! come and get Real, M.U, Barcelona etc.!!!!, are you getting the picture here?!!! things could not be much worse since Harry left and the most worrying part of all is, who do we know that we really think is good enough to motivate the players, experienced enough to ween out the deadwood!, stop all the perks and nice stuff the players get?. get them playing football 24/7. eat football!sleep football!!! stand up and become a player worthy of the Spurs shirt. Is there such a manager? I cant think of anyone really, not like when we new Harry was coming!, the buzz around the ground! , the gossip of us fans thinking we going places!!, all this seems but a faint memory

[dimexi]

I am a little shocked by the amount of people who blame Harry!, lets not forget it, we were bottom of the league near the end of November with just TWO points! and he turned a relagation looking team into finishing 8th! , remarkable I think, He saved our future because I hate to think what might have happened had we gone down!!!. After the that we never finished below 5th, finishing 4th TWICE!, we where playing some wonderful football and we had become a regular team in Europe!, not to say a debut in the champions league!, He brought more hope to me in believing we where closing in on challenging for the league, bit by bit, slowly and surely we started getting better and better!!, we still had hick ups but we where giving as good as we got . Im not trying to turn Harry into a marter or anything Im just saying we should be thanking him and praising him!. Sure the court case and the England job was a distraction but it was still the same players doing the buissness on the pitch!, not him.
I dont blame Harry for wanting the England job either, any English manager would want it!, the high of the carrers!!!. He was the best of the crop at the time and its a shame he never got it, what he did do is mix experience and quality with youth and got a good blend and we saw the results on the pitch!, now with so many changes we have unbalance, players arguring on the pitch, most of the new players are not good enough or dont understand there job, the older experienced players dont seem to care now either!, it is as if they have decided to let someone else take the lead, World cup year has not helped either as the players are not giving 110% as they dont want to risk there place in there national team through injury. This lack of desire and determination is having a domino effect on the team as whole!, and this is why it is paramount that a leader on the pitch need to be found, I feel sorry for Sherwood he is giving everything but the players are just not in the right frame of mind, they too quickly revert back to bad habbits and old ways when things are not going there way!, the youngsters are getting the wrong signals aswell, they see the badness on the pitch and put that into there game and so our team is spiralling on a downward  path . Tim has the passion but alas not the experience or the players so this is going to end bad for him , what ashame I really like him,  I dont see any quick fix!, I dont see any real flare in our team, I dont see us scoring many goals anymore, I dont see us keeping clean sheets! as the more the team keeps blaming itself and wellowing in self pitty rather than just getting on with there jobs there paid to do we are deemed to keep failing. As shown above, looking back at the players we have let go it totally baffles you!, This is very very bad management right from the top!, Levy may well have thought he was running a good buissness bt how much of an investment is it when we keep falling!!!, our shares go down!!!, our revenue drops when once again we struggle to even finish top 7!, He may think OK il just bring somebody else in and he will get us back on track! lol, does he really believe that Van Gaal will wave a magic wand and things will be back to what they where?, wake up and smell the coffee Mr Levy!, it wouldnt surprise me one bit that when it comes to appointing another manager those faithfulls of his will have switched sides and gone elsewhere or suddenly no longer want the job!, knowing they are deemed to fail and this will leave a bad blip on there own CVs!!!, How do they expect to lure the required quality of player needed? where are the funds going to come from with no superstar strutting millions of dollars on the pitch with a FOR SALE sign on him saying! come and get Real, M.U, Barcelona etc.!!!!, are you getting the picture here?!!! things could not be much worse since Harry left and the most worrying part of all is, who do we know that we really think is good enough to motivate the players, experienced enough to ween out the deadwood!, stop all the perks and nice stuff the players get?. get them playing football 24/7. eat football!sleep football!!! stand up and become a player worthy of the Spurs shirt. Is there such a manager? I cant think of anyone really, not like when we new Harry was coming!, the buzz around the ground! , the gossip of us fans thinking we going places!!, all this seems but a faint memory

There is only one man who could do the job required... We need Harry back, it is as simple as that. Not only would it sort the team out on the pitch, having Levy saying I got it wrong and eating humble pie would send the right signal to us very disillusioned fans.

[Paul Finch]

I am a little shocked by the amount of people who blame Harry!, lets not forget it, we were bottom of the league near the end of November with just TWO points! and he turned a relagation looking team into finishing 8th! , remarkable I think, He saved our future because I hate to think what might have happened had we gone down!!!. After the that we never finished below 5th, finishing 4th TWICE!, we where playing some wonderful football and we had become a regular team in Europe!, not to say a debut in the champions league!, He brought more hope to me in believing we where closing in on challenging for the league, bit by bit, slowly and surely we started getting better and better!!, we still had hick ups but we where giving as good as we got . Im not trying to turn Harry into a marter or anything Im just saying we should be thanking him and praising him!. Sure the court case and the England job was a distraction but it was still the same players doing the buissness on the pitch!, not him.
I dont blame Harry for wanting the England job either, any English manager would want it!, the high of the carrers!!!. He was the best of the crop at the time and its a shame he never got it, what he did do is mix experience and quality with youth and got a good blend and we saw the results on the pitch!, now with so many changes we have unbalance, players arguring on the pitch, most of the new players are not good enough or dont understand there job, the older experienced players dont seem to care now either!, it is as if they have decided to let someone else take the lead, World cup year has not helped either as the players are not giving 110% as they dont want to risk there place in there national team through injury. This lack of desire and determination is having a domino effect on the team as whole!, and this is why it is paramount that a leader on the pitch need to be found, I feel sorry for Sherwood he is giving everything but the players are just not in the right frame of mind, they too quickly revert back to bad habbits and old ways when things are not going there way!, the youngsters are getting the wrong signals aswell, they see the badness on the pitch and put that into there game and so our team is spiralling on a downward  path . Tim has the passion but alas not the experience or the players so this is going to end bad for him , what ashame I really like him,  I dont see any quick fix!, I dont see any real flare in our team, I dont see us scoring many goals anymore, I dont see us keeping clean sheets! as the more the team keeps blaming itself and wellowing in self pitty rather than just getting on with there jobs there paid to do we are deemed to keep failing. As shown above, looking back at the players we have let go it totally baffles you!, This is very very bad management right from the top!, Levy may well have thought he was running a good buissness bt how much of an investment is it when we keep falling!!!, our shares go down!!!, our revenue drops when once again we struggle to even finish top 7!, He may think OK il just bring somebody else in and he will get us back on track! lol, does he really believe that Van Gaal will wave a magic wand and things will be back to what they where?, wake up and smell the coffee Mr Levy!, it wouldnt surprise me one bit that when it comes to appointing another manager those faithfulls of his will have switched sides and gone elsewhere or suddenly no longer want the job!, knowing they are deemed to fail and this will leave a bad blip on there own CVs!!!, How do they expect to lure the required quality of player needed? where are the funds going to come from with no superstar strutting millions of dollars on the pitch with a FOR SALE sign on him saying! come and get Real, M.U, Barcelona etc.!!!!, are you getting the picture here?!!! things could not be much worse since Harry left and the most worrying part of all is, who do we know that we really think is good enough to motivate the players, experienced enough to ween out the deadwood!, stop all the perks and nice stuff the players get?. get them playing football 24/7. eat football!sleep football!!! stand up and become a player worthy of the Spurs shirt. Is there such a manager? I cant think of anyone really, not like when we new Harry was coming!, the buzz around the ground! , the gossip of us fans thinking we going places!!, all this seems but a faint memory

There is only one man who could do the job required... We need Harry back, it is as simple as that. Not only would it sort the team out on the pitch, having Levy saying I got it wrong and eating humble pie would send the right signal to us very disillusioned fans.

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        Whilst I tend to agree with you Dimexi, but that would be like  'Shutting the gate after the Horse has bolted' and Levy would never admit he was wrong, imo what needs to happen is for there to be a bloody good clearout starting right from the very TOP(Levy), because until that idiot goes this will continue happening.

       Blackjack, I totally agree with your post, and have said as much in the past, isn't it every manager/coach's ultimate aim to be the coach of his national team? 
         

[RSS61]

I would have to say that Huddlestone was no great loss for the team. On his day he showed some class, but too static. I would also have put Huddlestone > Capoue and then it would be a close yes/no. If you put Parker > Paulinho I think they are closer in style and on their impact on a game, but I would still call that a no. The lose of an equivalent Parker, for me is one of the key problems with our midfield.

Also agree with metal that Dembele is no replacement for Modric. So that also needs to happen to sort out the midfield balance. The rest of the list I agree with.

(oh and give me Harry's mythical lack of loyalty over this mess any day of the week)

If Arry was loyal we wouldn't have slipped those 10 points whilst he was waiting for the news to break that he was next England boss and couldn't give a toss about us, if he was loyal he would have accepted Levys improved contract offer to fend off England but no and we know the outcome!  I would have great respect if he came out and said something to commit to us instead no the Arthur Daily of football was looking for his next profile raising story, done well since hasnt he!

In the last 2 years we have gone backwards, not so much wasted time but time badly managed by the powers that be at the club.

IMO Metal you are spot on, with all these points