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Our first 3 games .....
« on: September 02, 2012, 11:37:35 AM »
Ok so we have played our 3rd League Match under AVB's guidance and so far we haven't won a game. Many of you are going to be of the opinion that he has to be given time and now that the transfer window is closed and we have re shuffled our squad things should improve. There is also a general consensus of opinion that AVB is tactically superior to 'Arry and it's going to take time for him to implement his system of play at the club.
 
Well I'd just like to point out one or two things that I have noticed in our opening games...
 
1. For the second week running we have started with Jermaine Defoe as our one and only striker, and although I think JD is an excellent goalscorer he is not a lone striker / frontman. This is even more surprising as we have Adebayor sat on the bench who is funnily enough able to play the lone striker role extremely well !! But I hear you all shout Adebayor isn't match fit..... so how the hell is going to get match fit by sitting on the bench, I was under the impression that you play him for an hour then take him off and build his match time up over a few games.
 
2. We have played WBA and Norwich at HOME and we started both games with two holding midfield players !!!! I mean no disrespect to either team but we should be taking them apart at home with fluid attacking football (much like the football we have been used to over the last 2-3 seasons). So why the defensive pairing in midfield why the negative approach at home, what does this actually gain us ...... nothing but it allows the opposition the opportunity to effectively police our attacks especially when our fullbacks don't get forward.
 
3. In both games we have scored first and as soon as we have scored AVB has taken of an attacker and bought on another midfielder to tighen up and hold on to what we have..... and invited pressure straight on to us. This has resulted in both teams scoring against us in the last few minutes as our defensive unit slowly crawls backwards towards it's own 18 yard line !!! In fact the only good thing to come out of the opening 3 games is the form of Brad Friedel because without him we wouldn't have any points at all !!! Funny AVB's gonna tell him he's dropped now that we have Lloris, wonder how that's going to down in the dressing room !!!
 
The whole high line high pressure system is fine..... if you are playing in Europe, let's say Spain, Portugal, Italy or even France because the football in these leagues is shall we say less physical, powerful and pacey. The system just does not work in the Premier League due to the high tempo and aggressive style played in this country, it may well work against the better teams but against teams already fighting for every point it just breaks down and players find themselves in trouble !!!
 
AVB tactically aware and better than Redknapp, maybe but at least with 'Arry we played to our strengths and took the game to teams especially at home and we all felt the only thing that was missing was a quality striker !!!! AVB seems to unable to learn from his mistakes and even more disturbingly seems unprepared to admit them too !!!!
 
Once we were all crying out for a quality Striker.........Now I fear we are missing a hell of alot more !!!!
 
The team seems to have lost it's heart and it's passion, and I don't see AVB being able to replace that with his logical and systematic approach, he just isn't a man motivator !!!!!
 
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Re: Our first 3 games .....
« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2012, 12:10:07 PM »
Ok so we have played our 3rd League Match under AVB's guidance and so far we haven't won a game. Many of you are going to be of the opinion that he has to be given time and now that the transfer window is closed and we have re shuffled our squad things should improve. There is also a general consensus of opinion that AVB is tactically superior to 'Arry and it's going to take time for him to implement his system of play at the club.
 
Well I'd just like to point out one or two things that I have noticed in our opening games...
 
1. For the second week running we have started with Jermaine Defoe as our one and only striker, and although I think JD is an excellent goalscorer he is not a lone striker / frontman. This is even more surprising as we have Adebayor sat on the bench who is funnily enough able to play the lone striker role extremely well !! But I hear you all shout Adebayor isn't match fit..... so how the hell is going to get match fit by sitting on the bench, I was under the impression that you play him for an hour then take him off and build his match time up over a few games.
 
2. We have played WBA and Norwich at HOME and we started both games with two holding midfield players !!!! I mean no disrespect to either team but we should be taking them apart at home with fluid attacking football (much like the football we have been used to over the last 2-3 seasons). So why the defensive pairing in midfield why the negative approach at home, what does this actually gain us ...... nothing but it allows the opposition the opportunity to effectively police our attacks especially when our fullbacks don't get forward.
 
3. In both games we have scored first and as soon as we have scored AVB has taken of an attacker and bought on another midfielder to tighen up and hold on to what we have..... and invited pressure straight on to us. This has resulted in both teams scoring against us in the last few minutes as our defensive unit slowly crawls backwards towards it's own 18 yard line !!! In fact the only good thing to come out of the opening 3 games is the form of Brad Friedel because without him we wouldn't have any points at all !!! Funny AVB's gonna tell him he's dropped now that we have Lloris, wonder how that's going to down in the dressing room !!!
 
The whole high line high pressure system is fine..... if you are playing in Europe, let's say Spain, Portugal, Italy or even France because the football in these leagues is shall we say less physical, powerful and pacey. The system just does not work in the Premier League due to the high tempo and aggressive style played in this country, it may well work against the better teams but against teams already fighting for every point it just breaks down and players find themselves in trouble !!!
 
AVB tactically aware and better than Redknapp, maybe but at least with 'Arry we played to our strengths and took the game to teams especially at home and we all felt the only thing that was missing was a quality striker !!!! AVB seems to unable to learn from his mistakes and even more disturbingly seems unprepared to admit them too !!!!
 
Once we were all crying out for a quality Striker.........Now I fear we are missing a hell of alot more !!!!
 
The team seems to have lost it's heart and it's passion, and I don't see AVB being able to replace that with his logical and systematic approach, he just isn't a man motivator !!!!!
 
 :'(
I agree with pretty much everything you wrote, ugs.

1. Defoe's height is 1.67m, exactly the same as my wife. Using him as the lone striker is as reasonable as using him as the holding midfielder. He cannot challenge for headers, he cannot tackle, he is relatively poor passer and his small stature means he is hardly a intimidating figure one lone striker should be. Defoe is one of the best finishers in the league but how is he supposed to score goals when he cannot get the ball. We have Adebayor, but that means we cannot play two strikers at the same time because we only have two strikers. Even Kane was loaned out. Bloody genius, Levy!

2. Looking our squad, we actually don't have many attacking midfielders left. Kranjčar, van der Vaart and Modrić are all gone. Sigurdsson and Dembele are attacking midfielders, other ones we have, not so much.

3. We used to give Harry slack for f**king up substitutions on occasions, but the fact we have thrown away our slim leads ine every game, is simply pathetic. Every decent manager knows you cannot start defending a one goal lead (unless you're Italian).

All in all I am not sure whether this really is just a slow start (new manager, new players just added, many players sold/loaned out) or is it actually as good as it gets. I won't be calling for Villas-Boas' head after three games but I can't say I'm too optimistic. We play Reading away in two weeks and should we cock that one up... I don't know.

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Re: Our first 3 games .....
« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2012, 05:47:30 PM »
Ugs cant disagree mate, I am staying hopeful that its early days and the players are still adapting to our new style.

We need to be picking up our first win very soon or I fear for moral and belief within the team, and also not to sure how AVB handles such pressure!  More on him here than at Chelsea really, as at Chelsea  managers were not delivering what the owner wanted so out they went one after another.  At Spurs we have made huge leaps forward  under HR and are expected to be title challengers very shortly and make the CL this season.  Key players such as Modders and VdV gone big changes and more pressure on AVB.

AVB wont have an endless transfer kitty with us and also he gave up his pay off from Chelski so he must be confident he can achieve something with us if he fails it is as good as his top flight career over and if we have a poor season say goodbye to our remaining key players and we go back to building from scratch whilst being in the middle table wilderness, but I am sure that wont happen! 
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Re: Our first 3 games .....
« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2012, 07:08:44 PM »
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AVB wont have an endless transfer kitty with us and also he gave up his pay off from Chelski so he must be confident he can achieve something with us if he fails it is as good as his top flight career over and if we have a poor season say goodbye to our remaining key players and we go back to building from scratch whilst being in the middle table wilderness, but I am sure that wont happen!
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Watch this space then
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Re: Our first 3 games .....
« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2012, 07:40:24 AM »
. We have played WBA and Norwich at HOME and we started both games with two holding midfield players !!!! I mean no disrespect to either team but we should be taking them apart at home with fluid attacking football (much like the football we have been used to over the last 2-3 seasons). So why the defensive pairing in midfield why the negative approach at home, what does this actually gain us ...... nothing but it allows the opposition the opportunity to effectively police our attacks especially when our fullbacks don't get forward.

I see, what taking them apart like we did last season you mean ?


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Re: Our first 3 games .....
« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2012, 03:23:48 PM »
. We have played WBA and Norwich at HOME and we started both games with two holding midfield players !!!! I mean no disrespect to either team but we should be taking them apart at home with fluid attacking football (much like the football we have been used to over the last 2-3 seasons). So why the defensive pairing in midfield why the negative approach at home, what does this actually gain us ...... nothing but it allows the opposition the opportunity to effectively police our attacks especially when our fullbacks don't get forward.

I see, what taking them apart like we did last season you mean ?



Most of last season at home we rocked even when we were in the middle of our bad run we were still playing quality football getting it down and creating lots of chances..... as I stated in the first post we all wanted a world class striker.
 
At the moment we are not looking good in fact we are looking bloody awful and to be honest our tactics are abysmal too !!!!
 
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Re: Our first 3 games .....
« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2012, 10:41:09 PM »
So tha't it then! throw in the towel. Sack AVB and hope when we go down we are third from bottom on goal diff to show that at least we had a go!

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Re: Our first 3 games .....
« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2012, 10:50:08 PM »
So tha't it then! throw in the towel. Sack AVB and hope when we go down we are third from bottom on goal diff to show that at least we had a go!

So your totally happy with AVB and his tactics, team selection and general start too the season and you can see us progressing ?
 
I never mentioned sacking AVB but seeing as you bought it up.............. wonder what the odds are on AVB being sacked and 'Arry coming back ?
 
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Re: Our first 3 games .....
« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2012, 05:11:47 AM »
So tha't it then! throw in the towel. Sack AVB and hope when we go down we are third from bottom on goal diff to show that at least we had a go!
wonder what the odds are on AVB being sacked and 'Arry coming back ?
 
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« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2012, 05:59:05 PM »
So tha't it then! throw in the towel. Sack AVB and hope when we go down we are third from bottom on goal diff to show that at least we had a go!

So your totally happy with AVB and his tactics, team selection and general start too the season and you can see us progressing ?
 
I never mentioned sacking AVB but seeing as you bought it up.............. wonder what the odds are on AVB being sacked and 'Arry coming back ?
 
 :call:

Any Spurs that knows anything about football would want Arry back. Regrettably I have to say there are less of those than you may think. Anyway, it won't happen because your friend and mine (Mr Levy) couldn't get Arry to take it up the Arse. AVB on the other hand will bend over the table, swallow when asked, and no doubt will cook his meals when requested. 
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Re: Our first 3 games .....
« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2012, 04:35:01 PM »


"Any Spurs that knows anything about football would want Arry back. Regrettably I have to say there are less of those than you may think. "
 

I Don't think there were many people who wanted Harry out it and doesn't take a genius to work out it was rash and we are now seriously paying for it.

But why the heck are you having a dig at us other spurs supporters for? Yes it was wrong to sack Harry but thats happened now.
Do you honestly believe any spurs fan is currently watching and thinking that everything is rosey? Nothing wrong in backing the current team and manager, more so now that the team needs a bit of support.
 
The constant moaning is seriously getting boring..Yes we know you think the gaffer is s**t, but come on mate are you just trying to get a rise out of everyone here?
 
This forum has turned in to a joke, spurs fan site? more like come and s**t on spurs more like it.
 
 
« Last Edit: September 05, 2012, 04:37:20 PM by pieboy »

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Re: Our first 3 games .....
« Reply #11 on: September 05, 2012, 07:39:10 PM »


"Any Spurs that knows anything about football would want Arry back. Regrettably I have to say there are less of those than you may think. "
 

I Don't think there were many people who wanted Harry out it and doesn't take a genius to work out it was rash and we are now seriously paying for it.

But why the heck are you having a dig at us other spurs supporters for? Yes it was wrong to sack Harry but thats happened now.
Do you honestly believe any spurs fan is currently watching and thinking that everything is rosey? Nothing wrong in backing the current team and manager, more so now that the team needs a bit of support.
 
The constant moaning is seriously getting boring..Yes we know you think the gaffer is s**t, but come on mate are you just trying to get a rise out of everyone here?
 
This forum has turned in to a joke, spurs fan site? more like come and s**t on spurs more like it.

This is a forum, and a forum is a place for different opinions, not somewhere people come and just say great things about the team they support.

Let's put the AVB thing another way shall we. You work for a large telecommunications company and the managing director is looking for very senior head of department. There are lots of applications, however the man he decides to employ has a strange CV. He worked in Portugal and had a successful career, albeit with a company that had done well for many years.   He then came over to England and was employed by an English company doing much the same thing. His record with this company was terrible and he demoralised many of the experienced and well thought of staff. He was sacked after 7 months. As the director of this company, would you employ the person in question ?

I wouldn't, but I think I know someone who would !!

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Re: Our first 3 games .....
« Reply #12 on: September 05, 2012, 08:47:12 PM »


"Any Spurs that knows anything about football would want Arry back. Regrettably I have to say there are less of those than you may think. "
 

I Don't think there were many people who wanted Harry out it and doesn't take a genius to work out it was rash and we are now seriously paying for it.

But why the heck are you having a dig at us other spurs supporters for? Yes it was wrong to sack Harry but thats happened now.
Do you honestly believe any spurs fan is currently watching and thinking that everything is rosey? Nothing wrong in backing the current team and manager, more so now that the team needs a bit of support.
 
The constant moaning is seriously getting boring..Yes we know you think the gaffer is s**t, but come on mate are you just trying to get a rise out of everyone here?
 
This forum has turned in to a joke, spurs fan site? more like come and s**t on spurs more like it.

This is a forum, and a forum is a place for different opinions, not somewhere people come and just say great things about the team they support.

Let's put the AVB thing another way shall we. You work for a large telecommunications company and the managing director is looking for very senior head of department. There are lots of applications, however the man he decides to employ has a strange CV. He worked in Portugal and had a successful career, albeit with a company that had done well for many years.   He then came over to England and was employed by an English company doing much the same thing. His record with this company was terrible and he demoralised many of the experienced and well thought of staff. He was sacked after 7 months. As the director of this company, would you employ the person in question ?

I wouldn't, but I think I know someone who would !!
But that shouldn't be the case anymore. None of us are members of the board of directors at Spurs and therefore fans can protest as much as they want but the manager won't be sacked simply because of that. Was George Graham sacked? No. At the moment, what's done is done.

I consider myself to be a benevolent individual and therefore I really hope Villas-Boas will do well for us. If he doesn't he will be sacked, simple as that. Yes, our start has been discouraging but some of our rivals have had bad starts too and everything is not lost yet.

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Re: Our first 3 games .....
« Reply #13 on: September 06, 2012, 11:56:33 AM »


"Any Spurs that knows anything about football would want Arry back. Regrettably I have to say there are less of those than you may think. "
 

I Don't think there were many people who wanted Harry out it and doesn't take a genius to work out it was rash and we are now seriously paying for it.

But why the heck are you having a dig at us other spurs supporters for? Yes it was wrong to sack Harry but thats happened now.
Do you honestly believe any spurs fan is currently watching and thinking that everything is rosey? Nothing wrong in backing the current team and manager, more so now that the team needs a bit of support.
 
The constant moaning is seriously getting boring..Yes we know you think the gaffer is s**t, but come on mate are you just trying to get a rise out of everyone here?
 
This forum has turned in to a joke, spurs fan site? more like come and s**t on spurs more like it.

This is a forum, and a forum is a place for different opinions, not somewhere people come and just say great things about the team they support.

Let's put the AVB thing another way shall we. You work for a large telecommunications company and the managing director is looking for very senior head of department. There are lots of applications, however the man he decides to employ has a strange CV. He worked in Portugal and had a successful career, albeit with a company that had done well for many years.   He then came over to England and was employed by an English company doing much the same thing. His record with this company was terrible and he demoralised many of the experienced and well thought of staff. He was sacked after 7 months. As the director of this company, would you employ the person in question ?

I wouldn't, but I think I know someone who would !!
But that shouldn't be the case anymore. None of us are members of the board of directors at Spurs and therefore fans can protest as much as they want but the manager won't be sacked simply because of that. Was George Graham sacked? No. At the moment, what's done is done.

I consider myself to be a benevolent individual and therefore I really hope Villas-Boas will do well for us. If he doesn't he will be sacked, simple as that. Yes, our start has been discouraging but some of our rivals have had bad starts too and everything is not lost yet.

George Graham was sacked by Levy, what are you talking about ?
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Re: Our first 3 games .....
« Reply #14 on: September 06, 2012, 01:30:06 PM »


"Any Spurs that knows anything about football would want Arry back. Regrettably I have to say there are less of those than you may think. "
 

I Don't think there were many people who wanted Harry out it and doesn't take a genius to work out it was rash and we are now seriously paying for it.

But why the heck are you having a dig at us other spurs supporters for? Yes it was wrong to sack Harry but thats happened now.
Do you honestly believe any spurs fan is currently watching and thinking that everything is rosey? Nothing wrong in backing the current team and manager, more so now that the team needs a bit of support.
 
The constant moaning is seriously getting boring..Yes we know you think the gaffer is s**t, but come on mate are you just trying to get a rise out of everyone here?
 
This forum has turned in to a joke, spurs fan site? more like come and s**t on spurs more like it.

This is a forum, and a forum is a place for different opinions, not somewhere people come and just say great things about the team they support.

Let's put the AVB thing another way shall we. You work for a large telecommunications company and the managing director is looking for very senior head of department. There are lots of applications, however the man he decides to employ has a strange CV. He worked in Portugal and had a successful career, albeit with a company that had done well for many years.   He then came over to England and was employed by an English company doing much the same thing. His record with this company was terrible and he demoralised many of the experienced and well thought of staff. He was sacked after 7 months. As the director of this company, would you employ the person in question ?

I wouldn't, but I think I know someone who would !!
But that shouldn't be the case anymore. None of us are members of the board of directors at Spurs and therefore fans can protest as much as they want but the manager won't be sacked simply because of that. Was George Graham sacked? No. At the moment, what's done is done.

I consider myself to be a benevolent individual and therefore I really hope Villas-Boas will do well for us. If he doesn't he will be sacked, simple as that. Yes, our start has been discouraging but some of our rivals have had bad starts too and everything is not lost yet.

George Graham was sacked by Levy, what are you talking about ?
I mean he wasn't sacked two days after being appointed simply because fans did not approve. Eventually he was sacked, yes. Apparently most managers are sacked at some point. :)