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Re: What Spurs need now?
« Reply #15 on: September 27, 2010, 05:33:17 PM »
Hmmm 44 goals in 57 games for England would suggest he at some point played against the worlds best defenders, who at that time were all tough and nasty. I did not suggest for one moment that they were all English. My God the Italians, Uruguyans and Argentinians of the period made  English defenders look like the Brownies
Intelligence needed to be a world class player today  :dance: Ladies and Gentleman I give you Mr Wayne Rooney the world renown intellectual.
 
Sure Greaves fell foul of the drinking culture that existed at the time in British football that's not to say he would fall into alcholism now with proper management and the guidance thats available to todays young players he may we have taken a different path.
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Re: What Spurs need now?
« Reply #16 on: September 27, 2010, 06:15:05 PM »
Gareth Keown, with your statements you have once again proven that you know relatively little about football. Maybe you should read some biographies and autobiographies of players from sixties and seventies and find out that back then you were pretty much kicked out of the game if you were any good. Only the best and strongest survived. If you don't know where your local library is then you can type www.youtube.com in your browser and search for clips of George Best and other great players of the aforementioned era and you'll see it was not nice what was done to these players.

Of course, 40 years ago footballers had a bit different lifestyles, they smoke and drank more, visited nightclubs until early hours and shagged women (not team-mates' wives, I assume) but some of the players such as Best, Greaves, Jennings, B. Charlton, Moore, Hurst and Peters would probably still fit in the game. Norman Hunter and Ron Harris probably not as they would miss more matches through suspensions than they would actually play. I'm not sure many of today's footballers would have survived back in the old days.

Oh, one more thing - 40 years (even 20 years ago) players had to play in awful conditions and still they managed to score and play beautiful football.

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Re: What Spurs need now?
« Reply #17 on: September 27, 2010, 06:25:49 PM »
howwould you know they were the 'toughest and nastiest' defenders in the world ??... what a parochial comment to make..... prior to '66 how many World Cups had England won again ??...... possibly they were the mouthiest, cockiest defenders in world football...

Greaves = Fred Davies = Enery Cooper

none of the above would have the genetics combined with intelligence to be rated a world-class performer in today's standard of Sport..

Greavsie would be too busy doing a Gazza and Terry combined.... knocking off bottles of brandy and teammates WAGS with his loadsamoney...

Once again you totally disregard the achievements of great individuals of their day, people you have never met or watched. Your utter disregard for any notion or idea that don't agree with in your pathetic little world is laughable.
So if Greaves wouldn't make in todays game the pampered prima donna Ibrahimovic wouldn't last 30 seconds in his, the first tackle and he would be on the floor writhing in agony, back then players could tackle (from behind too) and the first thing Chopper Harris would do is come through you just to let you know he was about.
 
Oh sod it not even going to bother trying to explain it anymore your just an argumentative little ..
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Re: What Spurs need now?
« Reply #18 on: September 27, 2010, 06:58:30 PM »
once again you sheep have to bring a debate down to your low level of engagement.... Chopper Harris lol..

Ibrahimovic is a world-renowned striker of the highest order on a par with Drogba, Torres, Etoo and Rooney, who has performed nay ... excelled.... at the highest levels of club-football..

Greavsie is a very good, short fat bloke who scored alot of goals in the English league composed almost entirely of British players waddling around in bandy-legged, longsleeves--gripping style, pretending to be 'hard geezers'...

do me a favour and get some perspective....

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Re: What Spurs need now?
« Reply #19 on: September 27, 2010, 07:35:47 PM »
Drogba, Torres, Etoo and Rooney

Are all alot better than Ibrahimovic if you ask me
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Re: What Spurs need now?
« Reply #20 on: September 27, 2010, 08:50:03 PM »
yesteryears' English 1st Division is equivalent in quality to today's Championship..... Greavsie's scoring trcord I would place as similar to say Michael Chopra's....

as for his intl. scoring record, it would be similar to Robbie Keane's is now... albeit Keano has to play for Ireland with lesser quality players around him and in a time when even the smallest team's are well organised and can play to a standard far higher than when Greaves was playing for England against most well poor European teams predominantly... with the occasional match against decent S.American teams in a WC.... oh hang on.... he didnt actually play against those teams did he ??...

good enough player in the 60s.... just not world-class..

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Re: What Spurs need now?
« Reply #21 on: September 27, 2010, 10:33:49 PM »
once again you sheep have to bring a debate down to your low level of engagement.... Chopper Harris lol..

Ibrahimovic is a world-renowned striker of the highest order on a par with Drogba, Torres, Etoo and Rooney, who has performed nay ... excelled.... at the highest levels of club-football..

Greavsie is a very good, short fat bloke who scored alot of goals in the English league composed almost entirely of British players waddling around in bandy-legged, longsleeves--gripping style, pretending to be 'hard geezers'...

do me a favour and get some perspective....

Wouldn't that be around the time that we were World Champions or is my history a little off, oh yes Jimmy Greaves a very good short fat bloke who scored 9 in goals in 12 appearances for AC Milan in 1961 in serie A.
 
You type bollocks Gareth you know jack s**t about football, I expect you probably think Sheringham and Shearer were crap too, Del Piero is too slow and Gert Muller was just lucky.
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Re: What Spurs need now?
« Reply #22 on: September 27, 2010, 10:51:37 PM »
once again you sheep have to bring a debate down to your low level of engagement.... Chopper Harris lol..

Ibrahimovic is a world-renowned striker of the highest order on a par with Drogba, Torres, Etoo and Rooney, who has performed nay ... excelled.... at the highest levels of club-football..

Greavsie is a very good, short fat bloke who scored alot of goals in the English league composed almost entirely of British players waddling around in bandy-legged, longsleeves--gripping style, pretending to be 'hard geezers'...

do me a favour and get some perspective....

Wouldn't that be around the time that we were World Champions or is my history a little off, oh yes Jimmy Greaves a very good short fat bloke who scored 9 in goals in 12 appearances for AC Milan in 1961 in serie A.
 
You type bollocks Gareth you know jack s**t about football, I expect you probably think Sheringham and Shearer were crap too, Del Piero is too slow and Gert Muller was just lucky.
Don't forget Gary Lineker, he was utter rubbish.

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Re: What Spurs need now?
« Reply #23 on: September 28, 2010, 12:47:36 AM »
And Geoff Hurst - only hat trick EVER in a WC final. If that's such an easy feat - why has no one else done it? Considering the context of that match against Germany, it is even more impressive.

In addition to bashing the US of A - you're now onto badmouthing English footballers, Keown. Where are you from exactly?... Or are you too much of a ninny to share. Do you have an allegiance to anything other than Jenas. Why even follow English football if you despise it so much?
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He's strained his left adductor muscle it says. Whats that then ? Do we all have those or just footballers ? I wonder how mine are ? *courtesy of taimedowne*

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Re: What Spurs need now?
« Reply #24 on: September 28, 2010, 10:38:32 AM »
ultimately, most knowledgeable footy-fans will not place Greaves as a world-class talent.... very good, but not world-class... most every major footy-mnation will have their own version of Greavsie... if only, what if, etc etc..... for whatever the reason he simply did not rate as a world-class talent... ditto Hurst: if you think just scoring 1 hatrick in a game is enough to catapult you to that level of world-class... well I really dont need to add further...

back on the thread title again...... what we STILL need is a tall striker with pace who can play as a target-man/lone striker as well as score goals regularly against all opponents and away games as well as at home..

the last candidate that came closest to that remit is Darren Bent.... we need someone like Carlton Cole/ Cameron Jerome (my choice)... if possible still then Fabiano...




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Re: What Spurs need now?
« Reply #25 on: September 28, 2010, 01:52:50 PM »
I read, "...oops I stepped in it again - further alienating myself and pissing off nearly every member of the community - so NOW I will attempt to save face by changing the subject BACK to the thread topic."

Clearly, Hurst is not world-class. He would say so himself. The point is that English football IS not and never HAS been s**t. Still not willing to share anything about yourself, eh?

Spurs needs are clear. A young, athletic reliable CB would help for cover. Check - Khumalo will be here in January. And we need a capable, consistent striker still in his prime. I think the club have made every effort to sign a guy like that. It just hasn't panned out yet.
He's strained his left adductor muscle it says. Whats that then ? Do we all have those or just footballers ? I wonder how mine are ? *courtesy of taimedowne*

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Re: What Spurs need now?
« Reply #26 on: September 28, 2010, 02:34:23 PM »
no other side in the Prem have currently got 3: King, Kaboul, Gallas (4 if you incl. Dawson) of their best CBs all out injured, as well as a top-class 1st-choice GK..... THAT'S been a major factor..

when all fit we'd have these CBs: King, Kaboul, Bassong, Gallas, Dawson... as well as THudd and Corluka who are able to play there.....can you name another Prem team with as many options for the CB slots ??

I agree with you about Spurs trying to get that elusive athletic experienced central striker... we need him badly as the likes of Pav and Crouch simply are not consistent or good enough, especially in Defoe's absence...

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« Reply #27 on: September 28, 2010, 04:11:36 PM »
no other side in the Prem have currently got 3: King, Kaboul, Gallas (4 if you incl. Dawson) of their best CBs all out injured, as well as a top-class 1st-choice GK..... THAT'S been a major factor..

when all fit we'd have these CBs: King, Kaboul, Bassong, Gallas, Dawson... as well as THudd and Corluka who are able to play there.....can you name another Prem team with as many options for the CB slots ??

I agree with you about Spurs trying to get that elusive athletic experienced central striker... we need him badly as the likes of Pav and Crouch simply are not consistent or good enough, especially in Defoe's absence...

Blimey, you do speak sense.......
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: What Spurs need now?
« Reply #28 on: September 28, 2010, 04:22:22 PM »
Yeah....duh! I'm aware of the injury problem in defense. Four CB's and a GK down. Gallas and King will always be a risk and they have little time left. Wouldn't you agree that the signing of Khumalo was necessary and prudent, just like the signing of Pletikosa? Dude (widdle Keownsy Wownsy - what's with the baby talk anyway?), you can make an argument out of nothing. Even in agreement you sound like you're arguing.

The sky is blue....well, actually Wilsy it is colorless and simply reflects what we perceive as blue. Blue does not in fact exist. It is simply a mental construct....like I said, the sky is f**king blue.
He's strained his left adductor muscle it says. Whats that then ? Do we all have those or just footballers ? I wonder how mine are ? *courtesy of taimedowne*

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Re: What Spurs need now?
« Reply #29 on: September 28, 2010, 05:41:59 PM »
I think one of the problems with our strikeforce is that harry doesnt really know his best combination up front or chops and changes too much leaving the likes of keane,crouch and pav unsure of their role and inconsistent as a result. strikers on top form play regularly and know the roles expected of them. Rotation is a great thing if it works. Stability is the key, injury permitting of course.