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My first ever post..... the closed season awaits...
« on: April 29, 2007, 01:47:09 PM »
I was having a think about what will happen in the closed season: not only in terms of player purchases, but also of player sales.  I thought that I would kick off a discussion.

There is a rumour that Levy will provide Commoli/Jol with £20 million, this closed season, to finance player acquisitions.  Coupled with the sale of some dead wood, this should enable us to start financing the purchase of some quality players to fit into our (already pretty good, lets be fair) team.  Long gone are the times when we had to use our transfer budget to buy half a team of average players, we now had the ‘core’ of a top 4 team, but need to build on that with a limited number of top quality signings.  

First things first, I think that Spurs would do well to sell the following players:

-   Mido: Has, to be fair to him, not been given a chance this year.  Players, particularly strikers, require games for match sharpness and Jol just hasn’t had the faith in him.  I don’t know why this is, perhaps he has a bad attitude.  However, I have faith in Jol on this one. Manchester City are apparently interested.  Anticipated price: £4 million.

-   Defoe: Clearly now the third striker.  Has exhibited a lot of patience and, to be fair to him, has not really grumbled at spending a lot of time on the bench.  It seems to me that Defoe doesn’t have the technique to fit in with Jol’s vision.  We should in my opinion sell him now, whilst we will still get a good price – as he is still a proven goal scorer at the top level.  Anticipated price: £8 million.

-   Gardner: A weak link, I am sure we will all agree, who we would need to replace.  A steady enough performer for Spurs over the years, but not a top 4 player.  Anticipated price: £2 million.

-   Tainio: A controversial one this, I expect.  Often played out of position by Jol, and very rarely is picked by Jol as a first choice centre midfielder.  Indeed, Jol often plays Ghaly instead, indicating who he prefers.  It’s a bit of a sad one this, because I think Tainio exhibits the sort of passion and tenacity that we could do with seeing from other players, but once again – not a top 4 player in my opinion.  Anticipated price: £3 million.

-   Murphy: Just not getting a look in.  It was a strange purchase at the time, and Jol must be a bit embarrassed about it.  Surely he must be going.  Anticipated price: £2 million.

-   Lee: He has had a much better season this year, and – in deciding who we should/would sell, it was a ‘toss up’ between him and Assou-Ekotto.  I think that Jol will operate on the basis of potential, and he seems to rate Ekotto.  Therefore, I think that Lee will be shown the door.  Anticipated price: £4 million.  

So, with the transfer fund already in place, this will give us c. £43 million.  With that money, I think we need a top quality players in the following positions:

-   Goalkeeper: I think we need someone to keep Robinson on his toes.  Play badly and get dropped, should be the message.  At the moment, Robinson is on easy street – as there are no real quality alternatives.  The rumours are that we will go for Niemi, on the cheap. This would suit me.  Anticipated price: £ free ( I think).

-   Left back: We need to spend good money on a top player.  Bridge for £6/7 million would do it for me.  Also, possibly, Leighton Baines or Gareth Bale for similar money.  Bale has indicated a lack of interest, however, so this could limit our options in this respect.

-   Centre back: King is back and in glorious form.  However, we do need another quality player to cover injuries etc. Rocha appears to be Ramon Vega in disguise, but I would be happy to be proved wrong!  A bit short of ideas for possible players, but Curtis Davies is often linked.  Possible price: £8 million.  

-   Left wing: It has got to be either Robben (c. £15 million) or, more realistically, Stuart Downing (c. £10 million).  Jol has persistently tracked Downing and, whilst he doesn’t look like the finished article yet, Commoli/Jol are rarely wrong.  Let’s get him, and have the future England wingers at the Lane.

-   Striker: That leaves c. £19 million.  For me, we have simply got to go for Carlos Tevez.  I saw him yesterday for the Hammers, and he really is a class apart.  He is just the sort of player that we are looking for – technique, drive, tenacity and masses of ability.  He will surely be leaving West Ham in the summer, stay up or not, and I imagine that several other clubs will be after him.  It might depend on whether he likes London.  Tevez would use up most of this £19 million, I expect, but would be worth it – particularly when the deal would be effectively part financed by the sale of Defoe.  It would also be sensible to buy an up-and-coming striker, for smaller money.  I like the look of Matt Derbyshire (Blackburn), but – alternatively – if Commoli/Jol can come up with a gem from the lower leagues, then great.  Lets not forget that we also have the new Wayne Rooney coming soon (Terry Dixon – picked for the ROI squad at 16, before he had even played for our reserves!!) so he will surely be blooded next season.

Well, there are my thoughts.  I would be hugely interested in any comments.

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« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2007, 01:56:18 PM »
Great first post mate, I moved it to spurs banter so it can be discussed more.

I agree with a lot you have said, but not on Tevez. Yeah he is a classy player but I don't think he will be prolific enough for us.

I'll go for Saviola, tevez's Argentinian team mate. Scores nearly every time he starts for Barce, plus I've seen him play live, and he was the best player on the pitch. So underrated.

But then again I wouldn't say no to having Tevez, if the price was right.

Keep up the good posting mate.

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« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2007, 02:34:47 PM »
Great post mate, i agree with you on who we should sell. Kevin Doyle > Tevez though :D

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« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2007, 02:36:12 PM »
Saviola is not proven in the premiership and would be a gamble also remember its easier to score for Barcalona with the amount of creative players they have. Tevez on the other hand has played in the Premiership and showed to an extent that he is able to cope with the physical side of the game.

SupersMandan, i would agree with most of the dead wood players, but the prices seem too optimistic. Other than that, great review.

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« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2007, 02:36:58 PM »
Thanks a lot.  I hear what you say re. Saviola, and this really fits in with what I was saying.  Jol is building a team where technique is important, and Saviola clearly fits that bill.  Either would have me smiling ;).  Cheers.

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« Reply #5 on: April 29, 2007, 02:48:30 PM »
Great artilce mate for your first post!

You have got some things wrong though!

I'm not so sure whether Ghaly/tainio will leave (as in stats there's no difference):

---------------pl   sb   g  y  r  sky rating   fan rating
Teemu Tainio:   26  (3)  2  3  1    5.8             6.2
Ghaly:             24  (9)  3  8  1     6.1             6.5

Also we should get M. Talyor, he's a spurs supporter and will come quite easily 4 not 2 much... £4-6mil? But Bridge would perhaps be better, but has said he doesn't want 2 come. Bale - NO WAY - £8-12mil - You must be joking!

Maybe bring in Tevez/Ashton/D.Bent as Saviola's probly going 2 real madrid (idiot), depending on who's relegated.

I also think we need a world class AM, Van Der Vaart, W.Sneijder? and maybe Nani?...
Get Moussa Sissoko In Spurs!!!!

And come on City, break that bloomin' top 4!

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« Reply #6 on: April 29, 2007, 03:01:52 PM »
Fantastic first post there matey and stated are very good discussion.


I think we need to keep both Tainio and Ghaly. Imo we need two teams, one for cups and one for league. Ghaly and Teemu are both excellent squad players and should be kept.

Matty Taylor is a favourite of mine and I think we should sogn Darren Bent as well. He is proven and will do well for us.

Baines would be nice as well

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« Reply #7 on: April 29, 2007, 04:01:25 PM »
Yes, I had forgotten about Taylor.  Good player, although query defensive quality?  I hear what you say about Teemu/Ghaly, but remain unconvinced that they are "Top 4".  I really do wonder whether Bent would do the business, all the attributes but has the danger of not doing all that great.....

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« Reply #8 on: April 29, 2007, 04:52:06 PM »
Great first post.

Agree with most of your dead-wood sellings except. Tainio I feel is a good enough squad player, versatile and will always do a job for us whenever. I do not think we need to sell Lee unless we get in a LB. I would prefer Taylor over Bale. Cheaper, more expirienced and more likely to come.

I agree on selling the rest of those players. A Keeper on the cheap would be good but may send bad messages to Alnwick?

A am still unsure on the CB position. We should never have sold Davenport, but with King back we have him, Dawson, Rocha, Dervitte (if we sell Gardner) So if we are to get another CB I would like to see a cheaper more expirienced player.

Left wing is another problem position, Steed is good but not a LW. I would love to see Joe Cole at the Lane but I do not think he will leave. Downing I would be happy with. To be fair he is playing in an average Boro side but I think he would excel with us.

Up front there are many possibilities. Tevez would be a brilliant signing. In his second season I feel he will be brilliant. Saviola won't come, Doyle would be a great buy but will Reading sell?

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« Reply #9 on: April 29, 2007, 05:06:17 PM »
Agree that most of them should go except Tainio/Ghaly ( I don't personally want Defoe to go but realistically it's prob gonna happen)

Would like to see Bent come to us, he would be a good replacement for Defoe. Can't see Saviola coming and Tevez would prob do a better job, i feel, in the premiership. Would also like to see Van der Vaart as he's a quality AM, plus as he is Dutch, could be of obvious interest to Jol.

On the issue of a keeper, deff need someone to keep Robbo on his toes could be just the kick he needs to get some form back after a fairly poor season.

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« Reply #10 on: April 29, 2007, 08:33:25 PM »
nice post. welcome.
how much do u think tevez will cost us. i would love him. i was hoping we would get him when he was really young in the olympices in athens.
i would take him at £15 MIL.

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« Reply #11 on: April 29, 2007, 08:58:24 PM »
15 mil get out of it. He ain't that good.

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« Reply #12 on: April 29, 2007, 09:05:50 PM »
I hope Tainio doesnt leave as I rate him as a player. Agree with everything else except we could get more for Defoe. Upfront get Doyle, D.Bent or Tevez for Defoe and a tall centre-forward to replace Mido like Zigic.

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« Reply #13 on: April 30, 2007, 08:17:53 AM »
Quote from: Daniisco;6358
15 mil get out of it. He ain't that good.


Tevez is awesome. Well worth £15 million.

Berba's girl

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« Reply #14 on: April 30, 2007, 10:21:56 PM »
Hmmm...*ponders*

No way we should sell Ghaly or Tainio. Always good cover. Prefer Tainio of the two personally - he is a strong player & very versatile with positions.

Don't think we should let YP Lee go either. We've really missed him since his injury. Pretty handy going forward on the wing. Assou-Ekotto looked a good signing at first but I think he became a bit 'lazy' looking...I dunno about him.

Noooo to Tevez for me. Don't think he'd fit in. Plus he's an ugly geezer - would totally ruin the look of the team! LOL (sorry very unprofessional)

Mido definitely can go. He's now surplus to requirements which sounds awful coz he did contribute a lot last season, but we need to move on & gain more world class players. Agreed Murphy & Gardner also to go.

Unsure about JD - he's a Yid isn't he? I'd like him to stay but it must be so frustrating for him on the bench so often. He's only likely to get a game now if one of the front men are injured.

Whatever happens, and I'm sure it'll be fascinating...I hope Spurs buy & sell wisely. A couple of left footers would be welcome!

Anyway, as long as Berby & Keano stay, I'll be more than happy. :dance2: