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Re: Window Shopping
« Reply #15 on: January 30, 2015, 07:26:58 PM »
According to Talksport this morning  Spurs will be bidding for Mirallas from Everton and Schneiderlin from Southampton in this window. Don't know if there is any truth in these rumours but I think both players would improve our midfield as long as we can sell those players that Poch doesn't seem to rate or play like Capoue, Lennon and Paulinho etc.

We have a bit too many defensive midfielders, so letting either Capoue or Paulinho leave and bring in a more creative one would be a good call. Although, I'd really would like to see Holtby back at the Lane. Too bad, the club cannot recall him.

I am not sure about letting Paulinho go as he has been doing well lately.

The trouble is voice, will he want to stay? He is an international Brazilian player and only have a bit part at Tottenham will not satisfy him. I will be surprised if he stays beyond the summer. But I would be sad to see him go.

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« Reply #16 on: January 30, 2015, 08:07:14 PM »
I think a few of the players that came in to replace Bale will be gone.

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« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2015, 05:07:47 PM »
I think a few of the players that came in to replace Bale will be gone.

Those seven players were a mixed bag of tricks.
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Re: Window Shopping
« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2015, 07:04:09 PM »
According to Talksport this morning  Spurs will be bidding for Mirallas from Everton and Schneiderlin from Southampton in this window. Don't know if there is any truth in these rumours but I think both players would improve our midfield as long as we can sell those players that Poch doesn't seem to rate or play like Capoue, Lennon and Paulinho etc.

We have a bit too many defensive midfielders, so letting either Capoue or Paulinho leave and bring in a more creative one would be a good call. Although, I'd really would like to see Holtby back at the Lane. Too bad, the club cannot recall him.

I am not sure about letting Paulinho go as he has been doing well lately.

The trouble is voice, will he want to stay? He is an international Brazilian player and only have a bit part at Tottenham will not satisfy him. I will be surprised if he stays beyond the summer. But I would be sad to see him go.

Jane x

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« Last Edit: February 01, 2015, 07:05:54 PM by Jane »

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« Reply #19 on: February 02, 2015, 07:38:06 PM »
I think a few of the players that came in to replace Bale will be gone.

Those seven players were a mixed bag of tricks.

They were, but that doesn’t change what I said. Most will be gone and hopefully some new ones today.

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Re: Window Shopping
« Reply #20 on: February 02, 2015, 07:55:53 PM »
Howdy again folks,

I always hark back to the days when football players were football players and not celebrities and money orientated. I personally don’t think players today are motivated as they used to be. They got a hard wage and fought hard for it.  Now they are paid in their millions and seem not too bothered to do anything more than what is standardily asked of them. Maybe I am just getting old, but hard graft was more important than a wage. Of course I don’t want to debase their wages, but the pleasure of playing was better than a higher paid job. You take this Ade chap, as he is known. He seems to come on when money is discussed or he is moving to another club, then he seems to settle down to count his money, rather than concentrate on the game in hand. He is a player that doesn’t seem to have pride in him. He is a typical mercenary. Goes where the money is, rather than the loyality. Of course we can’t totally blame the players, most of the blame must go to the system, clubs and rich owners. But then we grow up to what is around us and take that for granted, not what was acceptable and the done thing in the past. They say as time goes on it gets better, but does it? Now is now, and that is all that is important.

I wonder what the young and old think on here?

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« Reply #21 on: February 03, 2015, 02:52:34 AM »
Howdy again folks,

I always hark back to the days when football players were football players and not celebrities and money orientated. I personally don’t think players today are motivated as they used to be. They got a hard wage and fought hard for it.  Now they are paid in their millions and seem not too bothered to do anything more than what is standardily asked of them. Maybe I am just getting old, but hard graft was more important than a wage. Of course I don’t want to debase their wages, but the pleasure of playing was better than a higher paid job. You take this Ade chap, as he is known. He seems to come on when money is discussed or he is moving to another club, then he seems to settle down to count his money, rather than concentrate on the game in hand. He is a player that doesn’t seem to have pride in him. He is a typical mercenary. Goes where the money is, rather than the loyality. Of course we can’t totally blame the players, most of the blame must go to the system, clubs and rich owners. But then we grow up to what is around us and take that for granted, not what was acceptable and the done thing in the past. They say as time goes on it gets better, but does it? Now is now, and that is all that is important.

I wonder what the young and old think on here?

Ok Don, I will share my thoughts as I would place myself in the middle (40 is not so far away now).

When looking at old and new footballers there are a number of factors which comes into play. Training, health (from a general society sense), fitness,  technology, medicine, tactics, nutrition etc. etc. Each of these has an impact on the kind of players that are produced. The players of the past were slower, less healthy, the training was not as effective, the knowledge of nutrition, rest and response to injury are all things which clearly separate the two eras of footballers.

Take a player from the past and place his upbringing today and he would be a completely different player, exactly the same as those of today. Vice versa and the same would apply.

So I agree to blame the actual footballers themselves is of no value. We have to look at the environment itself if we are to establish the reasons for these differences. But before doing that we have to decide what it is we are hoping to be different and would it be worth it anyway?

The game today is faster, more skillful and tactically more advanced. You may not think so, but it is true. If it were not true, you could set up you team to play in exactly the same way that Spurs played during the glory days (actually take the best players of today and get them to play at the same speed, tackle the same way, position themselves  etc. etc. and they would be torn apart by any premiership side. They were the best at what they did at the time, but football has moved on.

You also hear a lot about players not being motivated and that money and celebrity status is the cause for the decline (decline of what, I am still not sure) but every single player in the premiership trained for over 10,000 hours in order to be good enough to be professional, more if you want to be the greatest. On top of that you also need a little luck and the more talent you have the better you will be. That means from the age of 6 to 16, that is 3 hours every day, minimum! If you don't do that, you are stacking shelves.

So the idea that these players are unmotivated human beings, is ridiculous. Now whether or not, once the money came in, some players do not continue to train as hard, I am not sure. I am certain that if during training they did not work hard, it would show in their performance, the manager would not pick those players, they would have a reputation amongst the players for being lazy. When a player is out on the pitch, do you think they consciously think, I am getting paid great money so today I will only give 80% today? Or do you think that the child that fought and trained every day, trying to be the best, to win every game, continues to do so in every competition he plays in. Because I do not get paid anything for the sports that I play and OI always play to win. Money is a side issue and only the most shallow of people make it the thing that actually matters.

Ask Ade if he has pride in what he does? Tell him you think he does not have any and see what his response is. He has a family, has suffered with a number of tragedies over the past few years and I do not expect him to be kind in his response. His whole life has been about coming from nothing and making the best of his life. It is easy to say from the outside that he looks like he is not trying, but that is about your perception. In fact it is this point that is actually the key issue. It is all about the way that our perception has changed, not the actual footballers themselves.

The world has changed in many ways, (but still the same in all the wrong ways), you have changed, you are not the same as when you watched it thee first time, you have grown older, your experiences over time and how you have perceived the changes occur have left you looking back to the past wondering why things cannot be the way they were, when things were great. But in truth, I will do the same (in some ways I already do, being in the middle as I am) but know it will become more profound as the time goes on. I will want things to be more like footballs coming home, or the Gaza free kick, and programs like only fools and horses, or moments of hope like the Anti-war march etc. etc. The world itself is now more materialistic, about celebrity status and useless tv programs and more endless wars! So until society starts to take a step in the right direction and we as people in this society start changing how we see the world around us, then things like how we see footballers, will only ever reflect the way we see society as a whole.
« Last Edit: February 03, 2015, 03:00:22 AM by dimexi »
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Re: Window Shopping
« Reply #22 on: February 03, 2015, 03:06:53 AM »
As for the Transfer Window. Looks like the curtains were closed and nobody was home. It is time we lost the transfer window altogether!

We managed to buy one player and then loan him back. (still a good player for the future)

loan out Lennon (someone of pace that thing we have in abundance!)

Am I surprised? Not bloody likely.

So when we miss out on 5th or 4th because of our lack of goals, who shall we blame? altogether now


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« Last Edit: February 03, 2015, 03:09:30 AM by dimexi »
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Re: Window Shopping
« Reply #23 on: February 03, 2015, 08:24:49 AM »
Personally, upon some reflection, I am not that disappointed. When I look at the players we were linked with, Ings, Mirellas, etc are any of them really going to change our season ?? I think not.
As we found out to our cost, splashing 100 mill does not guarantee anything.
It would seem to me that Levy, and therefore Poch are going down a new avenue here. A new contract for Mason & Kane, when one wasn't actually necessary at the moment. Dier & Yedlin brought in, and now Deli Alli, an exciting England under 19. We are putting together a balanced and talented very young squad. But it will take time, and we all have to be patient.
Unless I am mistaken, this time Poch will be given the time to shape his squad.

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Re: Window Shopping
« Reply #24 on: February 03, 2015, 03:57:30 PM »
I've said we needed another striker, however, I can understand why he didn't buy at the moment. To fit a new player in in the middle of a season will cause problems adjusting. It will be in the summer that Pochettino can accesses his team better and then let the deadwood go. So far we can't really grumble, apart from Ade still being here.
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« Reply #25 on: February 03, 2015, 09:35:56 PM »
As the month of Jan went on, I wasn't expecting any signings at all and I was hoping that Levy wouldn't be daft enough to get caught in this transfer window frenzy. I have always said that January has often proved to be waste of money.  Our squad is not that bad and I think it wiser to wait until the summer.

Soldado might finally wake up, who knows? and Ade might decide to start playing football!


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« Reply #26 on: February 04, 2015, 04:01:53 PM »
As the month of Jan went on, I wasn't expecting any signings at all and I was hoping that Levy wouldn't be daft enough to get caught in this transfer window frenzy. I have always said that January has often proved to be waste of money.  Our squad is not that bad and I think it wiser to wait until the summer.

Soldado might finally wake up, who knows? and Ade might decide to start playing football!

There are dangers in buying players in the window and should be only used in an emergency. As for Ade, he will be third in line and sitting on the bench. He either has to accept that or leave in the summer and take a pay cut. He has only himself to blame.
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Re: Window Shopping
« Reply #27 on: February 04, 2015, 07:40:57 PM »
Howdy again folks,

I always hark back to the days when football players were football players and not celebrities and money orientated. I personally don’t think players today are motivated as they used to be. They got a hard wage and fought hard for it.  Now they are paid in their millions and seem not too bothered to do anything more than what is standardily asked of them. Maybe I am just getting old, but hard graft was more important than a wage. Of course I don’t want to debase their wages, but the pleasure of playing was better than a higher paid job. You take this Ade chap, as he is known. He seems to come on when money is discussed or he is moving to another club, then he seems to settle down to count his money, rather than concentrate on the game in hand. He is a player that doesn’t seem to have pride in him. He is a typical mercenary. Goes where the money is, rather than the loyality. Of course we can’t totally blame the players, most of the blame must go to the system, clubs and rich owners. But then we grow up to what is around us and take that for granted, not what was acceptable and the done thing in the past. They say as time goes on it gets better, but does it? Now is now, and that is all that is important.

I wonder what the young and old think on here?

Good post Don and I see where you are coming from. We now need to build our a new Glory Glory history and not reply on the past. I am sure you will agree with me on that Don? We only hark back because there is nothing to talk about at the present. I am frustrated like any other Spurs supporter and I’ve been saying this for years. This season is the one. Maybe this manager is the one to get us those Glory Glory days. Then a new manager comes in and we start our dreaming all over again.