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Spurs; three down, another one to go and then Liverpool etc
« on: August 29, 2014, 05:29:32 PM »
This was written for an article a couple of days ago for a Spurs publication.

Spurs: three down, another one to go and then Liverpool and Premier League predictions etc.

   Joey Barton had tweeted a year ago “I'd destroy both the midfielders Spurs have wasted money on and I'm a championship player. Albeit, an exceptional one...” Well, he did a very good job in destroying our midfield, I must say. I wonder what he is doing now; celebrating his great annihilation of Spurs midfield and his team winning comfortably. What he should be doing is eating humble pie and learning to keep his big mouth shut? The problem with Barton is that he believes in his own press; that he is an intellectual football player. A contradiction in terms me thinks. Anyway, before we get onto QPR let us go back a few days to AEL Limassol. Yes, we got a good result against a not aspiring team. If it wasn’t for Pochettino’s inspired substitutions we might have come away humiliated. Before that West Ham’s game could have gone either way. But both matches were a good learning curve for our manager, a learning curve, I might add, that we won.

   The Queens Park Rangers match was a good game for us. We showed promise and the players reading each other well. Not perfect by any means, but we are getting there. The first half we were excellent, while QPR were diabolical. The second half they had improved a little (by reorganising their defence). But we contained them. The statistics make interesting reading. We had 66% possession, five shots on target, to their one and it showed. Lamela is improving in every game and will be an important part of Pochettino’s squad. Our former manager’s comments on the match "We didn't play well and got what we deserved, which is nothing.” He continued with, "I thought we were in awe of Tottenham a little bit. You have to play with energy, you can't stroll about in this division if you want to stay in it." I can’t argue with that, however, we also must remember that they’ve only just come up from the Championship and their squad isn’t fully ready for riggers of Premier League life. Whether they are strong enough to survive or not is a question that will have to wait until a later date. But that isn’t our problem. Our victory over QPR puts us at the top of the league. It would be nice to say that we will stay there, but even I admit we are not ready just yet to win the league, however, I don’t think it is unrealistic to expect a top four placing.

I just read that Nacer Chadli has said that he, and the team mates “are playing with more confidence under Pochettino, than they under Sherwood and AVB, and I must say it shows. People had concerns about giving the managerial job to Pochettino, but to give him credit he has grasp the reins in both hands and at the moment we can’t fault him.

   Now let us talk about Harry. He said, before the Spurs/ QPR match “I hold no grudges against Tottenham”. That is kind of him, seeing as it should be us, Spurs supporters, who should be holding grudges, if any grudges need to be held.  It was him who took his eye of the ball and looked towards the England job, thus unsettling the squad and losing matches we shouldn’t have lost. Because of this he probably lost, not only the England job, but the Spurs job as well. What he should have done was dismiss the England job, concentrated on the job in hand and tried to win glory with Spurs. Then, and only then, and with the increased reputation that went with the glory, waited until the managerial job came along (as no doubt it would have; eventually) and with his achievements staked a greater claim on the England job. Loyalty has its own rewards. That might have been one of the reasons (among many) why no big club came knocking on his door after his dismissal at Spurs. Now where is he? I recently read that Sherwood is mentioned as a replacement to Harry, should he fail at QPR; how the foolish fall so easily from their imagination of worth.

   Now we’ve got three matches out of the way our next match is the return leg against AEL Limassol; on paper this should be a preliminary. But in football there is no such thing. I’ve seen big teams crumble against smaller teams because of their arrogant posturing. Saying all that I expect Spurs to win comfortably, even though the team that won at QPR will be a totally different team that will play Limassol at White Hart Lane. Pochettino had said that he will take this match seriously as the prize at the end of the rainbow is European Champions football. This will be an interesting run out before our all in important home match against Liverpool. A good game to see how we stand at present. Nevertheless, we mustn’t forget that Liverpool beat us twice last season (home and away). In both matches we conceded 9 goals, and none for. This season I expect us to do a lot better. I am expecting a victory, something in the region of 2-1 or 1-0. But it is not going to be an easy match. I also don’t expect Liverpool to do as well as they did last season (in the league). I think that was more of a fluke.

      While I am here giving out predictions I might as well say how I expect the Premier League could pan out for the rest of the season. I anticipate Chelsea and Manchester city to fight for top honours. With Ars*nal, Spurs and maybe Liverpool fighting for the next two spots for a European Championship placing. As for relegation; I expect Burnley, QPR, Crystal Palace, Southampton and Leicester City fighting to stay in the Premier League. I didn’t mention Everton, however, I expect them to have a reasonable good season; probably finishing around the 6th or 7th position mark. As for Manchester United, they’ve become a conundrum this season, therefore it is hard to predict there outcome. They’ve got the money, resources, but a new manager who is finding his feet.

   Until we’ll meet again: #Don't know where, don't know when, but I know we'll meet again, some sunny day. Keep smiling through, just like Spurs fans always do. Till the Cockerel Chorus drives the dark clouds, far, far away and we finally claim our position with the elite teams of the world# Come on your Spurs!!


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Re: Spurs; three down, another one to go and then Liverpool etc
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2014, 10:11:44 AM »
I find your continued attack on Harry and what he did for this club extremely boring, inaccurate, insulting, disrespectful and out of touch with the majority of spurs supporters. Yes, you are entitled to your opinion and yes you are also entoitled to say it. But don't expect the reaction to it to be positive or supportive. Actually it is high time you and all of us just dropped the discussion. Especially as what is being said from both sides has been said a hundred times before, change the record voice ...please. (what you said about the current situation was all good though, stick to the here and now.
Maybe next year...

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Re: Spurs; three down, another one to go and then Liverpool etc
« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2014, 12:47:56 PM »
Harry Redknapp was at Spurs three managers 'ago'. Time to move on, I don't see people referring to Martin Jol or Terry Venables all the time.

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Re: Spurs; three down, another one to go and then Liverpool etc
« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2014, 04:16:06 PM »
I find your continued attack on Harry and what he did for this club extremely boring, inaccurate, insulting, disrespectful and out of touch with the majority of spurs supporters. Yes, you are entitled to your opinion and yes you are also entoitled to say it. But don't expect the reaction to it to be positive or supportive. Actually it is high time you and all of us just dropped the discussion. Especially as what is being said from both sides has been said a hundred times before, change the record voice ...please. (what you said about the current situation was all good though, stick to the here and now.

Actually I only bought the subject up - about Harry - because of his comments.

Secondly; the article I wrote above was written for a Spurs App and Website; I was asked by some members on here to put them up for this forum. So when I write I have to think of a wider audience than those that might object to a few comments (which is disagreeable to some).

Thirdly; articles are written to get Spurs supporters involved; whether they agree, disagree or whatever.
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Re: Spurs; three down, another one to go and then Liverpool etc
« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2014, 04:17:25 PM »
Harry Redknapp was at Spurs three managers 'ago'. Time to move on, I don't see people referring to Martin Jol or Terry Venables all the time.
Is it time to move on? This is a Spurs forum where we can talk about Spurs; past, present and future.
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Re: Spurs; three down, another one to go and then Liverpool etc
« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2014, 05:14:53 PM »
I find your continued attack on Harry and what he did for this club extremely boring, inaccurate, insulting, disrespectful and out of touch with the majority of spurs supporters. Yes, you are entitled to your opinion and yes you are also entoitled to say it. But don't expect the reaction to it to be positive or supportive. Actually it is high time you and all of us just dropped the discussion. Especially as what is being said from both sides has been said a hundred times before, change the record voice ...please. (what you said about the current situation was all good though, stick to the here and now.

Actually I only bought the subject up - about Harry - because of his comments.

Secondly; the article I wrote above was written for a Spurs App and Website; I was asked by some members on here to put them up for this forum. So when I write I have to think of a wider audience than those that might object to a few comments (which is disagreeable to some).

Thirdly; articles are written to get Spurs supporters involved; whether they agree, disagree or whatever.

Firstly Harry was more than entitled to say that, it was the first time he returned to the club he was sacked from, so yes him saying he holds no grudges isn't saying anything bad about spurs or what happened.

Secondly, yes you did write this for another outlet, an yes it is good of you to post it here, I often enjoy them, even if I don't agree. But mt criticism is just about you saying here or there, it is that you are saying it at all. Journalists should only reference past stories of they are relevant and provide new information or insight. This would get past the editor in a normal situation. I can't think of an audience that would want to read about that aspect of the past again!

Thirdly, yes they are supposed to get fans involved, but you would have done that anyway, without having to resort to repeating yourself at every opportunity regarding Harry. You didn't like him, you thought he deserved to be sacked, you thought he was a rubbish manager. We get it. But if you want your articles to be taken seriously, then my advice would be to stay off the Harry subject, unless something new happens of course and then it is fair game.

(Please note this is not an opening of the Harry debate, I am talking about the issue of talking about him)
Maybe next year...

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Re: Spurs; three down, another one to go and then Liverpool etc
« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2014, 05:34:24 PM »
Hi,

I have noted what you have said, however, when I write I get a lot of feedback from the supporters and editors and from various other sources. And yes I have come across people who have said exactly what you said, while others have enjoyed my comments. In other words you can’t please everybody. Now I would like to ask you a question; would you want me to censor what I put in this forum and treat it as a separate entity to the wider Spurs fan base (that I write for)?  The whole point of me writing for the sources I write for is to get feedback and my editors don’t care how that is delivered (providing I am not abusive etc); so long as they agree, criticise, debate or whatever (in other words join in; and I achieve that). But what I do achieve for them is a continuous wider readership. However, I do know this forum is unusual in the sense that it is hostile if it attracts new and interested members. I would also like to add that I have checked the rules on this forum and I noted that what I write hasn’t broken any rules. In fact I noted the rules say “The community of SpursNetwork generally has a high tolerance level for the Queens English and tries to support a humorous view on the mannerisms of its members.” And I stick within that sentiment.
My other objective in putting my articles up is to hope that new readers see what I write (and what others write) and will sign up and join in. But rest assured I am within the rules of this forum.
« Last Edit: August 30, 2014, 05:35:59 PM by Voice »
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I did it my way.

Regrets, I’ve had a few;
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I did what I had to do
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Re: Spurs; three down, another one to go and then Liverpool etc
« Reply #7 on: August 31, 2014, 07:22:33 AM »
Yes you are totally within the rules.

But it isn't going against the rules that drew the reaction rather the repetition of old arguments.

Should you edit the content from its original form? No, I don't think you should, never been one for censorship in any form. However, I would hope that the articles you write elsewhere are not a regurgitation of older articles and opinions you have given on there.

either way, no bother to me really. But if you do post on here, whether it is straight from you or posting an article, if the content is questionable, expect us to call you on it.  :up:
Maybe next year...

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Re: Spurs; three down, another one to go and then Liverpool etc
« Reply #8 on: August 31, 2014, 07:52:43 AM »
Yes you are totally within the rules.

But it isn't going against the rules that drew the reaction rather the repetition of old arguments.
Any discussion about Spurs would be in the remit of "repetition of old arguments

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Should you edit the content from its original form? No, I don't think you should, never been one for censorship in any form. However, I would hope that the articles you write elsewhere are not a regurgitation of older articles and opinions you have given on there.
Actually the reason Harry was mentioned was because of comments he made. All my articles are fresh and not a rehash of older stuff.

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either way, no bother to me really. But if you do post on here, whether it is straight from you or posting an article, if the content is questionable, expect us to call you on it.  :up:
That is why I work within the rules of this forum.

But I thank you for your observations; they are always helpful.
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Re: Spurs; three down, another one to go and then Liverpool etc
« Reply #9 on: August 31, 2014, 05:10:24 PM »
I don't see any problems in anyone talking about Harry or any of the managers for that matter.The fact is that there is more to talk about Harry and that make him more a candidate for comments. I mean this is Forum where opinions should be freely aired.

Who wants to talk about Jol or AVB or Sherwood? not eventful enough. Harry has done more than the last 2 put together and we must appreciate that. I have absolutely nothing against him and he has done well for us.


Having said that, we have now opened a new chapter with Pochettino, so perhaps it is time to put the lid on Harry, provided that HE CAN STOP TALKING ABOUT US!

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Re: Spurs; three down, another one to go and then Liverpool etc
« Reply #10 on: September 01, 2014, 07:19:34 AM »
I find your continued attack on Harry and what he did for this club extremely boring, inaccurate, insulting, disrespectful and out of touch with the majority of spurs supporters. Yes, you are entitled to your opinion and yes you are also entoitled to say it. But don't expect the reaction to it to be positive or supportive. Actually it is high time you and all of us just dropped the discussion. Especially as what is being said from both sides has been said a hundred times before, change the record voice ...please. (what you said about the current situation was all good though, stick to the here and now.

        I totally agree with everything that you posted Dimexi, how many times does Voice have to Slag off 'Arry before he is forced by the Admin staff to refrain from doing so? In my opinion he only does it to get a response, which unfortunately he always manages to do. I, like you and many others who contribute to this site are indebted to Harry for the high quality and entertaining brand of football that he got the team playing, maybe he did take his eye off the ball, but any manager/coach would want to Manage/Coach his National side would he not? ??? ??? ???
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« Reply #11 on: September 01, 2014, 07:26:41 AM »
Quote from Spursjoolz 'Having said that, we have now opened a new chapter with Pochettino, so perhaps it is time to put the lid on Harry, provided that HE CAN STOP TALKING ABOUT US!'

       Joolz, I feel sure the only time he talks about Spurs is when a Journalist asks him the question, who in turn is only doing so in order to get a response.  :nods: :nods: :nods:
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Re: Spurs; three down, another one to go and then Liverpool etc
« Reply #12 on: September 01, 2014, 09:07:53 AM »
Remember when we had Harry and we played Liverpool at WHL?

We won every year at home (ok so we lost 3 at Anfield and drew 1) but we were a dangerous side who teams feared. Yes we also lost some too, but even they were exciting. A manager that goes higher than Harry in my estimation will be a very good manager indeed.

I hope Pochettino is that man and one bad result does not mean anything. But we still have a million miles to get close to the time Harry was in charge.
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« Reply #13 on: September 01, 2014, 01:08:11 PM »
          Dimexi, I couldn't agree more.  :nods: :nods:
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Re: Spurs; three down, another one to go and then Liverpool etc
« Reply #14 on: September 01, 2014, 04:09:40 PM »
I find your continued attack on Harry and what he did for this club extremely boring, inaccurate, insulting, disrespectful and out of touch with the majority of spurs supporters. Yes, you are entitled to your opinion and yes you are also entoitled to say it. But don't expect the reaction to it to be positive or supportive. Actually it is high time you and all of us just dropped the discussion. Especially as what is being said from both sides has been said a hundred times before, change the record voice ...please. (what you said about the current situation was all good though, stick to the here and now.

        I totally agree with everything that you posted Dimexi, how many times does Voice have to Slag off 'Arry before he is forced by the Admin staff to refrain from doing so? In my opinion he only does it to get a response, which unfortunately he always manages to do. I, like you and many others who contribute to this site are indebted to Harry for the high quality and entertaining brand of football that he got the team playing, maybe he did take his eye off the ball, but any manager/coach would want to Manage/Coach his National side would he not? ??? ??? ???

It is not a case of slagging of Harry or picking on him. I have to think up a lot of articles and what is ever around at the time triggers what I say. As I had previously said; because of Harry's comments - and other comments that were circulating - I added Harry to my piece. Nothing more, nothing less. If one of our other managers had been mentioned I probably would have added them as well. You write for fun, I write because I am contracted to. I write more articles than you actually see. Therefore I have to be creative.
I’ve lived a life that’s full. I’ve travelled each and every highway;
And more, much more than this,
I did it my way.

Regrets, I’ve had a few;
But then again, too few to mention.
I did what I had to do
And saw it through without exemption.