Harry Redknapp

[dimexi]

There is no doubt that we won't finish in the top 2 (unless tragedy hits one of the two teams), but I agree with your prediction that we could finish 3rd and definitely 4th; of course this also depends on injuries etc. But I believe we have the squad to finish at least 3rd.

I think we have a team capable of finishing 3rd, but I am not sure we have the squad. Injuries to key players would hit us hard and for all of my positive outlook, I do not believe our squad is as strong as it was, the depth is not there. But with a few key signings, without losing anyone in Jan, that could easily be rectified.

[Glenn R]

There is no doubt that we won't finish in the top 2 (unless tragedy hits one of the two teams), but I agree with your prediction that we could finish 3rd and definitely 4th; of course this also depends on injuries etc. But I believe we have the squad to finish at least 3rd.

I think we have a team capable of finishing 3rd, but I am not sure we have the squad. Injuries to key players would hit us hard and for all of my positive outlook, I do not believe our squad is as strong as it was, the depth is not there. But with a few key signings, without losing anyone in Jan, that could easily be rectified.

I did read on the Internet that AVB didn't think he would buy in the transfer window. This is because key players are coming back from injury and what he will have then would be sufficient.

To be honest with what he is playing with at the moment and with what is coming back I think we can do it with what we've got.

Saying all that though it is a Spurs trick to say that they are not interested then go out and buy a big player. This is to put selling clubs off the sent.

[Metalanimal]

But we dont have strength in depth mainly in key positions such as CB, ST and creative Mid, this has already been proven when we have had players out, players step in who are not up to the required standard.

I think we still need to strengthen in Jan, but i guess if funds are not available we wont!  this could come back and haunt us yet again!

[spursjoolz]

All we need is a couple of key injuries and we are knackered!!
We definitely need to strengthen in Jan, starting with a playmaker and possibly another defender if Dawson is to be sold.
Can't see Levy opening his wallet though 

[Metalanimal]

I really think we should keep Dawson, we need to look for a replacement for Gallas now past his best and getting on a bit lol

[Glenn R]

All we need is a couple of key injuries and we are knackered!!
We definitely need to strengthen in Jan, starting with a playmaker and possibly another defender if Dawson is to be sold.
Can't see Levy opening his wallet though 

I think Levy would if needs must. I think a few surprises are in order

[Metalanimal]

All we need is a couple of key injuries and we are knackered!!
We definitely need to strengthen in Jan, starting with a playmaker and possibly another defender if Dawson is to be sold.
Can't see Levy opening his wallet though 

I think Levy would if needs must. I think a few surprises are in order

January will tell us a lot if Levy is willing to back AVB financially, because in my view whichever way we look at it we should invest further in the current squad and strengthen it.  Even if we are in the top 4 we need to push on and stay there by preparing for injuries and players going off form and fatigue, strength in depth is required which we dont currently have.  If we are not in the top 4 we need to get back in there plain and simple or risk going back 10 years when our key players will want to leave in the summer.

[Glenn R]

All we need is a couple of key injuries and we are knackered!!
We definitely need to strengthen in Jan, starting with a playmaker and possibly another defender if Dawson is to be sold.
Can't see Levy opening his wallet though 

I think Levy would if needs must. I think a few surprises are in order

January will tell us a lot if Levy is willing to back AVB financially, because in my view whichever way we look at it we should invest further in the current squad and strengthen it.  Even if we are in the top 4 we need to push on and stay there by preparing for injuries and players going off form and fatigue, strength in depth is required which we dont currently have.  If we are not in the top 4 we need to get back in there plain and simple or risk going back 10 years when our key players will want to leave in the summer.

I agree with you to a point. However, if he doesn't buy then we will have to wait until the end of the season to find out if his lack of purchase was the right decision. One of the problems with being fans is that we don't know what they know. Whatever; let us hope that the right decision is made.

One of the reasons for Redknapp being sacked was that Spurs needed to go in another direction. I am just hoping that any decisions that are going to be made is beneficial to the club and its status in the Premier League.

[ugs]

All we need is a couple of key injuries and we are knackered!!
We definitely need to strengthen in Jan, starting with a playmaker and possibly another defender if Dawson is to be sold.
Can't see Levy opening his wallet though 

I think Levy would if needs must. I think a few surprises are in order

January will tell us a lot if Levy is willing to back AVB financially, because in my view whichever way we look at it we should invest further in the current squad and strengthen it.  Even if we are in the top 4 we need to push on and stay there by preparing for injuries and players going off form and fatigue, strength in depth is required which we dont currently have.  If we are not in the top 4 we need to get back in there plain and simple or risk going back 10 years when our key players will want to leave in the summer.

I agree with you to a point. However, if he doesn't buy then we will have to wait until the end of the season to find out if his lack of purchase was the right decision. One of the problems with being fans is that we don't know what they know. Whatever; let us hope that the right decision is made.

One of the reasons for Redknapp being sacked was that Spurs needed to go in another direction. I am just hoping that any decisions that are going to be made is beneficial to the club and its status in the Premier League.

History tells us that Levy dosen't splash in January and AVB has already stated he isn't expecting to do any business in the January window... don't hold your breathe !!!!!!
 
 

[Glenn R]

All we need is a couple of key injuries and we are knackered!!
We definitely need to strengthen in Jan, starting with a playmaker and possibly another defender if Dawson is to be sold.
Can't see Levy opening his wallet though 

I think Levy would if needs must. I think a few surprises are in order

January will tell us a lot if Levy is willing to back AVB financially, because in my view whichever way we look at it we should invest further in the current squad and strengthen it.  Even if we are in the top 4 we need to push on and stay there by preparing for injuries and players going off form and fatigue, strength in depth is required which we dont currently have.  If we are not in the top 4 we need to get back in there plain and simple or risk going back 10 years when our key players will want to leave in the summer.

I agree with you to a point. However, if he doesn't buy then we will have to wait until the end of the season to find out if his lack of purchase was the right decision. One of the problems with being fans is that we don't know what they know. Whatever; let us hope that the right decision is made.

One of the reasons for Redknapp being sacked was that Spurs needed to go in another direction. I am just hoping that any decisions that are going to be made is beneficial to the club and its status in the Premier League.

History tells us that Levy dosen't splash in January and AVB has already stated he isn't expecting to do any business in the January window... don't hold your breathe !!!!!!
 
 

I agree, but I like to think that they or Levy might pull a rabbit out of the hat. They have surprised us in the January window before.

[RSS61]

I think that maybe there is a good reason Levy didn't spend last January. He already knew that Redknapp would not be staying long term.
This year there are no excuses, he has his choice of manager in place. If he dosen't back him now, then we will fall down again in the home straight, like we have done a few times over the last few years.
We absolutely must bring in a striker, creative MF and possibly LB / CB depending on the Kaboul / BAE prognosis, bearing in mind we have one of the worst defences in the entire prem, but are tied 3rd.
Lets not blow it again Mr Levy.

[Glenn R]

I think that maybe there is a good reason Levy didn't spend last January. He already knew that Redknapp would not be staying long term.
This year there are no excuses, he has his choice of manager in place. If he dosen't back him now, then we will fall down again in the home straight, like we have done a few times over the last few years.
We absolutely must bring in a striker, creative MF and possibly LB / CB depending on the Kaboul / BAE prognosis, bearing in mind we have one of the worst defences in the entire prem, but are tied 3rd.
Lets not blow it again Mr Levy.

Good points.

[baldbloke]

I agree that we were in the top 4 (and I gave the reasons why) but I do believe it wouldn’t have lasted. That is why we needed somebody else to take us in another direction. As for available transfer funds. Apart from this season we spent more than some of the top 4 clubs. If Levy is to be blamed for anything it is picking the wrong managers. When he picked Harry he picked him in the view of getting us out of relegation. He picked our current manager to take us to the next level. Let us hope this time he got it right.
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Rubbish, we did not spend more than top prem sides on transfer fees. During Arry's  period we spent an average of £10m per season net. In prem terms this the same sort of amount as Wigan and West Brom spend.

Nobody will ever know if Arry could of taken us the extra mile. Personally I don't think there is a manager on the planet that will be able to do, because our Chairman does not have the ambition. We were probably only about £30m away from challenging for a title, in stead Levy decided to make some money in the transfer market. Our squad is now a lot loss talented and has a lot loss depth. It is my belief that Levy's plans are what made him and Arry fall out. Of course, some people actually think Arry was sacked because we didn't get 3rd spot, and others think it has something to with the England job. They are entitled to their opinions, but they are wrong. Arry had ambition, and that just isn't shared by Levy or the board. Unfortunately the only trophy our club is interested in is a figure on the bottom line of a spread sheet !!

[ugs]

I agree that we were in the top 4 (and I gave the reasons why) but I do believe it wouldn’t have lasted. That is why we needed somebody else to take us in another direction. As for available transfer funds. Apart from this season we spent more than some of the top 4 clubs. If Levy is to be blamed for anything it is picking the wrong managers. When he picked Harry he picked him in the view of getting us out of relegation. He picked our current manager to take us to the next level. Let us hope this time he got it right.

Rubbish, we did not spend more than top prem sides on transfer fees. During Arry's  period we spent an average of £10m per season net. In prem terms this the same sort of amount as Wigan and West Brom spend.

Nobody will ever know if Arry could of taken us the extra mile. Personally I don't think there is a manager on the planet that will be able to do, because our Chairman does not have the ambition. We were probably only about £30m away from challenging for a title, in stead Levy decided to make some money in the transfer market. Our squad is now a lot loss talented and has a lot loss depth. It is my belief that Levy's plans are what made him and Arry fall out. Of course, some people actually think Arry was sacked because we didn't get 3rd spot, and others think it has something to with the England job. They are entitled to their opinions, but they are wrong. Arry had ambition, and that just isn't shared by Levy or the board. Unfortunately the only trophy our club is interested in is a figure on the bottom line of a spread sheet !!

 
To be fair I have read in plenty of other places that 'Arry wanted Cahill from Bolton and Tevez on loan and Levy wouldn't do the business and that's the major reason behind the fall out.
 
Once again I say Levy dosen't normally splash in the January window or back his manager half way through the season he seems to think that if you haven't done it by Christmas then you ain't gonna do it !!!!!
 
 

[dimexi]

Ok this is a bit of a ramble. I have looked at the numbers for the past 8 years (From 2005/06) to give a fair indication of how things really are. Rather than making unsubstantiated claims.

During Arry's  period we spent an average of £10m per season net. In prem terms this the same sort of amount as Wigan and West Brom spend.
 

You still do not get it! You are unable to change your use of the inaccurate knowledge you claim to be fact, even when the information is there for you to see and use. Not everything you say is untrue, but just spend a little time looking at the information before making sweeping statements that are false. Now I know that the information can vary slightly from source to source but it is going to be within a narrow boundary of accuracy.

You keep talking about Harry's net spend but that is just part of the process. I pulled you up on that before, obviously no change in perspective Mr Blinker man. But as you are so keen to include this I will also share that aspect.

Transfer dealings look as follows.

Year         Transfers In         Transfers Out      Net spend
2012/13       57.0m            62.8m            +5.8m
2011/12      8.0m                 35.0m         +27.0m
2010/11      18.5m            1.0m                 -17.5m
2009/10      32.0m            33.0m         +1.0m
2008/09      87.2m            67.75m         -19.45m
2007/08       48.7m            14.75m         -33.95m
2006/07      48.9m            25.1m         -23.8m
2005/06      34.4m            16.65m         -17.75m
TOTAL      334.7m            256.05m              -78.65m

Average amount spent on players per season = 41.83m

Average Net  spend per season = 9.83m

Should this figure be a problem? Does it matter if the net spend is relatively low, or is it that a good way to run a club? Would we rather we spent more on players and then had to sell them on for less money. I think the fact that we have spent on average £40 million per season shows that even if players have left us, we have always replaced them with similar or better quality in most cases.

Now let us look at West Brom’s and Wigan’s figures. (I will summarise)

West Brom:

Average amount spent on transfers: 8.39m

Average Net spend: 2.3m


Wigan:

Average amount spent on transfers: 10.78

Average Net spend: -0.22 (that is profit)


Neither anywhere near comparable to Tottenham’s figures.

Rubbish, we did not spend more than top prem sides on transfer fees.

Now to look at this sweeping claim –

(I will include amount spent AS, average outlay AO and average net spend ANS)

Spurs:         AS= 334.7,                    AO=41.83,                  ANS= 9.83

Man U:        AS= 286.65,                  AO=35.83,                  ANS=11.7 (rather closer to us than us than Wigan)

Man C:        AS=595.35,                   AO=74.41,                  ANS=54.08

Chelsea:     AS= 410.4,                    AO= 51.3,                   ANS= 40.81

Liverpool:   AS= 373.95,                   AO= 46.74,                 ANS = 16.28

Ars*nal:     AS= 219.05,                   AO= 27.38,                 ANS= -5.22 (profit)

Newcastle: AS= 142.4,                    AO= 17.8,                   ANS= 0.13

West Brom: AS= 67.185,                 AO= 8.39,                   ANS = 2.3

Wigan:        AS= 86.25,                   AO= 10.78,                 ANS= -0.22 (profit)


Looking at these figures shows that the model we most closely resemble is Man Utd. Would you rather we looked more like Man City or Chelsea? Their approach to money is disgusting and is the very reason why financial fair play is the right way forward. Their approach is not sustainable and I abhor it. The alternative is the Ars*nal approach which actually does line the boards pockets, but with no success attached. I do not think this model is any good either as any system which takes out more than it puts in will eventually collapse as well.


Now please can people stop talking about things as truth, without at least spending a little time checking their thoughts actually have some basis in reality, rather than the concoction they have brewed up with three hags, some pot (a black one or smoked) and a mixture of unidentifiable, unreal ideas!!!