Stadium News

[baldbloke]

I was listening to Alan Brazil on the radio  yesterday and heard what I had suspected for a little while. He has a friend in the know who has assured him that breaking news will be announced in the next few weeks. Perhaps you have guessed it already. Spurs are moving to the Olympic site. It would appear that Levy has managed to come to some sort of compromise and the Olympic committee have given it to Spurs as the preferred  bidder. Very rarely is Brazil ever wrong when he makes this type of announcement.

I for one will give up my season ticket and never watch Spurs ever again if this happens.

[dimexi]

Maybe if your worst nightmare comes true, it will leave the rest of us to dream! 

[dimexi]

Maybe we could change our name to Olympiparkspurs?

[spursjoolz]

Lol dimexi 
I will always watch Spurs even if the next mach is played on Mars. I may not be able to get there, but as long as I can it get it on my TV! 

[baldbloke]

Lol dimexi 
I will always watch Spurs even if the next mach is played on Mars. I may not be able to get there, but as long as I can it get it on my TV! 

A club just isn't their name. If Tottenham aren't based in Tottenham they aren't Tottenham.

[dimexi]

Tottenham is where the club was born, is where it has spent all its life, but does not have to be where it dies. It will always be Tottenham no matter where it goes, because that is its identity. My passport says I am from the UK, I was born English and will die English. Even if I moved abroad, took up another passport, played for that country and died there. I would still be English. You can not change where you are from, period!

I think people are a little touchy about things that are not relevant. The stadium is actually only roughly in the same place once a year anyway. It just appears to be in the same place, it is all a matter of perspective.

[Colspur66]

Baldbloke have you not been to WHL recently and seen the progress made on the land where the stadium will be built and seen the hoardings covered with views of how the ground will look?

[dimexi]

Baldbloke have you not been to WHL recently and seen the progress made on the land where the stadium will be built and seen the hoardings covered with views of how the ground will look?

I have seen those and I think that it will be West Ham, possibly ground sharing with Leyton Orient, that will be taking over at Stratford. I think Levy wanted to force the WHL development through and if it did not work, then the Stratford project would be a viable alternative.

[baldbloke]

Baldbloke have you not been to WHL recently and seen the progress made on the land where the stadium will be built and seen the hoardings covered with views of how the ground will look?

I'm a season ticket holder, so of course I have been there recently. If you remember correctly the club started knocking down building before they applied to move to the Olympic stadium. The fact we have put up the hoarding is of no consequence. At present Levy has made no legal commitment to build the stadium. Personally I would love there to be no new development, as I love the Lane and it's atmosphere, but I know that won't happen.

I have said this many times before, can anyone name a club anywhere in the world that has been successful as a result of building a massive stadium. The answer is that there isn't one. Every club with a massive stadium was successful first, and I believe this investment is so Levy can sell the club and make himself a fortune. As much as I dislike the man, I don't hold this against him.

[dimexi]

I fear I may be losing my sanity. I just cannot help but respond to comments made by our one and only Mr Baldbloke. It is not personal, if we met on the street, or over a pint, I am sure we would get along fine and have many a discussion and laugh about our wonderful side. But in the realms of this forum I just find it too much to resist but to try and point out any potential holes or misconceptions that seem to just pour out.

For Example:

I have said this many times before, can anyone name a club anywhere in the world that has been successful as a result of building a massive stadium. The answer is that there isn't one. Every club with a massive stadium was successful first, and I believe this investment is so Levy can sell the club and make himself a fortune. As much as I dislike the man, I don't hold this against him.

Sometimes you say things as if they are fact and no one could dare say that you do not know what you are talking about. The problem is that with a little investigating it is very easy to see that you only see what you want to see and anything that falls outside of the point you want to make is ignored.

It is true that many of the larger stadiums were built by clubs that have been successful first and these can be seen across Europe. I will not even go into Stadia around the world, because they are often used for different sports as well. Therefore the obvious high capacity stadia: The Nou camp, The Bernabeu, Old Trafford, Borussia Dortmand’s and The Emirates. All built by sides that have been successful and expanded their stadiums or built new ones because of that success.

However, you wanted someone to name one, I will name 5!

(Feel free to state why you may think that these do not count)

1.   Hertha Berlin – Capacity 74,228 – Yes it is built on the old Olympic Stadium and is a multi sports arena.
There are a number of large stadiums in Germany of a high capacity, but due to the World cup 2006 they were refurbished or built for that purpose so slightly unfair to name them all.

However

2.   HSV – Capacity 57,000, although used for the 2006 World Cup, this stadium was built in 1998 and you can see by their league positions, that this side has not been successful in recent times. Finishing between 3rd and 13th since 1984.

 
3.   Newcastle’s St Jame’s Park - Capacity  52,387 Has never won the Premier league!

4.   Sunderland’s Stadium of light – capacity 49,000

Now for my personal favourite:

5.   Lille’s Grand Stade Lille Métropole. This project was agreed in 2008 and the building began in 2010. Lille then won its first title since 1954 in 2011. In August 2012 it moved to its new stadium. Capacity 50,186. The complete anti-thesis of what you have been saying!


The fact is that football clubs have been redeveloping, re-building or moving stadiums for various reasons since the beginning of the game. It is only old stalwarts that cannot accept change that have a problem with it. Ask the next generation of supporters if they would like to stay in an old outdated heap of junk, or see their side have a world class stadium which reflects the image of the team?

[aspursfan]

Baldbloke have you not been to WHL recently and seen the progress made on the land where the stadium will be built and seen the hoardings covered with views of how the ground will look?

I'm a season ticket holder, so of course I have been there recently. If you remember correctly the club started knocking down building before they applied to move to the Olympic stadium. The fact we have put up the hoarding is of no consequence. At present Levy has made no legal commitment to build the stadium. Personally I would love there to be no new development, as I love the Lane and it's atmosphere, but I know that won't happen.

I have said this many times before, can anyone name a club anywhere in the world that has been successful as a result of building a massive stadium. The answer is that there isn't one. Every club with a massive stadium was successful first, and I believe this investment is so Levy can sell the club and make himself a fortune. As much as I dislike the man, I don't hold this against him.

"Tottenham are on course to start construction of their proposed new stadium next summer with work set to begin on the supermarket and office elements of the £430 million project in the next month.

Spurs announced this week that McLaren Construction had been appointed as the main contractor for the first stage of the development - including a Sainsburys superstore - with the tender for the stadium and public space set to go out before the end of the year.

While the north London club are still working on how to finance the development, they are working closely with Haringey council on a timetable that is likely to see Spurs move into the new stadium, adjacent to White Hart Lane, for the start of the 2016-17 season.
   
The key to getting the Northumberland Development Project (NDP) underway will be whether Tottenham can secure a 10 or 15-year naming rights deal worth more than £150m, with Qatar Airways and companies from China "

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/3774/the-sweeper/2012/09/22/3394031/the-sweeper-new-tottenham-stadium-on-course-for-construction?source=breakingnews

[Paul Finch]

I personally hope and pray that we never ever ever move away from Tottenham or White Hart Lane.The Lane is our spiritual home, our history and everything Spurs is the Lane, God forbid. Billy Nicholson would be turning in his grave at the thought of moving!!! 




COYS

[baldbloke]

I fear I may be losing my sanity. I just cannot help but respond to comments made by our one and only Mr Baldbloke. It is not personal, if we met on the street, or over a pint, I am sure we would get along fine and have many a discussion and laugh about our wonderful side. But in the realms of this forum I just find it too much to resist but to try and point out any potential holes or misconceptions that seem to just pour out.

For Example:

I have said this many times before, can anyone name a club anywhere in the world that has been successful as a result of building a massive stadium. The answer is that there isn't one. Every club with a massive stadium was successful first, and I believe this investment is so Levy can sell the club and make himself a fortune. As much as I dislike the man, I don't hold this against him.

Sometimes you say things as if they are fact and no one could dare say that you do not know what you are talking about. The problem is that with a little investigating it is very easy to see that you only see what you want to see and anything that falls outside of the point you want to make is ignored.

It is true that many of the larger stadiums were built by clubs that have been successful first and these can be seen across Europe. I will not even go into Stadia around the world, because they are often used for different sports as well. Therefore the obvious high capacity stadia: The Nou camp, The Bernabeu, Old Trafford, Borussia Dortmand’s and The Emirates. All built by sides that have been successful and expanded their stadiums or built new ones because of that success.

However, you wanted someone to name one, I will name 5!

(Feel free to state why you may think that these do not count)

1.   Hertha Berlin – Capacity 74,228 – Yes it is built on the old Olympic Stadium and is a multi sports arena.
There are a number of large stadiums in Germany of a high capacity, but due to the World cup 2006 they were refurbished or built for that purpose so slightly unfair to name them all.

However

2.   HSV – Capacity 57,000, although used for the 2006 World Cup, this stadium was built in 1998 and you can see by their league positions, that this side has not been successful in recent times. Finishing between 3rd and 13th since 1984.

 
3.   Newcastle’s St Jame’s Park - Capacity  52,387 Has never won the Premier league!

4.   Sunderland’s Stadium of light – capacity 49,000

Now for my personal favourite:

5.   Lille’s Grand Stade Lille Métropole. This project was agreed in 2008 and the building began in 2010. Lille then won its first title since 1954 in 2011. In August 2012 it moved to its new stadium. Capacity 50,186. The complete anti-thesis of what you have been saying!


The fact is that football clubs have been redeveloping, re-building or moving stadiums for various reasons since the beginning of the game. It is only old stalwarts that cannot accept change that have a problem with it. Ask the next generation of supporters if they would like to stay in an old outdated heap of junk, or see their side have a world class stadium which reflects the image of the team?

You didn't actually disagree with my statement, you agreed.

[dimexi]

Every club with a massive stadium was successful first.

As usual you hear what you want to hear. Not every club with a massive stadium was successful first. Success can come after a stadium is built but is not because of it and teams are not doomed to fail either. These examples show examples of teams that have built new large stadiums before having success. It is not dependent on it. Only one side wins the league each year, so should it only be the winners that get a large stadium?

When you say things like

I have said this many times before, can anyone name a club anywhere in the world that has been successful as a result of building a massive stadium.

Is this even relevant. If you accept that the build of the stadium is not solely about trying to gain success then what is the problem. It may have a positive effect it may have no effect, but will it have a negative effect? That is the only question that is relevant.

Most large stadiums from around the world in places like Asia, South America etc. are outside most of our knowledge. I do not know enough about their histories, success and failures or when they built these stadiums. These may or may not support either of our points but I do not like to state facts, if I have not established them to the best of my knowledge.

Therefore European football seems the more obvious comparison. The teams are of a more similar level in fan base and money. Although the TV money the Prem gets is more than most. Looking at the larger stadiums of Europe you can see a distinctive pattern. There are the older large stadiums which continue to hold large numbers, even if these have reduced since becoming all-seaters.

There are many large stadiums built in Germany that host lesser sides, but these were built for the World Cup. Then there are the few in France, some built because of the 1998 world cup. Then there is Italy, where there is the San Siro. Roma /Lazio ground built for 1960 Olympics and Bari built for the 1990 world cup. If you go to Spain there is Real and Barca, obviously large stadiums but also successful for many years.

However, Athletico Madrid and Valencia are currently building new +70,000 seater stadium. Are they waiting to win the title ahead of Barca or Real? Stadiums in England are well known so no need to mention them here.

The problem is, there are very few instances of a large stadium being built, outside of a World Cup where they are specially built. The other ones are built by the sides that regularly do win. Milan, Barca, Bayern etc. As we not host the World Cup in my life time, what else can we do?

Alternatively, the idea that we should wait till we are successful, to build a new stadium or locate elsewhere makes no sense at all. If we do that then we may be waiting a long time. The new stadium will not guarantee success and it may have no effect at all, but we do still need one.

[RSS61]

Seeing as we appear to have 30,000 or so waiting for season tickets, it would make sense to build a stadium that can accommodate them.
Like Ars*nal, we will eventually benefit from a new state of the art stadium.