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Title: Tottenham 0-0 West Ham
Post by: Biggs on March 15, 2011, 08:02:22 AM
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Title: Re: Tottenham v West Ham
Post by: Gareth Keown on March 19, 2011, 10:10:16 AM
Defoe-Pav to definately start today.... as Crouch will now be mothballed for the 5 CL games to come this season  :up:

Gallas okay and Bale--Lennon to start a game finally..... Sandra-Modric at CM (Jenas to cover CM, RB and RM from bench)....

win.
Title: Re: Tottenham v West Ham
Post by: dimexi on March 19, 2011, 10:16:53 AM
Nothing like a London derby to get the blood pumping. Don't think this will be an easy game, as I think WH will escape relegation as there is fight in our neighbours. But I think we will have too much for them 2-1 Spurs.  :) :up: :nods: :smug: :ohyeah: :)
Title: Re: Tottenham v West Ham
Post by: dedleysting on March 19, 2011, 10:23:41 AM
Be glad to see Bale back in the starting 11, good news regarding Gallas' injury not being as bad a as feared. Kaboul, hudd nearing returns too - the future is bright!!!

Win win win today!!!
Title: Re: Tottenham v West Ham
Post by: SomersetYiddo on March 19, 2011, 11:21:40 AM
MUST WIN! YID ARMY
Title: Re: Tottenham v West Ham
Post by: Gareth Keown on March 19, 2011, 12:10:29 PM
Vaart-Defoe and no Pav  :-\................ Vaart off by 60thmin  :up:

Title: Re: Tottenham v West Ham
Post by: dimexi on March 19, 2011, 12:27:30 PM
I think VDV and Defoe could really work, VDV's trickery and if you give defoe the ball in the right places he will do damage, but we must give him the chance to get into the box. His work rate across the pitch has been v. good but he needs to keep up the level he showed against wolves. If the defence don't collapse like before we could smash them. Think I will change my prediction to 3-1 now.  :)

I think this is our strongest side at present,  so should be a good indicator of how good we are.

(although Kaboul could stake a claim, but if Gallas performs like he did against AC then he may have fight for his place.)
Title: Re: Tottenham v West Ham
Post by: Gareth Keown on March 19, 2011, 01:43:20 PM
Dimexi.... you have got to be kidding me  :o

Vaart-Defoe is simply our WORST COMBINATION POSSIBLE outta Vaart, Defoe, Pav & Crouch..... the guy mainly plays just in front of our back4 ffs, which leaves the little child Defoe isolated upfront against 2 strapping CBs..... far better Defoe-Pav/Crpouch, Crouch-Pav or Crouch-Vaart....

the possession stats are meaningless, as by the time the ball gets worked into the final 3rd WHU have 11 players behind the ball and we simply hit a brick wall.... we need to play a proper 2 upfront which will create the space in the final 3rd to attack more incisively... we have the pace out wide today to fully exploit that situation..

no subs by 70mins could... will.... mean less than 3pts today..

WHU have played the more EFFECTIVE football so far... will be disappointed to not be winning this..
Title: Re: Tottenham v West Ham
Post by: aspursfan on March 19, 2011, 02:47:14 PM
For f**ks sake. Can't believe Green saved that free kick. That's put me in an awful mood.
Title: Re: Tottenham v West Ham
Post by: aspursfan on March 19, 2011, 02:47:55 PM
How frustrating was it watching Defoe today? f**k
Title: Re: Tottenham v West Ham
Post by: Gareth Keown on March 19, 2011, 02:51:15 PM
Arry is the best manager in the world....... for giving the fans vaart they vaant...

(Oi Arry,  the flock are booing Ghaly, change ur mind and get cheered.... VEEEL DONE :up:)
Title: Re: Tottenham v West Ham
Post by: aspursfan on March 19, 2011, 03:04:52 PM
I'm not even going to waste my time discussing this with you. Any bad result is just an opportunity for you to blame Modric or VDV with the same boring, one-sided and extremely flawed logic.
Title: Re: Tottenham v West Ham
Post by: WilsonJet on March 19, 2011, 03:21:29 PM
I think the only thing Harry might have done differently, for me, would have been to bring Kranjcar on for Lennon. (Remember him, Harry, the guy who scores goals?) Honestly, when I saw the lineups I was thrilled. Should have worked against West Ham - and in fact IT DID. It isn't the manager's fault that we hit the post twice, and missed it by inches on at least four other occassions, that Robert Green made a world-class save or two, and that JERMAIN DEFOE SQUANDERED FIVE CHANCES IN FRONT OF GOAL!

My issue with today's game is JD's "100 Goals" undershirt. You've scored TWO Premier League goals all year, playa! Would it have been sweet to hit the gamewinner for your 100th in the League and for Spurs against a former club? Abso-frikkin-lutely....but f**kin' DO IT! Personally, I don't want to see that shirt now when he does score number 100. Great, all praise me JD. You are awesome, buddy. Do we still have to listen to you cry about how you haven't been given a fair chance and how you considered going elsewhere? That decision might be out of your hands now!

Perhaps I'm overstating this because I'm clearly emotional over the result, but I have the feeling that our immediate future as a top club in world football just suffered a massive critical blow. 2 points from 9 against relegation teams -- meanwhile Chelsea and Man City are just begging us to seize third. Without a miracle, there will be no Champions League next season and even the Europa League is beginning to fall out of our grasp. The money we had the potential to earn, the players we might have attracted - OR KEPT, and the stadium we could build are all seriously in doubt. Today was a moment that could have altered the future of the club and it is gone, because Jermain "100 Goals" Defoe can't make a tap-in.
Title: Re: Tottenham v West Ham
Post by: bigv on March 19, 2011, 03:22:35 PM
defoe was pityful today and at fault for us coming away with 1 point. You can accuse me of knee jerk comments but i dont care. His goals/game ratio over the last year is a joke. Problem is our alternatives are not much better. Could our failure to provide adequate strikers during the window really be costing us this many points?? Im afraid so. It must be very frustrating to the rest of the team who played rather well and tried everything. Defoe looked like he was playing with someone else f**king feet for 90 mins FFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Tottenham v West Ham
Post by: WilsonJet on March 19, 2011, 03:30:39 PM
I just wanted to add that Defoe and VDV have been my favorite players and I own both their shirts which is why I'm taking this especially hard. Those two were just so uninspiring today and it's tearing me up that their ineffectiveness might have just cost us everything.

Modric was gold, by the way. He did everything but pick the ball up and set it at Jermain's feet 3 yards in front of goal while pointing and instructing him to "just kick it over there". I don't even know what Rafa was doing. He just lumbered around looking clammy and sweaty.

And another thing....Robbie Keane has got to be shaking his head. He might have been offsides four times but I guarantee you he would have found a way to stick one or two of those in the back of the net!
Title: Re: Tottenham v West Ham
Post by: aspursfan on March 19, 2011, 04:17:55 PM
I'm with you about Defoe writing on his shirt, WJ. Can't believe he has the audacity to come out and talk about how he considered quitting because he wasn't starting enough games. Blah blah blah! He should consider himself lucky to play for us while going that long without scoring. Look at Pav! He never starts and scores much more often than Defoe.

I was just saying to my girlfriend today how I wish someone would score from a free kick just because it's been forever since Bentley did it and then Bale comes so close!
Title: Re: Tottenham v West Ham
Post by: bigv on March 19, 2011, 04:22:06 PM
I think defoe's tshirt actually read "100 misses and not off the pitch mate" if im not mistaken
Title: Re: Tottenham v West Ham
Post by: aspursfan on March 19, 2011, 04:23:52 PM
Quote from: bigv on March 19, 2011, 04:22:06 PM
I think defoe's tshirt actually read "100 misses and not off the pitch mate" if im not mistaken

 :2funny:
Title: Re: Tottenham v West Ham
Post by: aspursfan on March 19, 2011, 04:26:43 PM
Just saw the Ars*nal score and feel a bit better.
Title: Re: Tottenham v West Ham
Post by: Gareth Keown on March 19, 2011, 04:53:47 PM
ok..... I've heard enough of this Defoe-bashing s**te long enough

 the guy is a striker and he has scored 2 goals the last 2 games....  I'm not his biggest fan but the last 2 seasons he's been very good with his overall contribution in making runs/space for others as well as being less selfish in front of goal.... he hasnt played regularly cos Arry needs to play to the gallery and has to shoehorn in Vaart most of the time..... tell me when does Vaart play well without Crouch next to him to supply him with tap-ins ??.... once, against Villa.... thats IT....1 frekkin game..

I'm actually quite relieved after this final nail in the coffin for finishing Top4 this season.... you have got what you wished for.... Vaart playing (without a proper lone-striker) as much as possible.... Arry likes to please you... he needs to please you for his own ego...

Defoe did very well today... the 2 chances he had were deceptively difficult: 1 micro-second to react to the 1st, and actually doing pretty well to hit the target with little time to adjust to the chance for the 2nd (a great SAVE by Green)...

its over.
Title: Re: Tottenham v West Ham
Post by: bigv on March 19, 2011, 04:57:21 PM
I think he had more than 2 chances gareth. Its clear you dont like the "big Name" players at Spurs such as modric and vdv. I admire your loyalty to the underperforming players such as jenas defoe and that other guy you are always on about. Were you picked on at school?? :D :D :D
Title: Re: Tottenham v West Ham
Post by: Gareth Keown on March 19, 2011, 05:06:05 PM
Modric did as well as he could, so I've no complaints today about him...

I wasnt initially a fan of Defoe when he 1st came, as he was v.selfish and seldom made runs to open up space for others and seldom passed when he could shoot...... ironically, now that he does those things far more he now gets slated for not scoring enough (when this season he's been 2nd choice and also had 3 months off injured).... he's 1 of my favourite players now and IMO would make the complete 2nd-striker (if played as such)...

Vaart was a TOTAL WASTE OF SPACE today, how you can defend this regularly lazy primadonna who pootles around in deep-midfield rather than work his arse off trying to find/create space for others upfront.... all concepts totally over-the-head of you children.... is not even surprising anymore....

NB - please DO remember to have your excuses ready to defend why he YET AGAIN walked off down the tunnel in a huff at being subbed, rather than support his teammates pitchside....  :D

Title: Re: Tottenham v West Ham
Post by: bigv on March 19, 2011, 05:13:39 PM
Granted Vdv was poor today and his inclusion sometimes causes as many conundrums as it does improvements. I was replying in response to your blind defense of defoe who was a disaster today in front of goal. It saddens me to see a squad with so much potential completely stifled by such a sterile strikeforce or management who at this stage in the season does not know how to get it right up front.

Title: Re: Tottenham v West Ham
Post by: Gareth Keown on March 19, 2011, 05:20:03 PM
Defoe is not a lone-striker... Defoe had strijkes on goal that were saved.... so did Pav.... 2 good strikers..

lets all look forward to the many games with Vaart, yet to come..... for years  :up:
Title: Re: Tottenham v West Ham
Post by: WilsonJet on March 19, 2011, 05:29:33 PM
Gareth Keown has "had enough". Oh, the irony! Defoe has scored 3 goals in Spurs last 34 Premier League games. Twice against Wolves and not since a PK against Chelsea April 17th, 2010. Let me repeat. I own the man's shirt. He is my favorite player. HE IS NOT DOING HIS JOB!

And when you say, "it's over". To what are you referring? Would that be this thread, the discussion of Defoe's lack of scoring, the season, Spurs Champions League aspirations for next year, or Spurs future as a top 10 club in the world?

I'm not defending Vaart (not many are on this forum today). If you were following the shout box you can see how I felt about his performance. GK, you say that "we've got what we wanted" and "what we asked for". I never clamored for a Defoe / vdV pairing although I enjoy watching both players in action. In fact, as I was watching the game I thought to myself that you really nailed it in terms of recognizing that the pairing would not work and abou how long it would last.

I know that when you say "you" what you really mean is the "the mindless flock" that you love to reference. There's no such thing. You've fabricated the whole concept so that you can individuate yourself and somehow feel special; actually, so that you can feel superior. If it helps, I think you are very special.

How can you assume that Vaart walks to the dressing room because he is sulking rather than for immediate treatment for chronic issues? I don't know the answer but I don't presume to know either. Just like I don't presume to know what Joe Jordan said to Gattuso either. You are so concerned about "proper sporting behavior" but can't even manage common decency and civility within this forum.
Title: Re: Tottenham v West Ham
Post by: aspursfan on March 19, 2011, 05:55:31 PM
I'm probably going to regret even biting at this, but why not.

I'm not defending Defoe anymore (as I did against your comments, GK, earlier in the season) because of the audacity he's shown by making a statement about wanting to quit and the utter disrespect he's shown to the club, as well as his teammates by making those statements. Bentley is supposedly really full of himself, but when asked (after his loan move)  if he held it against Redknapp for rarely using him, he said that with Lennon playing so well it wouldn't have made sense to play him ahead of Lennon.

You seem to have a real problem with VDV for what you perceive as him being a primadonna, GK. He seems to be very humble when I hear him speak. I definitely don't get that from Defoe. You have no idea why he's going down the tunnel. I would say it's just as likely he's having his hamstring checked because obviously he's not fit enough to play for 90 minutes. Perhaps we should employ logic here. He has a reputation for being extremely injury prone and has picked up quite a few related and recurring injuries since joining us. He has struggled to finish 90 minutes in most games. Does it not make logical sense that he's going down the tunnel for medical reasons? Considering he's being patted on the back by staff today I highly doubt he's pouting as you're insinuating.

I really don't want this to turn into another ruined thread. Hopefully we can discuss this like adults, but I doubt it. If you hate VDV for being a primadonna, why are you supporting Defoe based on what I've just said?
Title: Re: Tottenham v West Ham
Post by: Gareth Keown on March 19, 2011, 06:04:18 PM
you know Willsy, I really expect more from you - 1 of the few ppl that statement would apply to from me here...of those last Spurs 34 games, how many did he play in (out for months thru injury) and how many did he even start in ??....... see how a selective use of stats can leave a skewed perception...

1) no striker is guaranteed to score from any given chance.... remember the Bent miss that Arry said his wife cudda scored ??...... the fact is ANY striker can only convert a % of efforts, and they dont come at a uniform-rate.... remember the 2 wonder-strikes by the same Defoe just 1 game ago ??.... do you ??...

Defoe nowadays plays as a very good 2nd-striker, and works best with Pav as the primary-striker who stays around the box.... he is NOT a lone-striker or even a primary-striker.... he lacks the size,power,height to do so....

2) today Defoe played as a very isolated lone-striker, with his 'supporting-forward' Vaart taking it easy with his feet up deep into midfield stealing the ball from players 2yds away just so that he could hit a pass they could just as easily have hit.... its cheap, its lazy, and it gives him a free-ride at Defoe's expense...

you say that you never clamoured for Defoe-Vaart but then again I think you showed excitement at this pairing in a previous post just  before the game started.... MOST of the 'experts' no doubt were drooling over this 'sumptious' pairing of flair, creativity and goal-threat....before the game.

3) as for my criticism of Vaart walking away down the tunnel after being rightly subbed.... I'm afraid the 'rub-down' argument is ludicrous... I was commenting mainly at the hypocrisy of Spurs fans turning a blind-eye to this when another plarer eg. Chimbonda (or dare I say Jenas) would have been crucified at the lack of respect for the team and his fellow teammates....
Title: Re: Tottenham v West Ham
Post by: Gareth Keown on March 19, 2011, 06:21:07 PM
ASF.... if like Defoe you see an inferior player for this Spurs team (in respect to available viable tactics) repeatredly playing ahead of your inclusion week in week out.... as Pav does too..... then both players will off course consider their future and make it known that they may look elsewhere....

as much as a signal to the manager... who may be taking the easy option (with fans loving Vaart irrespective of tactical problems from his inclusion) to remain popular with the unsophisticated fanbase..... that theyre not happy with that and he better think again....

Bentley's case was entirely different, as he knew was never gonna be better than Lennon in a straight choice between the 2, both individually or tactically..... and probably didnt mind as much with just collecting his salary and combing his lovely hair...
Title: Re: Tottenham v West Ham
Post by: WilsonJet on March 19, 2011, 06:26:12 PM
Isn't a player's relative fitness or lack thereof a factor of his value? Obviously, I'm aware that Defoe didn't play in all of those games, but it doesn't matter because he got paid for all of them. His job is to score goals - and 3 from 34 isn't cost-effective no matter how you cut it. It burns me up because I love the guy and I expect SO MUCH MORE from him.

You're attacking van der Vaart not just because of his performance today, but also because you can't say a word against Modric. I don't think we're "turning a blind eye" to a walk down the tunnel because there is nothing even worth commenting on. The man loves the club, loves being here, thanked the fans, got his pat on the back and is going to the locker room to lick his wounds. He had a bad game -- better luck next time. But, he's still our leading scorer -- and I don' think it takes a genius to figure out that your leading scorer should probably be on the field until proven otherwise....like today.

And as far as the pairing of the two, I was excited because I enjoy watching both players not because I was convinced that the partnership would work. (I said so -- read the thread again) You were absolutely right about that. I give credit when credit is due. And as far as Jermain Defoe goes...no credit is due -- not this season. The man is not producing, so I'm not real thrilled about a self-serving goal celebration that never came to fruition. The ESPN commentators even said afterwards, "time for the highlights -- I expect we'll be seeing a lot of Jermain Defoe misses". How utterly embarrassing.
Title: Re: Tottenham v West Ham
Post by: aspursfan on March 19, 2011, 06:31:29 PM
Quote from: Gareth Keown on March 19, 2011, 06:21:07 PM
who may be taking the easy option (with fans loving Vaart irrespective of tactical problems from his inclusion) to remain popular with the unsophisticated fanbase

Redknapp must be terrified of upsetting these fans you think so lowly of. You seem to feel that Redknapp picks VDV because he has to, and not because he feels he's vital even when he's not fully fit.

He signed William Gallas. I was one of very few voices supporting this decision on forums when that happened. If he's under so much pressure to appease the supporters who are so beneath you, why would he do something so wise yet unpopular?

I think you're making far too many assumptions to support your opinions. You're certainly entitled to not like certain players, but Van der vaart doesn't pick the team or the formation. We signed him for 8M which is peanuts in comparison to other transfers and he's scored some important goals. It's as if you blame him for our team not playing the way you want to see.
Title: Re: Tottenham v West Ham
Post by: Gareth Keown on March 19, 2011, 06:35:28 PM
Willsy.... youre 1st paragraph is so epically 'Ugsesque' I'm not even going to take it beyond its rich comedic value..... so a player like Defoe gets injured but is STILL to blame for not scoring in matvhes that he doesnt even play in..... utterly priceless  :D

the Vaart walking off thing - I really dont think its important enough to comment further on... he is a waste of space in the vast majority of games he has played in..... even Andy Carroll was lucky enough to benefit from scoring many goals in a short-term period.... neither Vaart nor Carroll will see winning state-lottery tickets in their hands again....

the season is now over.... lets just be entertained (in a purely academic sense) by the 2 RM games and remaining Prem games to come, as the inevitable now unfolds..
Title: Re: Tottenham v West Ham
Post by: Gareth Keown on March 19, 2011, 06:39:35 PM
ASF - not about being terrified of the fans at all.... but it is a factor with Arry picking Vaart alot...

lose the game with Vaart starting and the fans will be upset but soon forget.... lise a match without Vaart (if fit) and its far more serious for everyone's favourite messiah.....just ask a certain Hossam Ghaly...
Title: Re: Tottenham v West Ham
Post by: WilsonJet on March 19, 2011, 07:39:36 PM
As usual, whenever you're presented with the compelling alternative viewpoint that you've asked for, you take your ball and go home. It's no longer worth commenting on, or just too funny for words.

My statements weren't nearly ridiculous as your 2 goals in 2 games claim. 2 goals in one game over the course of a season from our supposed number one threat?! Those are David Bentley numbers - not Jermain Defoe numbers. Then he has the audacity to imply that he has somehow been disrespected in the recent squad selection and that he's ready to go if it doesn't change. Ok, Jermain here's your big chance now take us home and put your money where your mouth is - I see you've got your shirt ready for the big "in your face" moment...

Goose egg! Big fat humiliating goose egg...against West Ham....at home....served up on a platter.....no excuse.
Title: Re: Tottenham v West Ham
Post by: Twinsen on March 19, 2011, 07:43:46 PM
Nice game but so many lost attemps :( 19 Mar 2011 Tottenham 0-0 West Ham for mobile (http://rezorro.com) GL Spurs in next matches!
Title: Re: Tottenham v West Ham
Post by: Derry-Yid on March 19, 2011, 09:29:48 PM
Defoe's mind wasnt on it today.


Tottenham manager Harry Redknapp defended Jermain Defoe's poor performance in the 0-0 draw with West Ham, revealing that the striker had been affected by the death of one of his grandparents last night.
"Jermain was up half the night due to a family bereavement,'' Redknapp said. "I wasn't sure whether to play him but he wanted to. He had some good chances today, the little fella, and he normally scores them but it was just one of those days. It wasn't through a lack of effort.
"He was bright, he was sharp he just couldn't score but that's football. That's how it goes, another day he'll go and bang a couple in. The two goals he got at Wolves, he had no right to score them. They weren't even half chances.''
Title: Re: Tottenham v West Ham
Post by: WilsonJet on March 20, 2011, 01:24:16 AM
Quote from: Gareth Keown on March 19, 2011, 08:48:27 PM
Willsy....

1) if a player is injured badly, he cannot play.... if he cannot play, he cannot score goals..

2) please refer to point (1)

I know youre from the United States and all, but this is really getting ridiculous... :uglystupid2:

Tell me how many games he was out with injury then! I'm not counting the games where he was banned cuz that's his own damn fault  -- just the games he was injured. Unless his games missed due to injury is around THIRTY -- he hasn't scored nearly enough.

And not for nothin' -- but that United States crap has got to stop. Keep it outta your mouth jackhole.
I try to be really diplomatic - even friendly - with you. Why do you insist on making it personal?
Title: Re: Tottenham v West Ham
Post by: aspursfan on March 20, 2011, 07:02:41 AM
Quote from: Gareth Keown on March 19, 2011, 08:48:27 PM
Willsy....

1) if a player is injured badly, he cannot play.... if he cannot play, he cannot score goals..

2) please refer to point (1)

I know youre from the United States and all, but this is really getting ridiculous... :uglystupid2:

He makes such a valuable contribution to this forum. Shocked that there isn't more traffic here with posters of Gareth Keown's intellectual caliber.

I think someone in response to Gareth Keown on one of the other forums he trolls said it best:


"Gareth Keown, YOU are irrelevant.

QUOTE
you obviously dont like dealing with FACTS...

And also a hypocrite. You have been faced with tens upon tens of bare faced FACTS, yet have chosen to completely ignore them and continue blindly on with your crusades.

At very best, there are traces of reason to a scant few of the things you say, yet you simply refuse to meet, or acknowledge, any un-arguable points thrown your way.

I'm all for a debate, but not when the person in question uses vague buzzword phrases, and diversionary tactics as the FULCRUM (remember that word ?) of his arguments."


There's no point in trying to be nice with a pathetic forum troll. I've tried, but he's a c*nt. He'll always be a c*nt and he's probably going to die without ever seeing a c*nt.

By the way, this is a pretty entertaining read. I'm sure they don't want me posting links to another forum on here, but let me know if you want the link to a few pages of people showing him what a complete and utter twat he is.


Title: Re: Tottenham v West Ham
Post by: Gareth Keown on March 20, 2011, 09:29:24 AM
calm down ladies, this is all getting abit too passionate now on your parts...

Defoe was injured for around 2.5 months just at the time when Vaart joined.... in Defoe's absence Vaart had a lucky scoring streak, hugely benefiting from tap-ins mainly from Crouch's hard work in drawing BOTH CBs away thus creatingf the space for someone else..... something Vaart is yet to do in his 4 months here...

after Vaart quickly cemented his hype with the Spurs 'experts' it became very hard for Arry to drop him when fit.... even tho Arry knew/knows that it causes us to play well only with Crouch paired with him, causing us to play in a set way (longball) with little or no variation...

THAT'S WHY both Defoe and Pav are fed up at being 2nd choice to an inferior forward player who spends most his time lazily hiding in deep-midfield, only finallly emerge rarely upfront when others have done all the work and created the space for him.... abit like the bosses son turning up to work after lunch at 2.55pm (5mins before the boss returns from his business trip)....

now that the lucky scoring streak has stopped, as they always do..... Spurs will carry on as a mid-table team until the situation is rectified...
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Title: Re: Tottenham v West Ham
Post by: bigv on March 20, 2011, 11:01:33 AM
Quote from: aspursfan on March 20, 2011, 07:02:41 AM
Quote from: Gareth Keown on March 19, 2011, 08:48:27 PM
Willsy....

1) if a player is injured badly, he cannot play.... if he cannot play, he cannot score goals..

2) please refer to point (1)

I know youre from the United States and all, but this is really getting ridiculous... :uglystupid2:

He makes such a valuable contribution to this forum. Shocked that there isn't more traffic here with posters of Gareth Keown's intellectual caliber.

I think someone in response to Gareth Keown on one of the other forums he trolls said it best:


"Gareth Keown, YOU are irrelevant.

QUOTE
you obviously dont like dealing with FACTS...

And also a hypocrite. You have been faced with tens upon tens of bare faced FACTS, yet have chosen to completely ignore them and continue blindly on with your crusades.

At very best, there are traces of reason to a scant few of the things you say, yet you simply refuse to meet, or acknowledge, any un-arguable points thrown your way.

I'm all for a debate, but not when the person in question uses vague buzzword phrases, and diversionary tactics as the FULCRUM (remember that word ?) of his arguments."


There's no point in trying to be nice with a pathetic forum troll. I've tried, but he's a c*nt. He'll always be a c*nt and he's probably going to die without ever seeing a c*nt.

By the way, this is a pretty entertaining read. I'm sure they don't want me posting links to another forum on here, but let me know if you want the link to a few pages of people showing him what a complete and utter twat he is.


Cheers for the link but I have seen this assessment of Gareth clowns contribution to a sister forum a while back. It seems we are not alone in thinking he is an utter fool with the i.q of a potato chip. Dont let him rile you, especially with his comments about your nationality. This is a tactic his has deployed before and I am sure he has bee reprimanded by admin because of it. I welcome you and your fellow compatriot's contributions to the forum immensely and take great satisfaction to think that our club is held in such high regard by dedicated fans across the world who take time to analyse and discuss the current plight of Tottenham Hotspur football club with likeminded people. Gareth you are pathetic. When faced with valid counter-argument you either ignore the post or reply with irrelevant points or a reply laced with personal criticisms.
You are becoming tiresome dear boy. Can you not come up with something new???
Title: Re: Tottenham v West Ham
Post by: ugs on March 20, 2011, 11:27:54 AM
Another thread thats way off topic, surprise surprise !!
 
 8D
Title: Re: Tottenham v West Ham
Post by: Gareth Keown on March 20, 2011, 11:29:30 AM
exactly Ugsy.... try sticking to the topic ie. yesterday's game..... rather than making this, yet again, all about ME  :coolsmiley:

valid counter-argument  =  Defoe is to blame for not scoring in the majority of last 34 Spurs that he HASNT played in.... :lol:

thank God you at least have Obama to even things up over there.... amen.
Title: Re: Tottenham v West Ham
Post by: WilsonJet on March 20, 2011, 02:01:12 PM
I'll answer my own question then about JD's Premier League productivity:

Defoe --> 2 Goals / 2 Assists in 15 appearances (12 Starts / 3 Sub) -- admittedly not as bad as I thought
Crouch --> 2 Goals / 7 Assists in 26 appearances (15 Starts / 11 Sub)
Pav --> 7 Goals / 2 Assists in 22 appearances (12 Starts / 10 Sub)
Vaart --> 10 Goals / 6 Assists in 20 appearances (20 Starts)

Crouch has actually been more ineffective as a goalscorer than Defoe in the Premier League but he has helped to create chances (almost entirely for Rafa), and he has scored important goals in the Champions League. The thing that jumps out at me, though, is the fact that van der Vaart has only played 5 more games than Defoe but has 8 more goals.

Yesterday, really bothered me because it was a must-win game and Defoe was given a golden opportunity to get us those three points. As pointed out in another thread we set a league record yesterday with 33 attempts on goal without a score -- and unfortunately Defoe was the trigger man on the majority of those attempts. Couple that with his recent comments to the press and the obvious goal celebration in wait that never happened....Let's just say it wasn't a career highlight for Mr. Defoe.

On top of that, the guy is one of my favorite players. I really wanted him to do well and he let me down. I've said it over and over again. No he's not to blame for an entire season, but our strikers have been a serious issue (obviously) and he's our best guy. So what does that say? I think my feelings are entirely valid.

Having said all that, I feel like a little bit of a douche because the man lost a grandparent over the weekend -- so my heart goes out to him and his family. For what it's worth, my wife lost a grandparent last night too. That's the truth.

No need for the personal stuff as a means to defend your perspective Gareth. I am choosing the Ignore button from here on out, however.
Title: Re: Tottenham v West Ham
Post by: WilsonJet on March 20, 2011, 02:06:00 PM
But before I go, I just want to dedicate this to you Gareth Keown...I imagine that's you at 1:10

The Creep (feat. Nicki Minaj & John Waters) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLPZmPaHme0#ws)