Tottenham 0-3 West Ham

[a12 warrior]

Paul Finch is correct teams like West Ham must be beaten at home, not a divine right but 3 points at home. Last sesaon we did not deal with Norwich, Wigan etc and that cost us the CL spot, teams will park the bus and we have to be able to break them down thats how Chelsea are they grind out results and win ugly!!!
Voice metions 64% of the match, as said that counts for nothing I would rather have 40% and win 1-0
 Paul Finch says long way to go but its what happens from here!!

[Glenn R]

       Voice we may have had 64% of possession, but for all that possession how many shots did we have on target, not many, how may saves did their keeper have to make, again not many, which just goes too show that most of our possession was in the back third and middle third of the pitch, we just couldn't break them down in the last third, a problem we had last season when teams parked the bus, and if we are to be serious contenders we have to learn how to do it, because there are going to be plenty of teams that are going to park the bus when they come to the Lane.
       I just hope that this is just a minor setback in our quest for glory, it is after all a marathon not a sprint.
        But as I said previously Time will Tell.
 
 
     

But isn’t that what I said? That we are not supplying our striker (s)? That was our problem, changing strikers wouldn’t solve that. Yes, we had 64% of the game but our shots at goal were very poor. And they have been in all the league games (not cup matches). In league matches we are up against a different class of team. Up and until the West Ham game we had a brilliant defence and the midfield was excellent. I also believe we’ve got the right striker (s). What we haven’t got yet is somebody to supply our striker (s). Why? Do we need Lennon back or somebody to replace Bale? Maybe Sandro should be playing more? Maybe we should be playing Érik Lamela a bit more as well; after all we paid something like £26 million for him. Did we miss Rose? I think AVB made a tactical mistake in the West Ham game (including not substituting earlier). I don’t hold that against him as all managers make mistakes. The question is; will he learn from it? I think so. 

Finally, and repeating what I said in another post; I can’t understand why AVB used Defoe. Yes he is scoring goals, but in Cup competitions against weaker teams. By bringing on Defoe he undermined Soldado and this might have some effect on him. Was AVB put under pressure for the call for Defoe to return? From the press and fans, alike? If I can see that we are not supplying our strikers then why doesn’t he? Or maybe he does and is trying to solve the problem. Let us hope that is the case. We’ve got the team to fight for the title and win a trophy this year. Maybe he just needs time and patience; but time and patience waits for no man.

[Glenn R]

Paul Finch is correct teams like West Ham must be beaten at home, not a divine right but 3 points at home. Last sesaon we did not deal with Norwich, Wigan etc and that cost us the CL spot, teams will park the bus and we have to be able to break them down thats how Chelsea are they grind out results and win ugly!!!
Voice metions 64% of the match, as said that counts for nothing I would rather have 40% and win 1-0
 Paul Finch says long way to go but its what happens from here!!

But we can have both; majority of play and winning as well. We just need to feed our strikers. To me that is the problem.

There is a long way to go, but we haven't got that long way to go to get our act together. We've got games to get it right.

[Metalanimal]

Whilst the score and result makes me  :hide:with shame I am not all doom and gloom about it, our season is not over and every game until the spammers one we have dominated opposition and ground out results and in most cases should have won by more.

IMO its now crystal that Defoe is not first choice for the EPL he simply does not have the quality past his best before date for sure, I would still like to see him and Soldado have a pop as 2 up front though!

Walker was not 100% reported ill and should not have played, Dawson and JVT burnt out from recent games, Naughton simply not good enough to even be on the bench.

We lacked spark creativity and stamina vs wet spam, now I hope AVB is clear on priorities, he is a good manager and considering his age and time in the game a hell of a prospect for us.  As a team we have to constantly evolve with our style, strategy tactics etc, if we stay dormant we become easy to handle.

I expect a good result on our next EPL outting, having Rose return will help also.

[aspursfan]

having Rose return will help also.

You know what would be even better than that? If we hadn't sent BAE out on loan! I still haven't found the logic in that.

[RiffHard]

having Rose return will help also.

You know what would be even better than that? If we hadn't sent BAE out on loan! I still haven't found the logic in that.

I agree with that. Villas-Boas was naive to think we would get by the season with one mediocre LB (Rose) and another one who can play there, but is actually a below-par RB (Naughton).

[Paul Finch]

         I like you Riff find it very hard to understand why AVB sent BAE out on loan, to my mind he is still a quality LB with a lot to offer in my opinion, not that my opinion counts for much.
 
 

[Glenn R]

         I like you Riff find it very hard to understand why AVB sent BAE out on loan, to my mind he is still a quality LB with a lot to offer in my opinion, not that my opinion counts for much.
 
 

Whether one agrees or not all opinions matter.

From what I've read BAE was sent out on loan because he wasn't prepared to sit and wait for his turn. However, he can be recalled if necessary.

[spursjoolz]

I think BAE couldn't be bothered to put in a shift. Too laid back imo. He is  a very good LB and the problem is that his absence has weakened our back 4. 

Anyway this result at the lane against  WH will never happen again! Just a bad day that's all

[Paul Finch]

     I find it very strange(or maybe convenient) that when a player such as BAE is loaned out there always seems to be people that have read somewhere that he wasn't prepared to either wait his turn or put in a shift, he has always waited his turn and put in his shift, I am sorry but I fail to understand how AVB can be prepared to send out our best LB on loan when he doesn't have a better replacement, what the f**k does it matter whether he is too laid back, what matters is whether or not he can do the job and the answer to that is YES, and more importantly he can give players such as Rose and Naughton valuable tuition in how to play the position(which they obviously need), you also have to remember that BAE had a serious injury last year, which meant that he missed the majority of the season. 
 
 

[spursjoolz]

My point PF was that AVB choses not to play him because he IS too laid back and that makes him a risk. If it was down to me, laid back or not, he would not be out on loan, but AVB obviously thinks otherwise. 

[Glenn R]

     I find it very strange(or maybe convenient) that when a player such as BAE is loaned out there always seems to be people that have read somewhere that he wasn't prepared to either wait his turn or put in a shift, he has always waited his turn and put in his shift, I am sorry but I fail to understand how AVB can be prepared to send out our best LB on loan when he doesn't have a better replacement, what the f**k does it matter whether he is too laid back, what matters is whether or not he can do the job and the answer to that is YES, and more importantly he can give players such as Rose and Naughton valuable tuition in how to play the position(which they obviously need), you also have to remember that BAE had a serious injury last year, which meant that he missed the majority of the season. 
 
 

How do you know those other people are wrong? Yes, you could be right, but on the other hand you could be clutching at straws. Unless we are saying AVB is a fool I am sure he knows what he is doing. He is privileged to a lot of information we are not. At least they haven't sold him.

[Paul Finch]

         Obviously Voice you agree with the decision to send BAE out on loan, well I, like quite a few of the other contributors to this site, DO NOT, I fail to see the reasoning behind sending your best LB out on loan when you only have 1 other LB(Rose) on your books who is injured, plus a RB(Naughton) who you insist on playing at LB, and is clearly not up to it. Yes we do have Vertonghen who can play at LB, but who obviously wants to play CB. I am not clutching at straws, if we had another accomplished LB, I would not be so critical, but we don't, so I have every right to question the decision to loan him out!! As far as I am concerned it was a stupid decision.
 
 
 
 

[Glenn R]

         Obviously Voice you agree with the decision to send BAE out on loan, well I, like quite a few of the other contributors to this site, DO NOT, I fail to see the reasoning behind sending your best LB out on loan when you only have 1 other LB(Rose) on your books who is injured, plus a RB(Naughton) who you insist on playing at LB, and is clearly not up to it. Yes we do have Vertonghen who can play at LB, but who obviously wants to play CB. I am not clutching at straws, if we had another accomplished LB, I would not be so critical, but we don't, so I have every right to question the decision to loan him out!! As far as I am concerned it was a stupid decision.
 
 

Actually I didn't say I agree, however, he has gone and I am sure AVB knows what he is doing (hopefully).

Of course you or anybody has a right to question any decision (even mine), all I am saying is that he must know what he is doing. If not then we've got more problems than we can imagine. I suppose the answer will come at the end of the season if his decision was right or wrong.

[Paul Finch]

 I suppose the answer will come at the end of the season if his decision was right or wrong.

       I am sorry but that is a ridiculous statement to make, that is a statement from somebody who is never prepared to admit that maybe, just maybe the coach has made a wrong decision, Voice you are sitting on the fence yet again, is your glass half full or half empty?
      I am starting to warm to AVB and his methods, we are starting to play some really attractive, attacking football again, and he has made some inspired signings, but I like many others fail to understand this decision to loan out BAE, and never will!