Why Spurs Fan fear missing out on Champions League football again?

[Paul Finch]

Voice,
        With respect, the Bald-one with the Dog never mentioned AVB in his post, and there is an element of truth to what he says, the last time we were in the CL, Levy spent nothing on improving the squad did he? and one has to wonder that when we qualify for CL next year, whether Mr Levy will invest in the squad or do what he does best and spend NOTHING, personally history tells me it will be as little as he possibly can.


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[Glenn R]

Voice,
        With respect, the Bald-one with the Dog never mentioned AVB in his post, and there is an element of truth to what he says, the last time we were in the CL, Levy spent nothing on improving the squad did he? and one has to wonder that when we qualify for CL next year, whether Mr Levy will invest in the squad or do what he does best and spend NOTHING, personally history tells me it will be as little as he possibly can.


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It is true that he never mentioned AVB or even Mr Levy in the main section of his post, however, on the signature section of his posts it says, and I quote: “AVB OUT, AND TAKE LEVY WITH YOU” so technically he does mention AVB. So you are wrong there (if one was being pedantic).
He spent money on the squad; whether it improved it is another matter. Over the years he has spent a lot of money on the club and will do so within the means the club has got. But it won’t be until we have a bigger and better stadium – that will generate more cash – that we can compete with the likes of Chelsea, City, United and Ars*nal.

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Voice,
        With respect, the Bald-one with the Dog never mentioned AVB in his post, and there is an element of truth to what he says, the last time we were in the CL, Levy spent nothing on improving the squad did he? and one has to wonder that when we qualify for CL next year, whether Mr Levy will invest in the squad or do what he does best and spend NOTHING, personally history tells me it will be as little as he possibly can.


 

It is true that he never mentioned AVB or even Mr Levy in the main section of his post, however, on the signature section of his posts it says, and I quote: “AVB OUT, AND TAKE LEVY WITH YOU” so technically he does mention AVB. So you are wrong there (if one was being pedantic).
He spent money on the squad; whether it improved it is another matter. Over the years he has spent a lot of money on the club and will do so within the means the club has got. But it won’t be until we have a bigger and better stadium – that will generate more cash – that we can compete with the likes of Chelsea, City, United and Ars*nal.

This is the exact type of answer that has basically stopped me posting because you just can't answer a post without trying to belittle or trying to prove you are soooo much more informed or intelligent than the person who has a different view to you.
 
Bald Bloke and Mr Finch have a relevant point regarding the fact that Mr Levy is tight as a ducks arse but because you don't agree...... I give up !!!!
 
 

[baldbloke]

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It is true that he never mentioned AVB or even Mr Levy in the main section of his post, however, on the signature section of his posts it says, and I quote: “AVB OUT, AND TAKE LEVY WITH YOU” so technically he does mention AVB. So you are wrong there (if one was being pedantic).
He spent money on the squad; whether it improved it is another matter. Over the years he has spent a lot of money on the club and will do so within the means the club has got. But it won’t be until we have a bigger and better stadium – that will generate more cash – that we can compete with the likes of Chelsea, City, United and Ars*nal.
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Thank god your not a banker (a BANKER I said). Can't you see that building a new stadium will restrict our spending and NOT increase it. Look at Ars*nal, they have had next to nothing to spend on players because of the massive debt they accumulated on building the Emirates. Ours will be worse, because our revenue will be significantly less then theirs, due to the fact they can demand greater sponsorship and higher ticket prices. So as far as new players go, as soon as those bricks are being laid, you can forget any quality signings for many years to come. It could also be said that our lack of activity in the transfer market over the last 4 years has also something to do with any new stadium. That isn't necessarily to say we shouldn't build a new stadium, however any success on the pitch after it's construction will probably be in the very distant future.

But never mind VOICE, at least our supporters will have the bragging rights of large stadium.

With regards to my previous post regarding CL qualification. That was a generic comment based on ANY club in our position. As I said before, if the club in question isn't prepared to spend a large % of it's CL money on strengthening  the squad in order it can move forward, there is little point in qualifying for it in the first place. Part of Spurs history is NOT qualifying for the CL, its about winning trophies, and giving it's fans great days out at Wembley etc. It appears to me that we blew our chances at two domestic trophies this year, because they weren't a priority. This attitude is far from unique, as our North London neighbors have exactly the same business plan, and where has that got them over the last 8 years ?

[RiffHard]

A new stadium plus lack of success (and lack of income) could easily destroy us. The club should actually win something (and not once) before taking such a huge gamble.

[RSS61]

A new stadium plus lack of success (and lack of income) could easily destroy us. The club should actually win something (and not once) before taking such a huge gamble.

A new stadium should be a capital investment over maybe 20 years, and nothing to do with expenditure on players, or as you say we will be taking a huge gamble.

However if we can get back in ths CL and stay there, the income of 20 + million a year would fund the stadium over 20 years.

[baldbloke]

A new stadium plus lack of success (and lack of income) could easily destroy us. The club should actually win something (and not once) before taking such a huge gamble.

A new stadium should be a capital investment over maybe 20 years, and nothing to do with expenditure on players, or as you say we will be taking a huge gamble.

However if we can get back in ths CL and stay there, the income of 20 + million a year would fund the stadium over 20 years.

Yes, but that is if with a capital "I"

Unless you are a Chelsea or Man City you can't but CL every year. Even if we qualify this year and possibly next year, there is no guarantee we will qualify until the stadium is paid for. I have mentioned on many previous threads that there is no president of any club becoming successful due to building a new stadium, all other clubs that have build such a stadium are successful first.

Knowing how easy it is to get tickets for my friend, makes me feel doubtful that we will sell out for games other than the big matches such as Ars*nal, Chelsea and Man Utd etc. Evening cup games could prove embarrassing for the club with waves of empty seats.   

[Glenn R]

This is the exact type of answer that has basically stopped me posting because you just can't answer a post without trying to belittle or trying to prove you are soooo much more informed or intelligent than the person who has a different view to you.

The post wasn’t belittling but making a point. Whether you agree with that point or not is your problem. I’ve been on forums and run forums for years and one thing you learn is that there are all types on forums; with all different point of views, humour and ways. You can either ignore them, answer them but whatever you do differences won’t go away (unless you want an authoritarian system?)
As for “different viewpoints”: I welcome them as it gives us/ me something to reply to or debate with. Because I don’t share views that you do doesn’t make me wrong.
 

Bald Bloke and Mr Finch have a relevant point regarding the fact that Mr Levy is tight as a ducks arse but because you don't agree...... I give up !!!!
 
 

All points can be construed as relevant; but whether they have any substance to them is another matter.
As for Mr Levy being “as tight as a ducks arse”; Spurs can’t compete financially on the same level as United, City, Ars*nal or Chelsea and we must recognise that. Nevertheless he has spent quite a lot since rescuing Spurs from debt and bankruptcy (and over the last couple of years we’ve done well). For that we should give him credit. On top of that he is building a bigger club that can – hopefully – compete with the clubs I mentioned. I think you presume that Spurs have unlimited funds. You know nothing about running a club or what it entails (financially) so your comments about Mr Levy are based on ignorance. So therefore I don’t agree with you, Baldbloke or Mr Finch. I hope that answers your question?

[Glenn R]

Thank god your not a banker (a BANKER I said).

And what makes you think I am not a banker (that is BANKER)?

Can't you see that building a new stadium will restrict our spending and NOT increase it. Look at Ars*nal, they have had next to nothing to spend on players because of the massive debt they accumulated on building the Emirates. Ours will be worse, because our revenue will be significantly less then theirs, due to the fact they can demand greater sponsorship and higher ticket prices. So as far as new players go, as soon as those bricks are being laid, you can forget any quality signings for many years to come. It could also be said that our lack of activity in the transfer market over the last 4 years has also something to do with any new stadium. That isn't necessarily to say we shouldn't build a new stadium, however any success on the pitch after it's construction will probably be in the very distant future.

We have spent a lot over the last 4 years.
I agree that building a new stadium could turn into a disaster, but it also could turn Spurs into a greater success. I am sure that Mr Levy has learnt the mistakes of other clubs (including Ars*nal) when making plans for a new stadium. I personally think that we need a new stadium with the entire extra’s it will bring in. Mr Levy has stated that building a new stadium won’t affect the transfer market. He could be talking bulls**t, he could be right. There is only one way to find out. One thing is for sure though is that you and I are not privileged to Spurs plans. You are a cynic and hate the manager and director so will always look at it gloomily. I accept that there will be minefields ahead but I feel if Spurs want to compete with the best they’ve got to take chances. So, yes I support Mr Levy on building a new Stadium.

But never mind VOICE, at least our supporters will have the bragging rights of large stadium.

Yes, and they could also have a lot that goes with it as well. We just don’t know until we’ve got it.

With regards to my previous post regarding CL qualification. That was a generic comment based on ANY club in our position. As I said before, if the club in question isn't prepared to spend a large % of it's CL money on strengthening  the squad in order it can move forward, there is little point in qualifying for it in the first place. Part of Spurs history is NOT qualifying for the CL, its about winning trophies, and giving it's fans great days out at Wembley etc. It appears to me that we blew our chances at two domestic trophies this year, because they weren't a priority. This attitude is far from unique, as our North London neighbors have exactly the same business plan, and where has that got them over the last 8 years ?

Who said it wasn’t a priority? Not the club or manager; it is only not a priority in your head.

As for Spurs history; that should change and adapt and not forget where the money is? To win trophies we need the best players and to get the best players we must be in a competition that generates more money.

As for what it got Ars*nal; higher league position and trophies. More than we actually got and higher than we actually got; let us hope this season we will be higher than them.

[Glenn R]

A new stadium plus lack of success (and lack of income) could easily destroy us. The club should actually win something (and not once) before taking such a huge gamble.

It is true that it could destroy us; at the same time it could get Spurs more. We don't actually know until we are there. I think the gamble is worth it.

[Glenn R]

A new stadium plus lack of success (and lack of income) could easily destroy us. The club should actually win something (and not once) before taking such a huge gamble.

A new stadium should be a capital investment over maybe 20 years, and nothing to do with expenditure on players, or as you say we will be taking a huge gamble.

However if we can get back in ths CL and stay there, the income of 20 + million a year would fund the stadium over 20 years.

Exactly.

[Glenn R]

A new stadium plus lack of success (and lack of income) could easily destroy us. The club should actually win something (and not once) before taking such a huge gamble.

A new stadium should be a capital investment over maybe 20 years, and nothing to do with expenditure on players, or as you say we will be taking a huge gamble.

However if we can get back in ths CL and stay there, the income of 20 + million a year would fund the stadium over 20 years.

Yes, but that is if with a capital "I"

Unless you are a Chelsea or Man City you can't but CL every year. Even if we qualify this year and possibly next year, there is no guarantee we will qualify until the stadium is paid for. I have mentioned on many previous threads that there is no president of any club becoming successful due to building a new stadium, all other clubs that have build such a stadium are successful first.

Knowing how easy it is to get tickets for my friend, makes me feel doubtful that we will sell out for games other than the big matches such as Ars*nal, Chelsea and Man Utd etc. Evening cup games could prove embarrassing for the club with waves of empty seats.   

Always the cynic. Yes "if" but if we don't try it then we will always be the also-runs.