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Re: Doesnt This Just Break Your Heart
« Reply #30 on: January 04, 2013, 07:57:33 AM »
This is where the problem comes with any transfer of a player that wants to leave for whatever reason, if they want to go in the current footballing climate they hold all the cards. To be honest both Modric and Berbatov made it clear that they wanted to leave and it was the club dragging it's heels, quite rightly trying to persuade them to stay or ensuring the club got the right deal, that caused the delays leading to the rebelious actions !!. In both cases the club did well out the deals financially but lost a valuable asset, and that is the thing players are assets and are there to be cashed in on under the right circumstances, In both cases I would much prefer the player to have stayed and continued playing for us but from their point of view they want to further their career and fulfil their potential, which normally means playing Champions League that we couldn't provide.
 
Far worse in my opinion is the player that refuses to sign a new contract and allows his current one to run out then walks away as this leaves the club with no financial reward and no player. One player springs to mind that has done that in recent years but I won't mention his name as I don't want to get that angry !!!!
 
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It is interesting to note that both Berba and Modric, despite engineering large pay rises, never flourished for Man U or Real.
This tells me that neither of them were the world class players that Fergie and Mourinho, and Abramovic for that matter,  obviously thought they were. They both stood out at Tottenham, where they were the pick of the bunch. As I have said before, Berba was always lazy, and Modric never scores enough goals, which is why I would not want him back.

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Re: Doesnt This Just Break Your Heart
« Reply #31 on: January 04, 2013, 09:11:23 AM »
IMO, any player leaving any club like Modric and Berba deserve all that's coming to them.

Modric did bitch quite abit and went AWOL for a while and if my memory serves me right didn't play (refused) some of the warm-ups. Whilst, there is no grudge against him and I wish him all the best, it does not bother me that he sits on the bench at RM and I wouldn't want him back at the club. There are others.

I won't bring Sol Campbell (AKA Judas) into this equation, too much has already been said about that and none of it complimentary,  but if we look at Pat Jennings departure in the 70's when Spurs were relegated to the old 2nd Div (Spurs History), he left for a valid reason IMO and is still an ambassador for the club.

Are there other players who left the cub under a cloud?

So I assume that we will all be booing Clint Dempsey then for refusing to play and going AWOL to engineer a move away from Fulham !!!!
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No course we wont as he left Fulham, I dont give a toss how players treat other clubs I give a s**t about THFC and thats it!
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Re: Doesnt This Just Break Your Heart
« Reply #32 on: January 05, 2013, 08:07:32 PM »
Poor poor Luka Modric has been voted as the worst signing of the season by supporters.

After the dignified manner in which he left our club and went about securing his transfer I am so gutted for him, ha ha ha ha ha ha yeah right!!!!

I am soooooooooooooo pleased its not working out as he hoped, only 8 league starts the grass wasn't greener in spain but the wages are of course higher!

Luka Modric a Real bench warmer lol

I suppose you will be slagging off Bale when he goes in the summer. Football is just a job to a player, they are NOT supporters. If I was earning £70k a week at Spurs and club XY or Z wanted to double it, I would be off like a shot. Personally I would have him back like a shot, and send Dembele back to Fulham

It is totally irrelevant that it is just a job to footballers.
When Modric joined, I said that if we had him for three years and then made a shed load of profit I would be happy (believing from the off that we had signed a great player). I understand that, especially reaching a certain age, players want to maximise their career - and Modric is coming into his prime years. So, I have nothing theoretically against a player wanting to move on and up (where it is genuinely moving up).

TYhe way they go about it, however, is something I do have a concern with. Modric colluded in being tapped up by hated rivals. He refused to play. After being taken back into the fold, he did it all again the following Summer. And the bit that gets my goat is this: if he had 4 years remaining on his contract and he was offered a 76 year contract at greatly increased wages, surely if he was actively thinking of moving as soon as possible and demanding a right to do so (his famous
gentleman's agreement
) then he was getting his extra money under false pretenses, because the whole idea of offering him an extended contract at a higher rate of pay was to encourage him to stay for longer ans he had no intention of doing so. He got those extra wages under false pretenses and showed no integrity in how he went about getting his move.

Now, I feel largely indifferent to him - we got plenty of money for him, and are moving forward with a different and differnetly set-up midfield that is just about as effective, but in purely philosophical terms, he behaved poorly.
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Re: Doesnt This Just Break Your Heart
« Reply #33 on: January 05, 2013, 11:15:57 PM »

It is totally irrelevant that it is just a job to footballers.
When Modric joined, I said that if we had him for three years and then made a shed load of profit I would be happy (believing from the off that we had signed a great player). I understand that, especially reaching a certain age, players want to maximise their career - and Modric is coming into his prime years. So, I have nothing theoretically against a player wanting to move on and up (where it is genuinely moving up).

The way they go about it, however, is something I do have a concern with. Modric colluded in being tapped up by hated rivals. He refused to play. After being taken back into the fold, he did it all again the following Summer. And the bit that gets my goat is this: if he had 4 years remaining on his contract and he was offered a 76 year contract at greatly increased wages, surely if he was actively thinking of moving as soon as possible and demanding a right to do so (his famous gentleman's agreement) then he was getting his extra money under false pretenses, because the whole idea of offering him an extended contract at a higher rate of pay was to encourage him to stay for longer ans he had no intention of doing so. He got those extra wages under false pretenses and showed no integrity in how he went about getting his move.

Now, I feel largely indifferent to him - we got plenty of money for him, and are moving forward with a different and differnetly set-up midfield that is just about as effective, but in purely philosophical terms, he behaved poorly.

The Chelsea episode left a bad taste and the Real episode an even worse one. Modric was no longer the hero he was meant to be and became yet another mercenary. His bench warming experience is sad, but deserved imo.

Now, the rumours surrounding Bale (joining Modric at RM) are very strong indeed and the addition of Holtby could suggest that he may be a replacement, although perhaps not quite the same player. I sincereley hope that I am wrong in this assumption and that Freund's influence (at Shalke) of adding a good attacking midfielder is the real reason behind Holtby's arrival.
 

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Re: Doesnt This Just Break Your Heart
« Reply #34 on: January 06, 2013, 01:04:29 AM »
Whilst I have an indifferent feeling towards Modric, the main reason for his behaviour comes down to two reasons
!. Chelsea getting into his ear with the offer of Inflated Wages, this started it. We managed to thwart that.
2. Then 12 mths later Real Madrid doing the self same thing, and we all know the result.
    Surely that Puppet who runs EUFA, Michelle Platini, should step in and stop this sort of thing happening in the future, he wont but he should.


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Re: Doesnt This Just Break Your Heart
« Reply #35 on: January 06, 2013, 10:54:43 AM »
None of us know what actually went on behind the scenes and what agreements were made, Gentlemanly or otherwise. However, what if the agreement that was made was first broken by Levy? He may have said I will be happy to stay at Spurs if we get into CL at the end of the year. If we fail to do that then he would be allowed to leave without pressure to stay or have a long protracted transfer saga.

If Levy suddenly changed his mind and tried to keep him and looked to be making his exit more difficult, will you still feel the same animosity towards him (Modric)?
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Re: Doesnt This Just Break Your Heart
« Reply #36 on: January 06, 2013, 12:43:12 PM »
Yes, as surely if this was the case Modric should have come out and given such a reason instead the little ratman acted bang out of order!
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Re: Doesnt This Just Break Your Heart
« Reply #37 on: January 06, 2013, 01:53:00 PM »
Why would he? Has Harry said anything bad about Spurs after he left? I just don't see why some people get so worked up about how they perceive what happened and judging others behaviour. What a futile waste of energy. Having so much anger about something that does not damage your life in any way is pointless and only harms yourself.

Having compassion for others' particularly when they have chosen a difficult path is the best way to free your mind from constraints and become free. Stop living in the past and concentrate on the present moment - it is the only thing that exists after all.  :)
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Re: Doesnt This Just Break Your Heart
« Reply #38 on: January 06, 2013, 02:29:27 PM »
It is the present moment Mods is struggling at Real and I love it!

Are you a Jedi as you speak like Yoda and Obi Wan combined lol
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Re: Doesnt This Just Break Your Heart
« Reply #39 on: January 06, 2013, 04:17:18 PM »

It is totally irrelevant that it is just a job to footballers.
When Modric joined, I said that if we had him for three years and then made a shed load of profit I would be happy (believing from the off that we had signed a great player). I understand that, especially reaching a certain age, players want to maximise their career - and Modric is coming into his prime years. So, I have nothing theoretically against a player wanting to move on and up (where it is genuinely moving up).

The way they go about it, however, is something I do have a concern with. Modric colluded in being tapped up by hated rivals. He refused to play. After being taken back into the fold, he did it all again the following Summer. And the bit that gets my goat is this: if he had 4 years remaining on his contract and he was offered a 76 year contract at greatly increased wages, surely if he was actively thinking of moving as soon as possible and demanding a right to do so (his famous gentleman's agreement) then he was getting his extra money under false pretenses, because the whole idea of offering him an extended contract at a higher rate of pay was to encourage him to stay for longer ans he had no intention of doing so. He got those extra wages under false pretenses and showed no integrity in how he went about getting his move.

Now, I feel largely indifferent to him - we got plenty of money for him, and are moving forward with a different and differnetly set-up midfield that is just about as effective, but in purely philosophical terms, he behaved poorly.

The Chelsea episode left a bad taste and the Real episode an even worse one. Modric was no longer the hero he was meant to be and became yet another mercenary. His bench warming experience is sad, but deserved imo.

Now, the rumours surrounding Bale (joining Modric at RM) are very strong indeed and the addition of Holtby could suggest that he may be a replacement, although perhaps not quite the same player. I sincereley hope that I am wrong in this assumption and that Freund's influence (at Shalke) of adding a good attacking midfielder is the real reason behind Holtby's arrival.

As said in the thread relating to Bale and Real, I'm not really buying into this notion that it is inevitible that he will leave in the Summer.

And Holtby isn't a positional match for Bale by any stretch of the imagination.
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Re: Doesnt This Just Break Your Heart
« Reply #40 on: January 06, 2013, 04:23:55 PM »

As said in the thread relating to Bale and Real, I'm not really buying into this notion that it is inevitible that he will leave in the Summer.


I hope you are right on this one.

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Re: Doesnt This Just Break Your Heart
« Reply #41 on: January 06, 2013, 04:38:34 PM »
None of us know what actually went on behind the scenes and what agreements were made, Gentlemanly or otherwise. However, what if the agreement that was made was first broken by Levy? He may have said I will be happy to stay at Spurs if we get into CL at the end of the year. If we fail to do that then he would be allowed to leave without pressure to stay or have a long protracted transfer saga.

If Levy suddenly changed his mind and tried to keep him and looked to be making his exit more difficult, will you still feel the same animosity towards him (Modric)?

As explained previously, the
animosity
towards him (which is hardly folk wanding about with pitch-forks and flaming torches hunting for Modric - so don't over egg that), is not about his aspirations but about how he behaved.
Firstly, he was tapped up by Abrahmovich, that much was clear. And so, where you make a claim that Levy
may
have reneged on a previous agreement, which seems plausible on the face of it, you are not accounting for the fact that he gave a very lengthy and detailed interview
before
Chelsea had made any offer for him or even contacted Spurs. How do you account for that? That was insulting and embarrassing for the club, and came within a very short time (after the season closed) of him stating repeatedly that he was happy where he was, had just signed a six year contract and believed he could fulfill his footballing ambitions with Spurs. At no point did he intimate that he was unhappy at the club, or with the failure to obtain CL football; nor did her, at any stage, mention a gentleman's agreement, or suggest that one was in place. This leads to a logical conclusion that the
gentleman's agreemnet
was something taht either didn't exist, or only began to crystallise in his mind in the form that he (or his advisors) later presented it,
after
Daniel Levy had told Cheslea where to go.

Secondly, and I have stated this once, already, what
exactly
would have been in it for Daniel Levy to give Modric greatly increased wages knowing that he was pretty much looking to get away. Surely that emolument accompanying a new six year contract was intended for the very opposite purpose - to guarantee some loyalty. You suggest that Modric may have inserted a clause (written or verbal) insisting that he should be allowed to leave if we failed to attain 4th spot - which, on the face of it, is a reasonable argument. But, if that were the case, surely it would have made more sense for master-negotiator, Daniel Levy, to wait until the Summer and the attaining of the CL spot, before allowing the increased wages...wouldn't it? Modric did have 4 years of his existing agreement left to run, anyway - why give him extra wages for a portion of a season on the understanding that he would be off if we didn't reach a certain level? It really doesn't make any sense.

Thirdly, if you are referring to the second Summer of discontent, then we would have had a better chance of attaining CL football if he hadn't gone on strike at the start of the seaosn, or looked less than 100% interested at the end of it. In any case, we did finish 4th and were massively unlucky to be excluded from the CL, so Levy would have had every right to argue, on semantic grounds, that we had qualified for the CL
only to have it snatched away from us
.

Fourthly, Levy never refused to sell him last Summer...he just refused to allow Real Madrid to dictate how little they wanted to pay for the player - and for the player to then act up is, really, him helping his prospective future employers to underpay for an asset to the detriment of his current emplyers - now, I don't know about you (and your
seeming
sensse of an elevated moral compass) but that, to me, smacks of positively immoral behaviour.

And the above argument has zero to do with having an understanding of the player's ambitions or desire to maximise his career - as you will see from my first post on the subject  :up:
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« Reply #42 on: January 06, 2013, 06:30:59 PM »
I had a thought. I wonder if Spurs might come back in for Modric? It wouldn't surprise me. He is not happy where he is and a return to Spurs might be up his street.

(if anybody else has suggested this and wrote it down somewhere else then I am sorry).
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Re: Doesnt This Just Break Your Heart
« Reply #43 on: January 06, 2013, 06:39:36 PM »
As far as I am concerned he is as welcome in our shirt as Berbatoss would be never ever again please!

In addition second visits by players rarely work out!

Let him rot on the subs bench at Real and get paid his dream wages for doing so!
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Re: Doesnt This Just Break Your Heart
« Reply #44 on: January 06, 2013, 06:42:24 PM »
If I was Modric Id be qutie happy, getting paid ££££££ a week for just sitting there.  :up:


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