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Re: Time to put your money where your mouth is...
« Reply #15 on: December 23, 2012, 09:09:26 PM »


Quote from: dimexi link=topic=3062.msg76075#msg76075

I said IF and this was only an attempt to get something solid from you. I agree that we will not end up in 10th but was looking for some clarity.
I am glad you agree with me.

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So hypothetically, at what point regardless of if you do not think we would be there, at what point would you be  critical of AVB?

That is a hard question without being glib. A lot of factors would have to go into the equation. For instance we could be fighting relegation but he might have had an injury crisis. On those grounds I might give him another season. We also could play brilliantly but luck didn’t go our way.

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Would you think that AVB was doing well, if we ended the season 9th? 8th? 7th? 6th? 5th? Put you neck on the line. Even if it is for the final league position, as you are keen to wait till then.
It is not what I am waiting for but giving him a fair crack at the whip. We’ve had players come in, players going. It takes a time to mould a team together. Even he told Levy and (Chelsea) you are not going to achieve that overnight. Any decent manager will tell you it takes time for a manager to settle in; Ask Alex Ferguson about it.

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Name your positions for success, more time given and rejection of AVB.

 I think we can finish 4th or above. I can’t see us making the top 2 but I can see us third. As for the other I have already answered that above.

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Mine would be:

4th and above success. Full support given for next year.
5th - more time
(6th - more time if points tally the same as 5th or an unusual event poor ref decision in final minute of last game etc.)
6th and lower a very bad year, proving that Harry should not have been sacked or that AVB was the wrong choice to replace him. Both AVB and Levy should stand down.

Again I have answered that above.
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Re: Time to put your money where your mouth is...
« Reply #16 on: December 23, 2012, 11:10:19 PM »


Quote from: dimexi link=topic=3062.msg76075#msg76075

I said IF and this was only an attempt to get something solid from you. I agree that we will not end up in 10th but was looking for some clarity.
I am glad you agree with me.

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So hypothetically, at what point regardless of if you do not think we would be there, at what point would you be  critical of AVB?

That is a hard question without being glib. A lot of factors would have to go into the equation. For instance we could be fighting relegation but he might have had an injury crisis. On those grounds I might give him another season. We also could play brilliantly but luck didn’t go our way.

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Would you think that AVB was doing well, if we ended the season 9th? 8th? 7th? 6th? 5th? Put you neck on the line. Even if it is for the final league position, as you are keen to wait till then.
It is not what I am waiting for but giving him a fair crack at the whip. We’ve had players come in, players going. It takes a time to mould a team together. Even he told Levy and (Chelsea) you are not going to achieve that overnight. Any decent manager will tell you it takes time for a manager to settle in; Ask Alex Ferguson about it.

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Name your positions for success, more time given and rejection of AVB.

 I think we can finish 4th or above. I can’t see us making the top 2 but I can see us third. As for the other I have already answered that above.

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Mine would be:

4th and above success. Full support given for next year.
5th - more time
(6th - more time if points tally the same as 5th or an unusual event poor ref decision in final minute of last game etc.)
6th and lower a very bad year, proving that Harry should not have been sacked or that AVB was the wrong choice to replace him. Both AVB and Levy should stand down.

Again I have answered that above.

Well you haven't actually answered that. You have skirted the issue a little. Yes you said where you think we will end up. And loosely said that if we were fighting relegation you would consider it if there were not extenuating circumstances.

So let us say that there are no major injury loses of more than the expected one or two players. And that every time we played brilliantly we won those specific games. So luck does not become a massive factor. Would 9th, 8th 7th or 6th be considered as worthy of your support? I do not mind if you say that if we were relegated you would want AVB gone, but if we finished 17th you would continue to back him. That is your right, but think you should be willing to declare the exact point of your loyalty. Quantify you opinion with something concrete.

Anyone else willing to commit themselves also? Or are you a little afraid?  ;)
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Re: Time to put your money where your mouth is...
« Reply #17 on: December 23, 2012, 11:48:30 PM »
Ok Dimexi I will quantify my position exactly for you, I realise that AVB will not be removed no matter how much I hope for it to happen and will in all probability be our manager come the end of the season. Unless we now lose the next 10 or 12 games in a row and crash out of Europe and the FA Cup, and contrary to popular belief that is one thing that I really really don't want to happen because above all I am a Spurs fan and love my club
 
So......
 
Equal or better than last years finishing positon and points 4th place , 69 points and +25 goal difference anything less than this is a failure end of. Just to make it clear if we finish 5th it will need to be with more than 69 points and a +25 goal difference then I will consider AVB unlucky and give him a chance next season.
 
And just as an after thought maybe we could play some high tempo decent passing and exciting football too !!!!
 
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Re: Time to put your money where your mouth is...
« Reply #18 on: December 23, 2012, 11:58:11 PM »

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As stated before, I am a logical thinker, and rarely let my emotions or gut feelings interfere with a decision. In general I agree with what you have said. To the positive, we are in a better position than I would have expected considering our injuries and the loss of Modric and VDV. The replacements to these two players are clearly less talented. To the negative, we have 4 points less than this time last year and are few positions lower. The football is boring to watch, and the atmosphere helps confirm this.

In short, I am far from convinced that AVB is the right person, and if given the chance I would replace him tomorrow with Arry, but that isn't going to happen. I think all we can do is keep our fingers crossed and hope AVB is learning from his mistakes. Further more, I would like to think the club will at long last actually use the transfer window to strengthen the squad, rather than to make money, but I'm not holding my breath.
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Probably the least negative post from you to date.

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Re: Time to put your money where your mouth is...
« Reply #19 on: December 24, 2012, 02:05:53 AM »
Ok Dimexi I will quantify my position exactly for you, I realise that AVB will not be removed no matter how much I hope for it to happen and will in all probability be our manager come the end of the season. Unless we now lose the next 10 or 12 games in a row and crash out of Europe and the FA Cup, and contrary to popular belief that is one thing that I really really don't want to happen because above all I am a Spurs fan and love my club
 
So......
 
Equal or better than last years finishing positon and points 4th place , 69 points and +25 goal difference anything less than this is a failure end of. Just to make it clear if we finish 5th it will need to be with more than 69 points and a +25 goal difference then I will consider AVB unlucky and give him a chance next season.
 
And just as an after thought maybe we could play some high tempo decent passing and exciting football too !!!!
 
 :nods:

Thank you Ugs, that will do nicely.  :)

(I think the points total may be achievable, but the +25 goals I think not. Even if we managed to push to 3rd I can not see it being from scoring that many. So the high tempo decent passing and exciting football we crave is not on the cards this year  :( )
Maybe next year...

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Re: Time to put your money where your mouth is...
« Reply #20 on: December 24, 2012, 11:33:04 AM »
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Well you haven't actually answered that. You have skirted the issue a little. Yes you said where you think we will end up. And loosely said that if we were fighting relegation you would consider it if there were not extenuating circumstances.
I looked at your age and you are only 36 so I can understand why you like such games. But a more mature observe realises that it is not as simple as predicting positions in league tables. I can see somebody being in the top three and still wanting him to go (Harry being a good example). Berkinshaw took Spurs down but he was right not to be dismissed; as the later results and trophies prove that case. I have said what I said and I am sticking to that. I understand you want to play games and it is your right to play them. Maybe when you are a bit older and wiser you might look at things differently. So I apologise for not giving you more than you wanted (for the reasons I have said) but I have noticed that others wish to play your game so there is plenty to keep you happy.

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So let us say that there are no major injury loses of more than the expected one or two players. And that every time we played brilliantly we won those specific games. So luck does not become a massive factor. Would 9th, 8th 7th or 6th be considered as worthy of your support? I do not mind if you say that if we were relegated you would want AVB gone, but if we finished 17th you would continue to back him. That is your right, but think you should be willing to declare the exact point of your loyalty. Quantify you opinion with something concrete.
If we were playing brilliantly then we wouldn’t be 9th or under (that is an oxymoron).

As for a point of loyalty; I think I have said that quite a few times (that is my position). Wasn’t it you who accused me of not reading what you wrote? Is this payback time; if he doesn’t read what I wrote then I won’t read what he wrote and I’ll keep asking the same pointless questions until one of us f**king dies of boredom (I say that with a smile and good humour)?

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Anyone else willing to commit themselves also? Or are you a little afraid?  ;)

I think people would be afraid if they allowed you to badger/ intimidate them into replying until you got the answer you wanted rather than what the writer wishes to give. Your problem is you want the answer you want and if it is not to your liking you throw a tantrum. But I understand where you are coming from; considering your age. We have all travelled on the path of immaturity before so I wish no offence and I hope you take what I said in good spirit. I could re quote what I had paraphrased to you before but I can’t be bothered to go and find it. But I am sure your mind will go back to what I had said.

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Re: Time to put your money where your mouth is...
« Reply #21 on: December 24, 2012, 02:03:40 PM »

I looked at your age and you are only 36 so I can understand why you like such games. But a more mature observe realises that it is not as simple as predicting positions in league tables. I can see somebody being in the top three and still wanting him to go (Harry being a good example). Berkinshaw took Spurs down but he was right not to be dismissed; as the later results and trophies prove that case. I have said what I said and I am sticking to that. I understand you want to play games and it is your right to play them. Maybe when you are a bit older and wiser you might look at things differently. So I apologise for not giving you more than you wanted (for the reasons I have said) but I have noticed that others wish to play your game so there is plenty to keep you happy.


Voice whatever credibility you had, has just been lost in one fell swoop. Well done!

I find you response rather amusing to tell the truth. First using age as some kind of marker for wisdom highlights your misunderstanding of what wisdom is. Of course when you have a wise person that has also had many years to build upon that wisdom, then yes they have invaluable guidance to give. In reality however, the majority of people show a lack of wisdom, whether they are 10 or 100. Being old does not guarantee you will have it. What a very unwise thing to presume! I have had to deal with the accusation, that when I get older, I may understand. What rubbish, I am a free thinker who is always willing to learn and relearn as I move through my life's journey. I may only be 36 but in the time I have spent on this earth I have learned many great and interesting things, I look at things from varying perspectives and try to empathise with others view points. But still this is very little in the grand scheme of things. How unfortunate that you think that because you are old, that you know so much.  Maybe, when you are able to possess humility, compassion and truth you will understand the futility of making statements like that. I am not here to change anyone's minds. I believe that wisdom can only be gained through a desire to look into oneself, and to have a desire to change.


If we were playing brilliantly then we wouldn’t be 9th or under (that is an oxymoron).


Nice try but not quite right. If I said we played every game brilliantly and were then 9th then yes I could see your point. But I did not. You said ‘We also could play brilliantly but luck didn’t go our way.’ So I tried to remove that variable from the discussion, as it is all IFS and BUTS, so we have to look at the least complex version of events. These are not immovable and if the end of the season came and these extreme factors influenced the overall outcome, then we could use that information to change how we felt about the situation at the time. Not that hard to grasp really.


As for a point of loyalty; I think I have said that quite a few times (that is my position). Wasn’t it you who accused me of not reading what you wrote? Is this payback time; if he doesn’t read what I wrote then I won’t read what he wrote and I’ll keep asking the same pointless questions until one of us f**king dies of boredom (I say that with a smile and good humour)?


I have read what you have put, but was interested in the finer details, which I felt you were skirting. You have every right to say, I am not willing to declare my position based on where we finish in the league, but you have not. You often end up repeating the same mantras which I now understand to be full of wisdom.


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Anyone else willing to commit themselves also? Or are you a little afraid?  ;)


I think people would be afraid if they allowed you to badger/ intimidate them into replying until you got the answer you wanted rather than what the writer wishes to give. Your problem is you want the answer you want and if it is not to your liking you throw a tantrum. But I understand where you are coming from; considering your age. We have all travelled on the path of immaturity before so I wish no offence and I hope you take what I said in good spirit. I could re quote what I had paraphrased to you before but I can’t be bothered to go and find it. But I am sure your mind will go back to what I had said.


This is called tongue in cheek. A bit of banter. There is 0% intimidation involved. You may try to continuously repeat yourself hoping that others will be convinced in your wise old words. But I have no desire to make people think what they do not. I like hearing alternative points of view, which I may disagree with. I also like the challenge of dialectic reasoning. If I can provide challenge as well as receive challenge then I feel that more can be gained from both parties in integrating new ideas into our old views, creating a new paradigm.

Thank you for telling me what my problem is, however I disagree. There are no tantrums happening on my part, how about yours? I find it interesting that you believe you have the ability to know what I think and how I act. Is that something that comes with age? If so, I think you are misguided. Your comments again about age bring this very clearly to light. When you are talking about travelling the path of immaturity, I feel that you are projecting your life experiences and concerns onto me.

So no offence is taken. I wish you well on your journey down that path. I will always be available for you to try and use your age as a way to have power and control over an issue, idea or me as a person. Just remember that your perceived power is in your own mind and that in reality it does not surpass my own. We are both equals, whether you like it or not.
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Re: Time to put your money where your mouth is...
« Reply #22 on: December 24, 2012, 03:18:35 PM »
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Voice whatever credibility you had, has just been lost in one fell swoop. Well done!
That is ok, you lost any credibility in my eyes when you wrote your patronising and sarcastic post to me the other day.

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I find you response rather amusing to tell the truth. First using age as some kind of marker for wisdom highlights your misunderstanding of what wisdom is. Of course when you have a wise person that has also had many years to build upon that wisdom, then yes they have invaluable guidance to give. In reality however, the majority of people show a lack of wisdom, whether they are 10 or 100. Being old does not guarantee you will have it. What a very unwise thing to presume! I have had to deal with the accusation, that when I get older, I may understand. What rubbish, I am a free thinker who is always willing to learn and relearn as I move through my life's journey. I may only be 36 but in the time I have spent on this earth I have learned many great and interesting things, I look at things from varying perspectives and try to empathise with others view points. But still this is very little in the grand scheme of things. How unfortunate that you think that because you are old, that you know so much.  Maybe, when you are able to possess humility, compassion and truth you will understand the futility of making statements like that. I am not here to change anyone's minds. I believe that wisdom can only be gained through a desire to look into oneself, and to have a desire to change.
If you were that wise you would have reduced what you wrote to something concise and intelligent; not a diatribe.

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Nice try but not quite right. If I said we played every game brilliantly and were then 9th then yes I could see your point. But I did not. You said ‘We also could play brilliantly but luck didn’t go our way.’ So I tried to remove that variable from the discussion, as it is all IFS and BUTS, so we have to look at the least complex version of events. These are not immovable and if the end of the season came and these extreme factors influenced the overall outcome, then we could use that information to change how we felt about the situation at the time. Not that hard to grasp really.
This is all semantics. It is about the conditions at the time that is why I didn’t reply in the way you wanted. If I just replied that way you would have used it against me and there would be no way I could redeem myself. So I wasn’t prepared to add more. What I said would suffice though.

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I have read what you have put, but was interested in the finer details, which I felt you were skirting. You have every right to say, I am not willing to declare my position based on where we finish in the league, but you have not. You often end up repeating the same mantras which I now understand to be full of wisdom.
What I said was plain enough, what you are trying to do is be clever here. The trouble with being clever as you are trying to do is you’ll end up disappearing up your own backside. Have you ever heard of Occam’s razor? The simplest explanation is usually the better one. The finer details, as you say, would have put me up the cul-de-sac without no way back. Don’t try to be too clever.

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This is called tongue in cheek. A bit of banter. There is 0% intimidation involved. You may try to continuously repeat yourself hoping that others will be convinced in your wise old words. But I have no desire to make people think what they do not. I like hearing alternative points of view, which I may disagree with. I also like the challenge of dialectic reasoning. If I can provide challenge as well as receive challenge then I feel that more can be gained from both parties in integrating new ideas into our old views, creating a new paradigm.
This is what I mean about you trying to be clever. I bet you don’t even have a clue what you are talking about here but probably lifted it of the internet. All you have done here is waffled without saying anything constructive. A more wiser and intelligent person could have said what you said in a few words; instead you are trying to impress.

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Thank you for telling me what my problem is, however I disagree. There are no tantrums happening on my part, how about yours? I find it interesting that you believe you have the ability to know what I think and how I act. Is that something that comes with age? If so, I think you are misguided. Your comments again about age bring this very clearly to light. When you are talking about travelling the path of immaturity, I feel that you are projecting your life experiences and concerns onto me.
I can only reply as I see and you give the impression as I said. How you intended is a different matter. I presume you live in your own imagination and believe others – who you are writing to – are with you.

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So no offence is taken. I wish you well on your journey down that path. I will always be available for you to try and use your age as a way to have power and control over an issue, idea or me as a person. Just remember that your perceived power is in your own mind and that in reality it does not surpass my own. We are both equals, whether you like it or not.

No offence taken. Just an interesting journey. Oh, I agree that we are all equals… but amongst equals there are some more equal than others.

I suppose the good news out of all this is that you could practice your semantics and impressionability and at the same time impress the observer. I am glad to be the sounding board for your show piece.

I wish you the best and thank you for the entertaining ride.
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Re: Time to put your money where your mouth is...
« Reply #23 on: December 24, 2012, 07:51:26 PM »
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Voice whatever credibility you had, has just been lost in one fell swoop. Well done!
That is ok, you lost any credibility in my eyes when you wrote your patronising and sarcastic post to me the other day.

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I find you response rather amusing to tell the truth. First using age as some kind of marker for wisdom highlights your misunderstanding of what wisdom is. Of course when you have a wise person that has also had many years to build upon that wisdom, then yes they have invaluable guidance to give. In reality however, the majority of people show a lack of wisdom, whether they are 10 or 100. Being old does not guarantee you will have it. What a very unwise thing to presume! I have had to deal with the accusation, that when I get older, I may understand. What rubbish, I am a free thinker who is always willing to learn and relearn as I move through my life's journey. I may only be 36 but in the time I have spent on this earth I have learned many great and interesting things, I look at things from varying perspectives and try to empathise with others view points. But still this is very little in the grand scheme of things. How unfortunate that you think that because you are old, that you know so much.  Maybe, when you are able to possess humility, compassion and truth you will understand the futility of making statements like that. I am not here to change anyone's minds. I believe that wisdom can only be gained through a desire to look into oneself, and to have a desire to change.
If you were that wise you would have reduced what you wrote to something concise and intelligent; not a diatribe.

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Nice try but not quite right. If I said we played every game brilliantly and were then 9th then yes I could see your point. But I did not. You said ‘We also could play brilliantly but luck didn’t go our way.’ So I tried to remove that variable from the discussion, as it is all IFS and BUTS, so we have to look at the least complex version of events. These are not immovable and if the end of the season came and these extreme factors influenced the overall outcome, then we could use that information to change how we felt about the situation at the time. Not that hard to grasp really.
This is all semantics. It is about the conditions at the time that is why I didn’t reply in the way you wanted. If I just replied that way you would have used it against me and there would be no way I could redeem myself. So I wasn’t prepared to add more. What I said would suffice though.

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I have read what you have put, but was interested in the finer details, which I felt you were skirting. You have every right to say, I am not willing to declare my position based on where we finish in the league, but you have not. You often end up repeating the same mantras which I now understand to be full of wisdom.
What I said was plain enough, what you are trying to do is be clever here. The trouble with being clever as you are trying to do is you’ll end up disappearing up your own backside. Have you ever heard of Occam’s razor? The simplest explanation is usually the better one. The finer details, as you say, would have put me up the cul-de-sac without no way back. Don’t try to be too clever.

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This is called tongue in cheek. A bit of banter. There is 0% intimidation involved. You may try to continuously repeat yourself hoping that others will be convinced in your wise old words. But I have no desire to make people think what they do not. I like hearing alternative points of view, which I may disagree with. I also like the challenge of dialectic reasoning. If I can provide challenge as well as receive challenge then I feel that more can be gained from both parties in integrating new ideas into our old views, creating a new paradigm.
This is what I mean about you trying to be clever. I bet you don’t even have a clue what you are talking about here but probably lifted it of the internet. All you have done here is waffled without saying anything constructive. A more wiser and intelligent person could have said what you said in a few words; instead you are trying to impress.

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Thank you for telling me what my problem is, however I disagree. There are no tantrums happening on my part, how about yours? I find it interesting that you believe you have the ability to know what I think and how I act. Is that something that comes with age? If so, I think you are misguided. Your comments again about age bring this very clearly to light. When you are talking about travelling the path of immaturity, I feel that you are projecting your life experiences and concerns onto me.
I can only reply as I see and you give the impression as I said. How you intended is a different matter. I presume you live in your own imagination and believe others – who you are writing to – are with you.

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So no offence is taken. I wish you well on your journey down that path. I will always be available for you to try and use your age as a way to have power and control over an issue, idea or me as a person. Just remember that your perceived power is in your own mind and that in reality it does not surpass my own. We are both equals, whether you like it or not.

No offence taken. Just an interesting journey. Oh, I agree that we are all equals… but amongst equals there are some more equal than others.

I suppose the good news out of all this is that you could practice your semantics and impressionability and at the same time impress the observer. I am glad to be the sounding board for your show piece.

I wish you the best and thank you for the entertaining ride.

So first you choose to patronise me, by commenting on my age and deeming yourself to be of greater intelligence and wisdom. You then say that I copied something from somewhere on the internet (hinting that I could not be capable of explaining my own thoughts) but then say that is does not make any sense. (interesting). Yes, I have heard of Occam's razor, and it is a useful tool in the right situation. However, the simplest explanation does not mean that it needs to be simple. Every person will have their way of expressing themselves. Are you to be the one who determines how we do that?

Actually I do have a clue what I am talking about, but I apologise if the way I have expressed my views is not as clear as it could have been.  Although, I think it is sad that when someone dares to challenge your views that you feel the need to get personal. I guess I have myself to blame for biting. Your comments were thoughtless and come across like you think you are better than others. As highlighted by the age and wisdom comments followed by the reference to you being one of the pigs in Animal Farm. But that does not mean that I should have reacted in a like for like manner.

Finally I apologise if the post I wrote the other day was taken as being patronising. I am not sure which one you mean, but can assure you that was not the intention. When you first came onto the site, I thought that you had some strong views, but that you were at least willing to break apart someone's argument and counter their points. Some have found you disagreeable and said so. But I thought that when a good topic came up, we would have an interesting and respectful dialogue. It seems that has not happened and any part I have played in reducing the quality of the discussion, may I ask for your understanding and forgiveness.

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Merry Christmas.
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Re: Time to put your money where your mouth is...
« Reply #24 on: December 24, 2012, 08:18:47 PM »
First of all; thank you. You must be my Christmas present. :up:
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So first you choose to patronise me, by commenting on my age and deeming yourself to be of greater intelligence and wisdom. You then say that I copied something from somewhere on the internet (hinting that I could not be capable of explaining my own thoughts) but then say that is does not make any sense. (interesting). Yes, I have heard of Occam's razor, and it is a useful tool in the right situation. However, the simplest explanation does not mean that it needs to be simple. Every person will have their way of expressing themselves. Are you to be the one who determines how we do that?

That is ok, I accept your apology.  ;)

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Actually I do have a clue what I am talking about, but I apologise if the way I have expressed my views is not as clear as it could have been.  Although, I think it is sad that when someone dares to challenge your views that you feel the need to get personal. I guess I have myself to blame for biting. Your comments were thoughtless and come across like you think you are better than others. As highlighted by the age and wisdom comments followed by the reference to you being one of the pigs in Animal Farm. But that does not mean that I should have reacted in a like for like manner.
That made me laugh. You talking about getting personal. You should read your post to me; Pot, kettle and black come to mind. But don’t worry I forgive you. After all it is Christmas.

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Finally I apologise if the post I wrote the other day was taken as being patronising.
It was.

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I am not sure which one you mean, but can assure you that was not the intention.
You don’t remember which one because you wrote so many you got confused. But it is understandable. But I am in a forgiving mood. After all it is Christmas. And you are welcome.

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When you first came onto the site, I thought that you had some strong views, but that you were at least willing to break apart someone's argument and counter their points. Some have found you disagreeable and said so. But I thought that when a good topic came up, we would have an interesting and respectful dialogue. It seems that has not happened and any part I have played in reducing the quality of the discussion, may I ask for your understanding and forgiveness.
Of course, after all it was an interesting ride and I am sure we both learnt something… and it is Christmas…. And Jesus died on the cross for our sins. We must also mention Muhammed (not Ali…. But then again!); and this is coming from an atheist.

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It is Christmas Eve and I need a drink.

Merry Christmas.

I am off to the pub and I shall drink a silent toast to you and your family. Merry Christmas to you my friend, after all we both support the same team. So all is well that ends well.

PS I am sure we shall have some interesting debates in the future; seeing as we both know where each other is coming from and what planet we live on.

PPS I have a sense of humour and I never take anything personal. Life is for living and watching Spurs win. Anything else is a mad house wrapped up in a conundrum wrapped up in an enigma. That must tell you something my friend :) :up: :spurs: :birthday2: :yids: :2up:
I’ve lived a life that’s full. I’ve travelled each and every highway;
And more, much more than this,
I did it my way.

Regrets, I’ve had a few;
But then again, too few to mention.
I did what I had to do
And saw it through without exemption.