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Re: A conflict of interest.
« Reply #30 on: December 19, 2012, 10:32:11 AM »
I totally agree, investment is required in Janaury in positions we all know.  I think depending on what funds are made available will indicate how much Levy supports AVB.

What happened to AVB at Chelsea doenst bother me in the slightest as we arent Chelsea! look how they treated every manager that has been in the hot seat including both managers that have brought the most success in their history.

May we continue in teh top 4, win ugly, win sexy for me at this point i dont care, a win is a win!
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« Reply #31 on: December 19, 2012, 11:49:21 AM »
Paul Finch. Very good points.

Being critical of AVB is understandable as long as he has your support and you don't belong to the "AVB out and take Levy with you" brigade. 

We are doing Ok without playing well, if that makes sense. I, like all of us,  woul prefer to see us pay attractive football like we used to do, but at this point in the season, winning is the key for AVB and he would no doubt be sacked if we palyed well to the expense of losing games.

Should the board decide to buy well in Jan, I believe that with the addition of our injured key players, the entertaining football will come and we can remain in the top 4 for the rest of the season.

This all depends on how much Levy is prepared to spend and on Whom!!

Would any of you agree that, had AVB played at some professional level and had not been sacked by Chelsea you would feel more confident?

 :up:

Me personally, no. I can think of a string of great footballers who made lousy managers, and Mourinho was sacked. I do not think that it is a pre-requirement of being a successful manager. The ability to spot a talent, and be able to create a balanced team that work together is the vital ingredient. Time will tell whether AVB has those attributes, but time he must be given.

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Re: A conflict of interest.
« Reply #32 on: December 19, 2012, 04:49:44 PM »
Personally I think we are in a very good position considering the amount of changes since last season, so far it has gone about as good as it could have being realistic. (my we are struggling at the top end of the table was sarcasm)
I actually think we can go further. A couple of reasons for this; we are improving all the time; the team is knitting well together. At the same time there are no outstanding teams in the League. United and City aren’t that special. Chelsea and Ars*nal are having problems. While Liverpool, Newcastle are floating about mid table. Play our cards right and we can do better than we did the last couple of seasons.

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We still have the same old issues of conceding late goals and this issue has been around for years.
True; but is that because of injuries in the back four? We’ve got our injured – from the back four – coming back soon. I am sure that AVB is addressing the situation of goals being leaked in in the last 10 minutes.

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We have just been linked with Erikson of Ajax now he would be a great signing for us in midfield if we can pull it off
I wouldn’t listen to anything you read in the papers. I was reading today that Spurs won’t give any money to their manager because of Austerity. You then read another paper and we’ve got £60 million to spend. It is all speculation. The good thing that Spurs does is give out false reports so that confusions rains down and then sneaks in and buys a player on the cheap.

I am in agreement with most of these comments. Firstly, I think AVB is doing quite well, far better than he did at Chelsea. I believe he has the support and respect of the players, vital if he is to succeed. I also think, and hope, that he has the full backing of the chairman and board, in his project for the club, otherwise why sack Redknap and appoint him ?
Jan Verthonghen has come out and sung the praises of Christian Eriksen, which surely must signal something is happening on on this front. I personally believe AVB knows exactly what our shortcomings are, and how to go about fixing them.
I am starting to feel more confident with the way things are going, the next month will either bear that optimism out, or squash it once again.

Good points. :up:
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Re: A conflict of interest.
« Reply #33 on: December 19, 2012, 05:00:57 PM »
  I have probably been one of the most critical of AVB, I am still not convinced, and as I have previously said he will probably never completely win me over, but I have started to see an improvement in our style of play, slowly but surely we are starting to play with a little flair, against Swansea we did, and I will say again, and please don't accuse me of living in the past, I want too see us play attractive and entertaining football, I have been brought up on that from Spurs. No we haven't been that successful of late(winning things), but, I want us not only to win things, but play entertaining football while doing it. The one thing that Man U can never be accused of, is being a boring side, and that really galls me to say. I do not expect all of you to agree with me, but surely the majority of you don't want us to become boring and successful, do you? or is it win at any cost?
    I have said it before and I will say it again, our immediate and long term success lies in the hands of Mr Levy and how much money he makes available to AVB in January and the future.
  We shall indeed see will we not.


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I agree with you that all Spurs fans want to see us winning and playing attractive football. But our first priority should be aiming for high spots and trophies. If we can achieve that with attractive football then, brilliant. What we don’t want are people just to point at us and say “attractive football” and mid-table positions or fighting relegation.

I would like to ask you, if you don’t mind; why don’t you think he will never completely win you over? Every fan wants, or should want, a manager to come in and blast our great manager (Bill Nick) into a distant memory; i.e. to achieve greatness for our club. Spurs live too much in the past. The Unites, Ars*nals and Chelsea’s (and now City) don’t talk about their first great managers and trophies of donkey years ago, they talk about the future and recent glories. In the case of City last year, Ars*nal a few years ago and United…. Well, you know the answer to that one. Even Liverpool wasn’t that long ago.
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Re: A conflict of interest.
« Reply #34 on: December 19, 2012, 05:03:51 PM »
Paul Finch. Very good points.

Being critical of AVB is understandable as long as he has your support and you don't belong to the "AVB out and take Levy with you" brigade. 

We are doing Ok without playing well, if that makes sense. I, like all of us,  woul prefer to see us pay attractive football like we used to do, but at this point in the season, winning is the key for AVB and he would no doubt be sacked if we palyed well to the expense of losing games.

Should the board decide to buy well in Jan, I believe that with the addition of our injured key players, the entertaining football will come and we can remain in the top 4 for the rest of the season.

This all depends on how much Levy is prepared to spend and on Whom!!

Would any of you agree that, had AVB played at some professional level and had not been sacked by Chelsea you would feel more confident?

 :up:

I agree that Levy has a great input, but what is more important is this seasons end result (position). Levy could spend millions and we are mid table, or he could spend nothing and we are in the top three. I’ll be happy with the last scenario.
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Re: A conflict of interest.
« Reply #35 on: December 19, 2012, 05:42:20 PM »
Is there a correlation between the way you would like the team to play, with the final league position?

For example:

If we won the league, how many would not give a horse's Ars*nal how we won it? (at least in year 1)

However, I would rather we played attractive football and ended up fourth than played boring football and scraped 3rd. But the further out from this position the less clear it becomes.

Does success then cloud our judgement? Are we too susceptible to the dreams of glory, willing to forego our love of the sport in order to be able to win?

I believe we all are...and rightly so as well. Otherwise, what would be the point of sport. Without competition, you lose the edge and everything becomes too wishywashy. Anyone who panders to the ' it's the taking part that counts' has no place making comments about competitive sporting activities, they have clearly missed the point.

For others though they go too far the other way, where winning is the only thing that matters and at all costs. I would imagine that when this tips too far, the fans become willing to cause violence on others and for the sportsmen themselves, they decide to enhance their chances with a little 'help'.

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Re: A conflict of interest.
« Reply #36 on: December 19, 2012, 06:45:10 PM »
Is there a correlation between the way you would like the team to play, with the final league position?

For example:

If we won the league, how many would not give a horse's Ars*nal how we won it? (at least in year 1)
I would rather we won the league over how we play any time. Granted we all would like Spurs to play brilliant football. But not at the expense of losing out on trophies and a European position. We’ve waited too long. Good football is synonymous with Spurs, but nothing to show for it. While Chelsea, City, Ars*nal and United go marching on and filling their trophy cabinet.

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However, I would rather we played attractive football and ended up fourth than played boring football and scraped 3rd. But the further out from this position the less clear it becomes.
I agree that there is a thin line between boring football and good football and 4th; but in reality it doesn’t work that way. If we can get into the top 4 we can go higher. This must supersede good football (but if we can have both than that would be great).

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Does success then cloud our judgement? Are we too susceptible to the dreams of glory, willing to forego our love of the sport in order to be able to win?
Isn’t that what sport/ football is all about? Winning. Nobody remembers the runners up/ losers. No, it doesn’t cloud our judgement, what does is our past history; which has stopped us progressing forward. We talk too much about past glories and not think about future glories.

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I believe we all are...and rightly so as well. Otherwise, what would be the point of sport. Without competition, you lose the edge and everything becomes too wishywashy. Anyone who panders to the ' it's the taking part that counts' has no place making comments about competitive sporting activities, they have clearly missed the point.
You miss the point if you have your head stuck too much into the past and nothing to show for the present; that is what has held us back. I would rather we were called boring Spurs and winning trophies than stylish Spurs and continuously getting mid-table places or below.

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For others though they go too far the other way, where winning is the only thing that matters and at all costs. I would imagine that when this tips too far, the fans become willing to cause violence on others and for the sportsmen themselves, they decide to enhance their chances with a little 'help'.

I disagree. Violence is perpetuated by the primitive and ignorant, not positions or how we play. Look at Millwall and other such teams. Their failures didn’t stop their hooliganism. We can also name successful teams where there was no violence. I also must say that saying what you said is giving the violent ones an excuse for their behaviour; and justifying it. There should never be an excuse for violence and shouldn’t be  in the equation of football or any sport.
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Re: A conflict of interest.
« Reply #37 on: December 19, 2012, 08:07:58 PM »
Is there a correlation between the way you would like the team to play, with the final league position?

For example:

If we won the league, how many would not give a horse's Ars*nal how we won it? (at least in year 1)
I would rather we won the league over how we play any time. Granted we all would like Spurs to play brilliant football. But not at the expense of losing out on trophies and a European position. We’ve waited too long. Good football is synonymous with Spurs, but nothing to show for it. While Chelsea, City, Ars*nal and United go marching on and filling their trophy cabinet.

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However, I would rather we played attractive football and ended up fourth than played boring football and scraped 3rd. But the further out from this position the less clear it becomes.
I agree that there is a thin line between boring football and good football and 4th; but in reality it doesn’t work that way. If we can get into the top 4 we can go higher. This must supersede good football (but if we can have both than that would be great).

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Does success then cloud our judgement? Are we too susceptible to the dreams of glory, willing to forego our love of the sport in order to be able to win?
Isn’t that what sport/ football is all about? Winning. Nobody remembers the runners up/ losers. No, it doesn’t cloud our judgement, what does is our past history; which has stopped us progressing forward. We talk too much about past glories and not think about future glories.

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I believe we all are...and rightly so as well. Otherwise, what would be the point of sport. Without competition, you lose the edge and everything becomes too wishywashy. Anyone who panders to the ' it's the taking part that counts' has no place making comments about competitive sporting activities, they have clearly missed the point.
You miss the point if you have your head stuck too much into the past and nothing to show for the present; that is what has held us back. I would rather we were called boring Spurs and winning trophies than stylish Spurs and continuously getting mid-table places or below.

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For others though they go too far the other way, where winning is the only thing that matters and at all costs. I would imagine that when this tips too far, the fans become willing to cause violence on others and for the sportsmen themselves, they decide to enhance their chances with a little 'help'.

I disagree. Violence is perpetuated by the primitive and ignorant, not positions or how we play. Look at Millwall and other such teams. Their failures didn’t stop their hooliganism. We can also name successful teams where there was no violence. I also must say that saying what you said is giving the violent ones an excuse for their behaviour; and justifying it. There should never be an excuse for violence and shouldn’t be  in the equation of football or any sport.

What an earth do you call that? Really voice, what have you gone and done? I am actually sat here, having to read your comments twice, just to make sure that I am not making it up. I will respond to what you have said, once I have had a nice cup of tea and then I will have some fun.  :)
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« Reply #38 on: December 19, 2012, 08:17:45 PM »
On second thoughts Voice, maybe you should read my post again. As I think you have completely misunderstood, most of what I have said. Then come back to me and if you stand by what you have said, then I will respond more fully.
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Re: A conflict of interest.
« Reply #39 on: December 19, 2012, 08:37:04 PM »
On second thoughts Voice, maybe you should read my post again. As I think you have completely misunderstood, most of what I have said. Then come back to me and if you stand by what you have said, then I will respond more fully.

Well, reading is about interpretation. I read your words one way and responded to it. However, a continuous debate on the subject will clarify any misunderstanding. After all, we are here to debate, observe and learn from each other. If I have got it wrong then a continuous dialogue could be very fruitful. :D ;)
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« Reply #40 on: December 19, 2012, 10:57:31 PM »
Fair enough then, I will try not to be rude or condescending. If it comes across that way, I apologise in advance. My only aim is that my post is at least clearer for you, even if you still disagree with it.

First of all the whole thing is a commentary that should be taken as a whole, not necessarily broken up into individual parts. That can work with some arguments but by breaking it up the individual parts can be taken out of context more easily. I will return to this point later.

Is there a correlation between the way you would like the team to play, with the final league position?

For example:

If we won the league, how many would not give a horse's Ars*nal how we won it? (at least in year 1)

I would rather we won the league over how we play any time. Granted we all would like Spurs to play brilliant football. But not at the expense of losing out on trophies and a European position. We’ve waited too long. Good football is synonymous with Spurs, but nothing to show for it. While Chelsea, City, Ars*nal and United go marching on and filling their trophy cabinet.

Here you have just basically said in 67 words what I said in 22. But I guess there is nothing wrong agreeing in your own way.


However, I would rather we played attractive football and ended up fourth than played boring football and scraped 3rd. But the further out from this position the less clear it becomes.

I agree that there is a thin line between boring football and good football and 4th; but in reality it doesn’t work that way. If we can get into the top 4 we can go higher. This must supersede good football (but if we can have both than that would be great).
 

So for you, you would be willing to trade good football with a rise of one position in the league? Whereas, I would not between 3rd and 4th, but would between 2nd and 1st, obviously. In reality it does actually work that way. Except that it usually plays out that the team that plays the best football, also ends up in a higher position in the league. You will always be able to pick a few exceptions and the point about finishing 4th but playing good football is in reference to one of those exceptions.


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Does success then cloud our judgement? Are we too susceptible to the dreams of glory, willing to forego our love of the sport in order to be able to win?

Isn’t that what sport/ football is all about? Winning. Nobody remembers the runners up/ losers. No, it doesn’t cloud our judgement, what does is our past history; which has stopped us progressing forward. We talk too much about past glories and not think about future glories.

Ok this one really made me wonder if you are actually reading  what was said. You have tried to make an argument about what was said ‘Does success then cloud our judgement? Are we too susceptible to the dreams of glory, willing to forego our love of the sport in order to be able to win?’ but the very next thing I state, quite clearly is – ‘I believe we all are...and rightly so as well’

Which makes what you said seem irrelevant and I am afraid to say, like you are one of those people who are too busy wanting to say what is in their head, rather than actually listening to others. I.E. The reason for the first statement is to clarify the next point, the questions are rhetorical.


No, it doesn’t cloud our judgement, what does is our past history; which has stopped us progressing forward. We talk too much about past glories and not think about future glories.


And just to highlight how what you have said is complete nonsense let us look in more detail at this point here.

Now I said 'Does success then cloud our judgement?' (which I go on to say that it does, 'I believe we all are') However, you try to say that it does not. BUT YOU THEN SAY - 'it is our past history' 'talk too much about past glories' which is about success!!!!! You do not even agree with yourself!!! I would suggest that before entering the world of argumentative debate with anyone who is able to reasonably challenge your views that you are very clear in two specific areas.

1. Know the difference between fact and opinion. (not relevant here, but an area that is often misunderstood.

2. Ask yourself- Do you think, what you think you think? (title of a good book by the way)


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I believe we all are...and rightly so as well. Otherwise, what would be the point of sport. Without competition, you lose the edge and everything becomes too wishywashy. Anyone who panders to the ' it's the taking part that counts' has no place making comments about competitive sporting activities, they have clearly missed the point.

You miss the point if you have your head stuck too much into the past and nothing to show for the present; that is what has held us back. I would rather we were called boring Spurs and winning trophies than stylish Spurs and continuously getting mid-table places or below.

It is clearly you that have missed the point, and by a country mile! See above point for wanting to make statements about your own perspective and viewpoint, irrespective of what has actually been said to you.
Where, please tell me where I have made any mention of the past in the quote? This section is clearly about how having a winning mentality, is the crucial aspect of competitive sport. (With a dig at non-competitive people that feel they can comment on it) That is all, no more and no less.


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For others though they go too far the other way, where winning is the only thing that matters and at all costs. I would imagine that when this tips too far, the fans become willing to cause violence on others and for the sportsmen themselves, they decide to enhance their chances with a little 'help'.

I disagree. Violence is perpetuated by the primitive and ignorant, not positions or how we play. Look at Millwall and other such teams. Their failures didn’t stop their hooliganism. We can also name successful teams where there was no violence. I also must say that saying what you said is giving the violent ones an excuse for their behaviour; and justifying it. There should never be an excuse for violence and shouldn’t be  in the equation of football or any sport.

 

I can see why you have taken that view. My comment was very sweeping and not as clear as it could have been. However, I stand by it. I agree that there are many causes of violent behaviour. Mostly to do with: upbringing, society, culture, biology, ignorance and mental health.  However, in the confines of the football culture, the desire to win, as we have previously agreed, is crucial, but to varying degrees.
Football, is a competitive sport. It is about being better than your opponent. Add in the primitive aspects of tribal and territorial boundaries and you have a situation where conflict will occur. For most that conflict occurs on the pitch. Everyone wanting to be better than the other side. When violence occurs it is this same desire to be better and stronger than your opponent. To win, at all costs!

In no way, does it excuse it, or even allow others to hide behind it. I agree it is absolutely wrong and a sad reflection on our society that it occurs at all. But please, do not try to make a link between what I have said to providing an excuse or justifying it. It does not. In my opinion the only cause for violence is in self defence, which if everyone stuck to, there would not be any violence. We could get into a separate debate about human behaviour, society and culture, but I do not think this is the place.

So to finish up, my whole post was reflecting on the nature of winning verses the values of the quality of the sport. Making it clear, the desire to win will always edge it and thinking about the consequences if it goes too far.
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Re: A conflict of interest.
« Reply #41 on: December 19, 2012, 11:49:28 PM »




If we won the league, how many would not give a horse's Ars*nal how we won it? (at least in year 1)

However, I would rather we played attractive football and ended up fourth than played boring football and scraped 3rd. But the further out from this position the less clear it becomes.

Does success then cloud our judgement? Are we too susceptible to the dreams of glory, willing to forego our love of the sport in order to be able to win?


Again, very good points.

I used to coach 11 to 16 year olds. So I understand the value of the sport,  the joys of winning and the disappointments of losing.

Yes, judgments are clouded by success and we all dream of glory, particularly if we look back in the history of our beloved club that has been starved of any for too many years.

I don't want to go too deep into this debate but I will  state that I would not wish to win anything at any cost and for me, finishing in the top 4 would  be enough success for this season.  Let's hope that we at least manage to do that and play some good football at the same time.

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« Reply #42 on: December 20, 2012, 06:55:46 PM »
Fair enough then, I will try not to be rude or condescending. If it comes across that way, I apologise in advance. My only aim is that my post is at least clearer for you, even if you still disagree with it.

First of all the whole thing is a commentary that should be taken as a whole, not necessarily broken up into individual parts. That can work with some arguments but by breaking it up the individual parts can be taken out of context more easily. I will return to this point later.
What you have in your mind and want to express comes out differently when somebody else reads it. You must bear this in mind.

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Here you have just basically said in 67 words what I said in 22. But I guess there is nothing wrong agreeing in your own way.
Well, if it wasn’t my way then it would have been yours; and what is the point of that? You would be writing on your own if that is what you wanted.

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So for you, you would be willing to trade good football with a rise of one position in the league?
That is not what I said and that is not how it would work.

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Whereas, I would not between 3rd and 4th, but would between 2nd and 1st, obviously. In reality it does actually work that way. Except that it usually plays out that the team that plays the best football, also ends up in a higher position in the league. You will always be able to pick a few exceptions and the point about finishing 4th but playing good football is in reference to one of those exceptions.

Isn’t that what I said? Obviously in a different way.




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Ok this one really made me wonder if you are actually reading  what was said. You have tried to make an argument about what was said ‘Does success then cloud our judgement? Are we too susceptible to the dreams of glory, willing to forego our love of the sport in order to be able to win?’ but the very next thing I state, quite clearly is – ‘I believe we all are...and rightly so as well’
So we both agree on that then? Even though I replied in my own unique way.

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Which makes what you said seem irrelevant and I am afraid to say, like you are one of those people who are too busy wanting to say what is in their head, rather than actually listening to others. I.E. The reason for the first statement is to clarify the next point, the questions are rhetorical.
I must admit you might have a point here; I am dyslexic (I suffer from word blindness) so I usually break down what is said and reply that way. I accept your criticism, but saying that I could have read it differently and replied differently; but on a forum that we are on - to debate - we would have eventually we got it right.

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It is clearly you that have missed the point, and by a country mile! See above point for wanting to make statements about your own perspective and viewpoint, irrespective of what has actually been said to you.
I didn’t miss the point, but your second observation counters the first point and is probably correct.

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I can see why you have taken that view. My comment was very sweeping and not as clear as it could have been. However, I stand by it. I agree that there are many causes of violent behaviour. Mostly to do with: upbringing, society, culture, biology, ignorance and mental health.  However, in the confines of the football culture, the desire to win, as we have previously agreed, is crucial, but to varying degrees.
Football, is a competitive sport. It is about being better than your opponent. Add in the primitive aspects of tribal and territorial boundaries and you have a situation where conflict will occur. For most that conflict occurs on the pitch. Everyone wanting to be better than the other side. When violence occurs it is this same desire to be better and stronger than your opponent. To win, at all costs!
I do agree with your comments here (violence), however, I don’t agree with your end result. We can’t kowtow to the few. We must deal with it head on. A bit like the excuse the government is using to put up the prices of cheap alcohol. It is kowtowing to the culprits, rather than dealing with them. And of course the innocent suffers. 

Another point I would like to make. You said that your post should be taken as a whole and not paragraph by paragraph (or words to that affect). How are we, the reader, supposed to know this? We all read replies as we see them. What we can’t do is get into your mind and see what you intended. You also must remember that when one replies to a certain post we might add something because we see a possibility. If you see a reply as not as you visualised it then engage with the writer, not criticise or use sarcasm because of your frustration. I’ve often read replies to me and thought “did he mean that, did he actually read what I said?” so I engaged the replier and not attacked or tried to belittle him. It might do you good stead to dig deeper and work with your fellow forum member than trying to be clever.

I shall end by paraphrasing you: I was trying  not to be rude or condescending. If it comes across that way, I apologise in advance. My only aim is that my post is at least clearer for you, even if you still disagree with it.

Merry Christmas to you and everybody who reads this.
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I’ve lived a life that’s full. I’ve travelled each and every highway;
And more, much more than this,
I did it my way.

Regrets, I’ve had a few;
But then again, too few to mention.
I did what I had to do
And saw it through without exemption.

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Re: A conflict of interest.
« Reply #43 on: December 22, 2012, 09:49:10 AM »
As I am writing this I find myself in a rather difficult position. I have just witnessed another Spurs victory, taking us back into the top 4 on the same points as Chelsea and AVB is on the way to receiving my full support. Winning against Stoke will mean he has achieved 15 points from the games up until Christmas. If we lose or draw I will hold off judgement for a while longer.

It would seem all is well and you just cannot argue with the facts and figures. Even Baldbloke will have to eat his hat if we maintain our current win %!

So why the conflict of interest?

Well, my interest is that Spurs achieve and move forwards to greater things. However, the game against Swansea was rather uncomfortable and to be fair to MR B, the football is not pleasant to watch. Our passing is slow and uninventive. Our movement off the ball is ridiculously non-existent at times, too many players just walking from  one place on the field to another. When someone does run with the ball, aka Lennon. He rarely had anyone to give him an out when a cross was not possible. Naughton looks like a duck out of water. He cannot cross, pass or move to anywhere useful, we desperately need BAE back, or play Vertonghen there.

I appreciate that Swansea parked the bus, but we did make it hard for ourselves. Without Bale, we lack penetration, guile, class and power. If we are going to keep playing this way and winning, I will keep giving my support. But it will not be as enjoyable as I would like.

We used to play great football at times but it won us nothing. Maybe we need to get gritty to win a bit more and then the good play will hopefully follow.

I've been saying the same thing for ages. Good football is good with results, but nothing without them. Gritty or poor with results is better. It is about winning, high positions and trophies.

The point is though, we can do both. After all we did with Arry.
AVB OUT, AND TAKE LEVY WITH YOU

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Re: A conflict of interest.
« Reply #44 on: December 22, 2012, 09:54:32 AM »
Dimexi

Harsh and extremely innacurate report. You must nave been watching another game!

Some of you will only be happy until  AVB win the EPL by 10 points and "Reserve your judgment" until the last game, and if we did win (which we won't), I am sure that some will still say that we played zhit football and we were lucky.

So far we have been playing with a few new faces and without a number of key players and still we are in 4th place.  Bearing all this in mind, you have to ask yourself: Would harry have done better?

Nope!          >:(

I agree with Dimexi he is spot on about the style and genre of football we are playing IT IS BORING and although it seems to be effective it leaves you wanting more much much more !!!!
I found myself sat in front of the box watching the match this afternoon and struggling to keep my eyes open there was precious little excitement on view and although we had much of game we laboured and didn't really create anything, it was a flash of pure brilliance by Vertonghan that won it in the end not our tactics or desire !!!!
 
One other thing that was extremely apparant on the TV White Hart LAne sounded more like Highbury, where was the crowd WHL is always loud and extremely supportive but not today. Is this something to do with the poor footballing fair on show ?
 
SpursJoolz where is your evidence to prove that 'Arry wouldn't do any better that is just your opinion which I feel is very harsh, if it wasn't for 'Arry we wouldn't be where we are now !!!!
 
 >:(

I agree  with everything you say, and Dimexi was spot on with his synopsis. The Lane has been very quiet this season, and this is not just the boring football. Football is becoming a middle class family game because of the cost, and the supporters are scared stiff about what they can and can't sing. Every stadium is the same. The Liberals and politically correct or sucking the atmosphere from our stadiums.
AVB OUT, AND TAKE LEVY WITH YOU