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Re: New Spurs manager?
« Reply #60 on: June 15, 2012, 03:40:12 PM »
Well f**k me sideways I didnt see this coming at all, Arry has turned us around, yes stuffed it last season but still got us 4th.  He has the players respect and loyalty this is going to bite us in the arse so many ways what the f**k is Levy thinking? ???

We need a manager that will make the likes of Modders, VDV, Bale and our transfer targets take notice and say yeah they mean business!!

Options and they wont be cheap its got to be either Gus Hiddink or Guardolia....... err thats about it any others and we can kiss our stars and targets goodbye!

What the f**k was Levy thinking??


Agreed. Unless he gets Hiddink or Guardiola he's cocked up big time.
He won't.

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Re: New Spurs manager?
« Reply #61 on: June 15, 2012, 04:08:39 PM »
Well f**k me sideways I didnt see this coming at all, Arry has turned us around, yes stuffed it last season but still got us 4th.  He has the players respect and loyalty this is going to bite us in the arse so many ways what the f**k is Levy thinking? ???

We need a manager that will make the likes of Modders, VDV, Bale and our transfer targets take notice and say yeah they mean business!!

Options and they wont be cheap its got to be either Gus Hiddink or Guardolia....... err thats about it any others and we can kiss our stars and targets goodbye!

What the f**k was Levy thinking??


Agreed. Unless he gets Hiddink or Guardiola he's cocked up big time.
He won't.

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I doubt he is reading this.

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Re: New Spurs manager?
« Reply #62 on: June 16, 2012, 09:43:00 AM »
If he takes the job full time.

I said a long time ago that I could see HR becoming England manager and then Mourinho would come to Spurs. He has a soft spot for us and always sings our praises.

By the way I am not sure if that is who I would want (due to his style of play) but you couldn't argue with his credentials and is someone who could help us to win the premiership! One of the few people who could take us to another level (results wise that is, rather than style wise)

He just signed a new contract for Real. Even if he hadn't, we couldn't afford him or the players he would want
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Re: New Spurs manager?
« Reply #63 on: June 16, 2012, 09:45:48 AM »
Martin Jol. I would not mind David Moyes either. Martin O'Neill joined Sunderland not long ago and I doubt he would be able to move on so quickly.

At the moment, though, Harry Redknapp is still our manager and hopefully at least until EURO 2012.  :up:

Geat idea, Marting Jol. He was sacked because we were 19th and had just been dumped out of the Europa cup. He was prostituting himself around Europe so he could earn a bit more dosh, and lost the dressing room accordingly. If we are looking for stupid solutions, can I add Santini to the list ?
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Re: New Spurs manager?
« Reply #64 on: June 16, 2012, 03:39:48 PM »
Might i dare to suggest andre villas boas ? He only failed at chelseas because the players revolted against him dropping lampard .He did a good job at porto and won the uefa cup without losing a game .If not him i`d like moyes .
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Re: New Spurs manager?
« Reply #65 on: June 16, 2012, 03:47:07 PM »
Really daft to suggest that Levy should leave for sacking Harry. Like most of you, I am not too happy to see him go, but I am not blind and Harry has been his own worst enemy.  Mouthing off in the press on dozens of occasions, refusing to talk abut his contract in Feb, cagey about the England job, (which, I am sure he thought he would get). Disastrous 9 game nosedive at the end of the season due to the England job,  then, admitting live on TV that he would have left us in the lurch,then requesting a new 3 year contract with a substantial pay increase, then being less than respectful to  Daniel Levy's family live on TV. The list could go on.   As far as I am concerned, Harry's first love is his wallet, followed closely by his ego. His loyalty to our club comes way down the line.

Yes, he has worked wonders for us, but he has also put us in some very embarrassing situations, which is something the board couldn't accept.

We have to look forward yet again to a "New Dawn" for the umpteen time! >:(

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« Reply #66 on: June 16, 2012, 05:02:35 PM »
Keep Levy and a bit of stability.
At the end of the day I think the board were the ones who had the most
to do with Harry going. After all it was almost cut and dried he was the new England manager....not!!
It would have been music to their ears if he had got the England job and their dirty
work would have been done for them. Then it was left to Levy.


Lets see what happens when Levy returns to England on Monday and talks
with AVB continue (yes continue!).
He was never really given the chance at Chelski as they are impatient for results
where at N17 we have more patience .....4 years...no trophies just our best seasons for a
while but to be remembered by what could have been if we hadn't slumped 2 seasons
on the trot.
Hopefully quickly sorted and then we can get on with signing a few players.

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Re: New Spurs manager?
« Reply #67 on: June 16, 2012, 06:44:34 PM »
Do you think AVB is the man spurs need to keep our stars and attract new players? Granted i think he would be better for us than Martinez and Moyes.

When I sit back and look at events its understandable why Arry was given the boot, still a shock and the knee jerk reaction is WTF, I would rather we had a good replacement lined up then gave Arry Media Redders the push!
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Re: New Spurs manager?
« Reply #68 on: June 17, 2012, 02:44:23 AM »
To me the situation is quite simple and yet also critical.
It seems Redknapp could have been sacked without another manager waiting in the wings. I find that almost impossible to understand.
Still, the way i see it is:
If we sign a current 'average' but safe English based manager. [Moyes ,Martinez etc] Then we can wave goodbye to the best squad we have had for years. it will be a clear message that we are accepting mediocrity and have a lack of ambition. We are accepting mid table boredom with the hope of the odd Wembely appearance. So why would the stars come or even stay.


If we sign AVB or Mourinho [yes I know all about his nw contract]. Then at least we can say [whether it be true or not] that we are ambitious and looking to push on. Harry took us s far and now we need someone to take us on to Champions league games as a right rather than a fluke.
It might be a pack of lies but it might be enough to keep the squad together.
The other alternative is just to horrendous to consider
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Re: New Spurs manager?
« Reply #69 on: June 17, 2012, 10:37:05 AM »
AVB whats all this AVB s**te...... mediocre managers thats what AVB is mediocre along with Martinez, Benitez and all the others.
 
We had the best English manager in the Premier League and Levy sacked him...bottom line !!!!
 
SAF and Whinger spout off in the media but their clubs don't sack them because they know they are the best managers for the clubs. So 'Arry openly admitted his desire to manage England but he didn't get it at the time the club and Levy where offering him the world to stay so why when he dosen't get the job offer him nothing and then sack him what changed !!!!
 
As far as I'm concerned we are fast becoming a laughing stock and will be lucky to keep the tea lady let alone half the squad..................... and if AVB is the extent of our ambition then I'm sorry but we are truly f**ked !!!!
 
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Re: New Spurs manager?
« Reply #70 on: June 17, 2012, 10:46:58 AM »
Ugs. I totally agree. I am as bitter as anyone about Harry's departure, and ashamed as well but gone he has and I stand by my comments that whoever is appointed [and I believe it will be AVB] must be able to be presented as a step forward. I like Moyes but I can't see how he could be seen as a step forward, to me that leaves AVB
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Re: New Spurs manager?
« Reply #71 on: June 17, 2012, 10:58:35 AM »
Puke I understand your reasoning behind your thinking but in the Premier League AVB is looked on as a failure and a bit of a fool because of the way he went about things at Chelski, even more so now that they won the FA cup and Champions League. I can't see anyway of dressing up his appointment as a step forward I am even struggling to see it as a sideways step !!!!
 
I just can't see anyway of Levy appointing anyone that would be a forward step unless he gets Guardiola and that's why i think we are completely f**ked and about to enter another long period in the wilderness.
 
Oh the joy of being a Spurs supporter, we are destined to suffer for life !!!!!
 
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Re: New Spurs manager?
« Reply #72 on: June 17, 2012, 11:38:29 AM »
I have held back since hearing about Harry's departure, waiting to hear some news that would be the sugar to this bitter pill. So far, none is forthcoming. I thought Jol's sacking was premature and did not sit well with me. Then we bring in someone who does not know the premiership and struggles. Harry's arrival appeared to be a master stroke, the way the team responded was fantastic, however, I now believe that appointment was more luck than judgement on Levy's part.

Everyone thought Harry would get the England job. So what? The reasons for those thoughts were because of how he had pulled Spurs from mediocrity to the sublime (at times). He created a squad that was able to challenge for the Champion's leagues spots with a style of football everyone enjoyed watching. Of course he was the number 1 public choice, he deserved to be. This does not take away from Hodgson's abilities, he was simply more of an FA man. The fact that Harry did not distance himself from the England job, is not, I repeat not, a slant on his loyalty to Spurs. Every single one of us would love the opportunity to manage England. I believe that playing or managing England should rightfully be above club football. So he should be applauded for wanting to take on that role. The fact that this fiasco affected the way the team was playing, was down to the players. We were still playing good football, creating chances, but failed to make those chances count. Harry's fault? I think not. (Levy's fault, for not buying a decent striker when asked? Probably)

So who do we have next? Someone for the long term, or are we going to have to watch Levy mess it up and hope he flukes another good manager?

Had HR gone to England AVB would have been an acceptable move. Yes, he did not do that well at Chelsea, but the personalities there made it impossible. He should have been given more time, but the Russian is impatient and rightly so it turns out. But for Spurs, the evolution from HR to AVB could have been gradual. We would have given him time to grow and develop, with the hope that he would prove the Russian wrong.

Unfortunately, now HR has been sacked, against the will of most of the supporters, AVB is now not a viable option. Unless it goes really well from the start, the patience of the supporters for AVB will be remarkably less than that of the Russian. It is destined to end in misery and AVB will look like a failure yet again which would be a shame, because he may turn out to be a great manager in the future if given the chance. Spurs is not a good place for him to make his comeback.

Moyes? He is a good manager, but not a step forward. Good at what he does, but not a title challenging manager. Martinez? Young, bright intelligent but a step backwards. He needs to manage a team like Everton, Newcastle or Fulham first, before going for a higher job role. Mark Hughes? did well at Blackburn and Man City but not doing so well at QPR (yet), but does not seem like a Spurs kind of person. Capello? Did not like him as England manager and his lack of English a huge problem for me, a good choice technically though, but I think it would end badly.

Of course we would all want to see someone like Guardiola, Mourinho, Hiddink or Ancellotti but they will not come without champions league football or without cash to burn. 

So who is left out there?

For me there are only two choices that are viable Benitez and Pardew.

Benitez has experience at the highest level, is a champion's league winner, speaks excellent English, and did well at Liverpool before the owners changed and there were problems at the club. (occasionally has some strange transfer choices though!) But Levy would not spend money on a player that was completely duff.

Pardew has done extremely well at Newcastle. Works well under a budget. Transfers very good finds who have done well in the prem this year. Ba, Cisse, Cabaye etc. More of a sideways step, rather than a backwards one and plays good attractive football. Probably my number 1 choice with Benitez a close second.
« Last Edit: June 17, 2012, 11:43:26 AM by dimexi »
Maybe next year...

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Re: New Spurs manager?
« Reply #73 on: June 17, 2012, 12:44:25 PM »
Dimi a well rounded and reasoned argument and I pretty much agree with all your conclusions.
 
To be honest though Benitez and Pardew would both be such underwhelming appointments I'm still not sure either would take us forward or for that fact hold us in our current position.
 
Why would Pardew want to leave Newcastle a team that he has built and taken to the brink of Champions League success surely he would want to continue the job he started, and to be honest coming to Spurs would be like coming to the Newcastke of the south all the potential but never the results. Benitez OK I can't really think of a good argument against him apart from the fact that we destroyed his Inter side in the Champs League and I really don't like him (Not an argument really but ....)
 
Maybe go back and ask Glenn Hoddle again, who knows he may do well this time..... I just can't see anyone that would do it for us except Guardiola. Mourinho or funnily enough Redknapp !!!!
 
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Re: New Spurs manager?
« Reply #74 on: June 17, 2012, 05:10:01 PM »
Might i dare to suggest andre villas boas ? He only failed at chelseas because the players revolted against him dropping lampard .He did a good job at porto and won the uefa cup without losing a game .If not him i`d like moyes .

I just derided someone for suggesting Jol was the most stupid solution, thinking that no one could come with something more ridiculous. Well done though, you have won the prize. AVB ran a micky mouse club in a micky mouse league and one a micky mouse cup. Abromocic was to stupid to see that and gave him a massive contract. Something tells me you might be right though !!
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