The transfer solution.

[Gareth Keown]

quite a few not-so-famous strikers would actually be very good, as long as they operate in the right tactical formation..

I see Arry's sees this too, from the rumblings emanating recently for a strong possibility of Nicholas Bendtner coming to Spurs.... again it shows Arry's looking to bring in the right attributes over the right 'name'....

I like it 

[aspursfan]

I think Bendtner is good enough of a player, but I sincerely doubt that Wenger would be willing to part with him. RVP can only stay fit for a handful of games at a time.

Perhaps we can raid West Ham for Demba Ba if he continues playing well. He's tall, strong and has already scored 3 in 3. I'm sure they'll be looking to sell a few players if they go down.

[Gareth Keown]

Wenger may be forced to let him leave if Bendtner wants to go due to few games played...

as for Demba Ba, Sturridge et al, it just goes to show what getting 3-4 goals in a few games can do to a player's profile and fan-appreciation.... where was all this great fan-opinion of Sturridge before he went to Bolton ??...

Ba may well be a good buy, but I think there are better players only slightly more expensive, with the same type of physical attributes but with more footballing technique and game-intelligence...

[bigv]

Falling into the trap of thinking a striker would score the same for team a as team b is called scouting gareth. Its how all players are valued and assessed you fool. If players were bought on the basis of what they "might" score at their new club instead of proven past accomplishments, the transfer system would be an absolute mess littered with disaster signings throughout. eg David Ngog at Liverpool. When todays price is 20-30million for a slightly better than average striker im afraid clubs want a bit more in terms of performance related assurances.

[Gareth Keown]

Bigv.... /removed/...try taking your own advice seriously and desist from replying to my posts.... maybe I'd have abit more respect for you if you were able to do that..

there can be very little real difference between a young player worth 35m (Carroll) and another picked up for a paltry sum or on a loan eg. Ba and Sturridge.... the only real difference is in the hype the Media generates in the short-mid term for any given flavour-of-the-month/year..

for example: Carroll is nowhere near 35m worth... he is a good targetman and young still, and thats about it.... yes he's scored a few for Newky this half-season to date but most teams gave him too little regard then, and he wont find things as easy anymore and will prove unworthy of the price-tag..... if you say they all want assurances and water-tight guarantees, then Carroll is hardly that... in fact I actually think Leon Best is a better forward and will prove it soon enough..

[bigv]

I dont remember mentioning carroll at any stage keown but yet again you go off on a tangent with whatever drivel materailises in that pointy little head of yours. dont worry you clown its not for everyone to understand .

[Gareth Keown]

youre obviously alien to the entire concept of illustrating a point with a generic example.... dont worry about it, if its all too much to take in...

PS - Carroll no doubt is someone you'd love, as he has been on tv alot 

[bigv]

Much to the contrary my silly little idiotic forumite it may have gone unnoticed to you but I have never been a fan of carroll and my posts especially on the clubs alleged bid for same striker reflect this. If this post clarifies things for you il be willing to accept that you are not intellectually bankrupt although you are operating with limited mental funds nonetheless. No "offence" dear!!

[Gareth Keown]

you obviously struggle with sarcasm as well as many other things, so let's just leave it shall we... this is getting boring and off-topic...I really can't be arsed to reply to your imbecilic pedantry any longer..

(and I thought Ugsy was bad enough)

[millers-tach]

I don't think Chelsea would ever sell Sturridge to us. I'm just pointing out that it's an unrealistic target.

I think Liverpool would be absolutely thrilled if we went for Ngog. I would not be thrilled.

Jerome has scored 3 goals and provided 2 assists in 23 games. I don't really think that's the improvement we're in need of. He's tall, quick and strong, but I'm not so sure he's the goal scorer we're looking for. I think I'd prefer Rodallega to Jerome, but I'm hoping we go for someone with a fantastic goal scoring record.

Jerome is s**t.
 
Ngogg is f*ckin s**t
 
Neither is the the final solution, we need to aim higher then them. Can you see City, Utd,Arse etc chasing either of them two? Thought not.

[Gareth Keown]

I don't think Chelsea would ever sell Sturridge to us. I'm just pointing out that it's an unrealistic target.

I think Liverpool would be absolutely thrilled if we went for Ngog. I would not be thrilled.

Jerome has scored 3 goals and provided 2 assists in 23 games. I don't really think that's the improvement we're in need of. He's tall, quick and strong, but I'm not so sure he's the goal scorer we're looking for. I think I'd prefer Rodallega to Jerome, but I'm hoping we go for someone with a fantastic goal scoring record.

Jerome is s**t.
 
Ngogg is f*ckin s**t
 
Neither is the the final solution, we need to aim higher then them. Can you see City, Utd,Arse etc chasing either of them two? Thought not.

 

[aspursfan]

I don't think Chelsea would ever sell Sturridge to us. I'm just pointing out that it's an unrealistic target.

I think Liverpool would be absolutely thrilled if we went for Ngog. I would not be thrilled.

Jerome has scored 3 goals and provided 2 assists in 23 games. I don't really think that's the improvement we're in need of. He's tall, quick and strong, but I'm not so sure he's the goal scorer we're looking for. I think I'd prefer Rodallega to Jerome, but I'm hoping we go for someone with a fantastic goal scoring record.

Jerome is s**t.
 
Ngogg is f*ckin s**t
 
Neither is the the final solution, we need to aim higher then them. Can you see City, Utd,Arse etc chasing either of them two? Thought not.

Agree with you about Ngog. He's a very determined diver, but that seems to be about it.

I don't think Jerome is a bad player, but you're right in that we need to aim higher. We need someone who can improve our team.

[dimexi]

First of all, I would like to say that we shouldn't be getting into a mud throwing contest, I don't care who has the biggest banana. Please keep to the topic, rather than personal insults. I have agreed very little with GK's point of view, but he is entitled to it!

Talking of which, Gk, you seem intent of having mediocrity at Spurs. Your suggestions for a new striker/partnership are either unproven (so they may do well) or uninspiring and not of a high enough standard to improve the team significantly. Some of your unproven choices may be an option if they fit the bill for having the potential to be successful. Also a kind of scouting BigV, but they have to show glimpses of what they could be capable of. However, for this kind of player, you would need to look abroad where little is known of them yet, to younger players that are just on the edge of becoming good players or in the lower divisions where they may be doing well but you think they could step up to the next level. They are not going to come from a fellow premiership side, because otherwise they would already be doing it!

More importantly we need  someone who is already proven at the highest level. For this we need to scout for actual ability and BigV is absolutely correct in this matter. The idea that Ngog is suddenly going to become a great player is simply inaccurate, he is not terrible, otherwise he wouldn't have been as successful as he has been, but the idea that he is the answer to our problem is just laughable! The same is true for Jerome, Ba etc. good players but not the final solution.

If we are only going to buy one striker he needs to be proven, and one that has the quality to take us to the next level. If we can get two, then one quality player and one player with unleashed potential would be a very sensible approach.

[Gareth Keown]

dimexi.... strikers can be the most overhyped players around... a player like Carroll was on offrer in the summer by Newky for 1m pounds (they have admitted in papers recently) but nobody came in, now after half a season in the Prem, he's worth 35m - its a joke 

using your criteria, we probably wouldnt have bought Berbatov (a player from a weaker league and not written about much in the papers here)..

a forward is mainly judged on goals, and that can be a huge advantage in sniffing out under-rated players.... so much depends on HOW a striker is deployed, whether they play to his strengths and the overall tactics of the team. 2 words: Diego Forlan.... thats why a player who can be prolific like C.Jerome is hugely under-valued at Brum.... ditto Ngog (who is an excellent allround striker when given a REAL chance to prove himself (and not just fill in until the 'great' Carroll is fit to stroll into the Liverpool team)....

Ngog was excellent early in the season, when he was shown REAL faith by Hodgson and played fairly regularly.... since Dalglish came and the 'famous' strikers arrived, he knows he's just filling in time and has played accordingly...

both Ngog and Jerome are actually better players than Carroll (who is just a big targetman who got lucky for 3 months from August, when Prem teams didnt give Newky or Carroll much respect and they capitalised on that....

it aint about the price, it aint about the hype.... its about the atributes a player can bring to a team which are currently missing..

[dimexi]

using your criteria, we probably wouldnt have bought Berbatov (a player from a weaker league and not written about much in the papers here)..

I think GK that you are so keen to give your opinion, that you don't always take on board others' point of view. If you had done you would have realised without too much effort that Berbatov was a perfect example of a player who had potential, someone from abroad who was little known about but was scouted as someone who could become a star. Hence we bought him for £10.9 m and once he became a proven premiership player we sold him for £30.75m. You are countering my arguments with statements that ironically support my point of view. So thank you.

both Ngog and Jerome are actually better players than Carroll (who is just a big targetman who got lucky for 3 months from August, when Prem teams didnt give Newky or Carroll much respect and they capitalised on that....

it aint about the price, it aint about the hype.... its about the atributes a player can bring to a team which are currently missing..

Also, you never seem to conced a point, even when you are clearly mistaken or the only person saying it. I completely disagree that Ngog and Jerome are better players than Carroll. I agree that Carroll is not the finished article but I think you will find it hard to find anyone in football who would rather have Ngog than Carroll. Do you really think that if both players were free transfers and Harry had the choice of either of them he would pick Ngog? And yes it is all about the attributes that a player can bring to a team, which is why managers and clubs agree to pay huge transfer fees, not because of the hype, although this can add £s, but because the team that needs that player consider him to worth the outlay to help them succeed. Therefore, we can either pay under £10m for a player of Jerome quality or we could pay +£15m for a proven, experienced and quality player that has all the attributes we need and more.