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Tottenham Discussion => Match Day Chat => Topic started by: RiffHard on September 24, 2015, 09:10:27 AM
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I'm deeply upset after this result. We've allowed a player who has never scored two goals a season, to score twice against us. And why did Pochettino play a weakened team against our biggest rivals? Stupid, just stupid.
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To be fair the team wasn't that week, yes we made 8 changes but we still had plenty of chances and they had all the luck! we deserved to win that match and played some lovely football especially second half, our Achilles heel is as usual individual errors, Fazio clearance for the winner was shocking and no one tracked flammini running in!, this type of mistake capped with Kanes miss firing is what makes the difference in key games like this!, Ars*nal scored with there first attack yet we still kept creating chances and couldnt find the target, we should have had a penalty but it was not to be, now we must focus on City and be sure make the chances count in that game.
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The team was fatally weakened in its most important place. Vorm, Fazio & Wimmer. We had the 2nd best defence in prem, and as you rightly say, conceded 2 sloppy goals.
At the other end we were useless, but then we have been useless there all season.
Even this second rate Ars*nal seemed to pass more sharply than us, and their players moved into spaces better than us. And most importantly Flamini had 2 chances and scored 2 goals.
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The team was fatally weakened in its most important place. Vorm, Fazio & Wimmer. We had the 2nd best defence in prem, and as you rightly say, conceded 2 sloppy goals.
At the other end we were useless, but then we have been useless there all season.
Even this second rate Ars*nal seemed to pass more sharply than us, and their players moved into spaces better than us. And most importantly Flamini had 2 chances and scored 2 goals.
To be fair, I think Wimmer was okay. Fazio and Vorm obviously not.
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I cannot understand in a cup game against our biggest rivals and a game that means so much to the supporters why our wonderful manager makes 8 changes!!
I was at the game last night and really other than for 15 mins in the second half all we did was huff and puff and achieved nothing.
I think Poch is running out of time his tactics are questionable and not rational there is no plan B!
As an example how can you change the whole back 5 pair 2 players who have not played together Fazio and wimmer and expect a positive outcome.
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I was talking to Pat Jennings last year and he said that he couldn't understand why clubs rotate their players, and I agree. The more times they play together the better it is. That is why lower league teams (as in Premier) do so well. They haven't got the luxury of rotation. I also don't think that the Ars*nal game was the game to try to get Kane to score. We should have used Son from the beginning. Also; one of the goals (against us) might have been saved if Lloris was in goal. Saying all that, I thought they weren't THAT BAD.
Leaving this competition could be a blessing in disguise. We can now concentrate on Europa, League and FA cup (when it comes).
There was a lot of trouble up their last night; I saw a fan get his head split open and the police were forced to rush in.
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I cannot understand in a cup game against our biggest rivals and a game that means so much to the supporters why our wonderful manager makes 8 changes!!
I was at the game last night and really other than for 15 mins in the second half all we did was huff and puff and achieved nothing.
I think Poch is running out of time his tactics are questionable and not rational there is no plan B!
As an example how can you change the whole back 5 pair 2 players who have not played together Fazio and wimmer and expect a positive outcome.
I don't agree that Poch is running out of time. What is more important is how he does in the League, and on Sunday we played very well against Palace.
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Leaving this competition could be a blessing in disguise. We can now concentrate on Europa, League and FA cup (when it comes).
Sorry, but that's an ignorant comment. The League Cup is realistically the only competition we would have been capable of winning. We are 5-8th team in the league, not to mention we actually last won it 54 years ago. In the FA Cup we'll probably lose against a lower league team, and we last won the competition in 1991. Pochettino is playing weakened teams in Europe and that means we'll crash out against the likes of Sevilla, Roma, Juventus or any other continental team. Our last win in Europe came 31 years ago and we've had much stronger teams since then than we have today. And, that takes us to the League Cup - we last won it in 2008 and have since appeared in two more finals. So, a blessing in disguise? No, a proper chance of winning some silverware.
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Leaving this competition could be a blessing in disguise. We can now concentrate on Europa, League and FA cup (when it comes).
Sorry, but that's an ignorant comment. The League Cup is realistically the only competition we would have been capable of winning. We are 5-8th team in the league, not to mention we actually last won it 54 years ago. In the FA Cup we'll probably lose against a lower league team, and we last won the competition in 1991. Pochettino is playing weakened teams in Europe and that means we'll crash out against the likes of Sevilla, Roma, Juventus or any other continental team. Our last win in Europe came 31 years ago and we've had much stronger teams since then than we have today. And, that takes us to the League Cup - we last won it in 2008 and have since appeared in two more finals. So, a blessing in disguise? No, a proper chance of winning some silverware.
Actually, it is not. “A blessing in disguise” actually means “something that seems bad or unlucky at first, but results in something good happening later: Losing that job was a blessing in disguise really.” It doesn’t mean that one is glad it happened (of course not), but it has happened, and because it happened some good could come out of it. Like, we can concentrate on other matters; such as the league, FA and Europe.
Of course, the rest of what you say, I agree, but we were still knocked out of the League cup; end of. So let us hope we can benefit from it (“a blessing in disguise”).
After Churchill lost the election in 1945 (to Attlee’s Labour party) his wife (Clemintine Churchill) said, “it is probably a blessing in disguise”. It means that some good can come out of an event, tragedy or death, not that we wished it to happen in the first place.
If I could finally take the liberty and quote from Oscar Wilde’s “Importance of being Ernest”: “And now, dear Mr. Worthing, I will not intrude any longer into a house of sorrow. I would merely beg you not to be too much bowed down by grief. What seem to us bitter trials are often blessings in disguise. This seems to me a blessing of an extremely obvious kind.”
So, there was no “ignorance” on my part.
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A very disappoint night, and so much was expected. I don’t agree with voice about rotation of squads, or not. The current climate we live in calls for rotation of squads, and those that haven’t got such luxury are exactly where they should be, propping up the league. :hide:
I thought Kane should have been partnered with Son to give him that extra boost. A sad ending to the night, we conceded to our old enemy. And what did they do to show their joy? They ripped our signs up and the FA are not going to do anything about it. I wonder what would have happened if it was the other way around? There seems, in our football league, or premier league, a favouritism policy.
Let us hope that Saturday's match against City will be a totally different squad. The same squad that beat the Eagles last Sunday. :up: :up: :up: :up: :up: :up: :up: :up:
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Leaving this competition could be a blessing in disguise. We can now concentrate on Europa, League and FA cup (when it comes).
Sorry, but that's an ignorant comment. The League Cup is realistically the only competition we would have been capable of winning. We are 5-8th team in the league, not to mention we actually last won it 54 years ago. In the FA Cup we'll probably lose against a lower league team, and we last won the competition in 1991. Pochettino is playing weakened teams in Europe and that means we'll crash out against the likes of Sevilla, Roma, Juventus or any other continental team. Our last win in Europe came 31 years ago and we've had much stronger teams since then than we have today. And, that takes us to the League Cup - we last won it in 2008 and have since appeared in two more finals. So, a blessing in disguise? No, a proper chance of winning some silverware.
Hi Riffhard, I think you misunderstood voice’s comments about blessing in disguise. He wasn’t glad that we were defeated, none of us were, but it has happened - a blessing in disguise - so we must make the most of it. I must say, so eloquently, though longwinded, put (sorry, voice, I love you really :hide: :lol:).
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Ruth, don't be silly, RiffHard is having voice on. Of course he knows what it means. As for voice. Don't you know when somebody is pulling your leg? :lol: :lol:
As for commenting on this match, I'll pass. As soon as you saw the lineup you could guess the score, or at least it might have gone into penalties. Let us hope that City will be a different result, but I somehow doubt it, that is why I've put for City to win in the prediction section.
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Yes, sorry Riffhard, I thought you were being serious there, I should have realised that you knew what it meant. You caught me on that one... fair play to you, wanting to add some humour to your post. May I suggest that next time use a smilie as it is hard, sometimes, to distinguish between straight talking and leg pulling :2funny: :2funny: :2funny: :lol:
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Blessing in Disguise or not, it's always very painful to lose to the Arse, particularly on our own turf. >:(
I agree that Poch could have played a stronger side at least for this one game so that we would lose to Sheffield instead :nope:
Disappointing, but we'll get over it! :nods:
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Blessing in Disguise or not, it's always very painful to lose to the Arse, particularly on our own turf. >:(
I agree that Poch could have played a stronger side at least for this one game so that we would lose to Sheffield instead :nope:
Disappointing, but we'll get over it! :nods:
Yes, and that is why, I believe, he should have used the same squad that beat Palace on Sunday. But that is now over and we must concentrate on the league and Europa. Let us show something in tomorrow's match. :up:
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We should have won and we could have won if Pochettino had used a stronger squad. Because of not doing that we ended up being humilated in front of the Gooners. It was a bad evening all around and now, after that defeat, we've got to take on the leaders of the Premier League. And that team, after being beaten by the Hammers, won their midweek match in the cup. So they've blown off that hammers defeat and will come to White Hart Lane in good spirits. I hope that 'Blessing in disguise' that voice talks about is the blessing of our victory over the blue army of Manchester.
Jane x
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Howdy,
I've already commented on this match somewhere on this spurs platform. But watching the match on TV, and even with all those changes, Spurs didn't humiliate themselves and could have easily nipped it. They kept fighting for another goal to come, and that is to their credit. It will be a different match when we again face them in the league. I think we’ve got our priorities right.
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Howdy,
I've already commented on this match somewhere on this spurs platform. But watching the match on TV, and even with all those changes, Spurs didn't humiliate themselves and could have easily nipped it. They kept fighting for another goal to come, and that is to their credit. It will be a different match when we again face them in the league. I think we’ve got our priorities right.
I agree with you Don, yes we lost the match, yes we lost to the gooners, but we did play good football and we went on to beat City with our strongest team and as a top 4 finish is priority and we are already playing in Europe this season we must realistic, playing in every competition is just to much on the players fitness, keeping a strong team going in the league tops everything for me! once we start beating the best consistently in our home front then and only then should we start taking the league cup more seriously!, if by chance we reach a cup final then yes play the strongest team but until then use the competition to play our prospects and let them gain valuable experience.
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Howdy,
I've already commented on this match somewhere on this spurs platform. But watching the match on TV, and even with all those changes, Spurs didn't humiliate themselves and could have easily nipped it. They kept fighting for another goal to come, and that is to their credit. It will be a different match when we again face them in the league. I think we’ve got our priorities right.
Don, the current crop of players are playing well and are fighting for everything. A few years ago they would have given up in the last few minutes if they weren't winning. All credit to them and the manager.