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Tottenham Discussion => Spurs Chat => Topic started by: 1961 on November 25, 2013, 07:15:54 AM
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As an ancient fan who watched Johnny White (RIP) I am mystified by recent expenditure. I am also amazed by Defoe's patience. Had Martin Joel or Harry had such a budget imagine the impact. We have not replaced the power of Ledley King or the engine room of Scotty Parker. All pretty boys and no bxxx.
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As an ancient fan who watched Johnny White (RIP) I am mystified by recent expenditure. I am also amazed by Defoe's patience. Had Martin Joel or Harry had such a budget imagine the impact. We have not replaced the power of Ledley King or the engine room of Scotty Parker. All pretty boys and no bxxx.
An element of truth in what you say 1961.
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I've been looking at our new team and I think the problem is that our midfield is not that suited to English game. As 1961 pointed out, we haven't replaced Scott Parker and I think he might have a point. We had two Brazilians in the middle and despite the fact they should click, they were pretty much awful. Lamela is not up to English game yet and well, Lennon is Lennon... Yes, he is fast, but he lacks the grit.
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As an ancient fan who watched Johnny White (RIP) I am mystified by recent expenditure. I am also amazed by Defoe's patience. Had Martin Joel or Harry had such a budget imagine the impact. We have not replaced the power of Ledley King or the engine room of Scotty Parker. All pretty boys and no bxxx.
I think it is too early to judge. You can spend as much as you like but you've got to get the players to gel. We got quite a few players in, in the summer so now AVB has to mould that team into working machine.
Harry or Joel wouldn't have done any better.
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As an ancient fan who watched Johnny White (RIP) I am mystified by recent expenditure. I am also amazed by Defoe's patience. Had Martin Joel or Harry had such a budget imagine the impact. We have not replaced the power of Ledley King or the engine room of Scotty Parker. All pretty boys and no bxxx.
1961 you are so right AVB has removed all the heart, power and passion from the side and you will know better than most having watched a team with Dave MacKay playing in it, someone has to do the dirty work !!!
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1961 good post, valid points made! Hammer, nail ,head ,hit!
For me right now i believe we are in a similar position as Chelsea and Man City were in when they practically brought a new team, whilst I welcome our new signings and have high hopes I feel the sheer volume of new skillful players who as individuals are utter class being all brought in at the same time, means we are starting from scratch.
In my opinion AVB does not yet know what his strongest and prefered 11 is, which combination of players work best together complimenting each others skill sets and he has not given the team time to gel.
Lets face it our second string in the Europa are having more success, agreed against weaker opposition but they are performing.
My biggest fear is due to AVB being so scared to loose matches he is in reflection losing the players respect and belief in him by employing tactics that do not suit many, Dembele has already spoken out. Is AVB loosing the dressing room if he is or has its a downward slide.
I hope a huge lesson as been learnt and if AVB is the manager I think and hope he is we should see a very different approach vs Man U.
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As an ancient fan who watched Johnny White (RIP) I am mystified by recent expenditure. I am also amazed by Defoe's patience. Had Martin Joel or Harry had such a budget imagine the impact. We have not replaced the power of Ledley King or the engine room of Scotty Parker. All pretty boys and no bxxx.
1961 you are so right AVB has removed all the heart, power and passion from the side and you will know better than most having watched a team with Dave MacKay playing in it, someone has to do the dirty work !!!
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The 1961 team was a great team, but they couldn't go on to emulate that success. We haven't won a league title since. I couldn't care less what AVB removes so long has he gets us trophies and fighting for the title.
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As an ancient fan who watched Johnny White (RIP) I am mystified by recent expenditure. I am also amazed by Defoe's patience. Had Martin Joel or Harry had such a budget imagine the impact. We have not replaced the power of Ledley King or the engine room of Scotty Parker. All pretty boys and no bxxx.
1961 you are so right AVB has removed all the heart, power and passion from the side and you will know better than most having watched a team with Dave MacKay playing in it, someone has to do the dirty work !!!
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The 1961 team was a great team, but they couldn't go on to emulate that success. We haven't won a league title since. I couldn't care less what AVB removes so long has he gets us trophies and fighting for the title.
Funny that that team then finished 2nd the following year retained the FA Cup and then went on to finish 4th in 1963 and win the Cup WInners Cup, the first English club to win a major European title. I'd say that they were pretty successful !!!!
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As an ancient fan who watched Johnny White (RIP) I am mystified by recent expenditure. I am also amazed by Defoe's patience. Had Martin Joel or Harry had such a budget imagine the impact. We have not replaced the power of Ledley King or the engine room of Scotty Parker. All pretty boys and no bxxx.
1961 you are so right AVB has removed all the heart, power and passion from the side and you will know better than most having watched a team with Dave MacKay playing in it, someone has to do the dirty work !!!
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The 1961 team was a great team, but they couldn't go on to emulate that success. We haven't won a league title since. I couldn't care less what AVB removes so long has he gets us trophies and fighting for the title.
Funny that that team then finished 2nd the following year retained the FA Cup and then went on to finish 4th in 1963 and win the Cup WInners Cup, the first English club to win a major European title. I'd say that they were pretty successful !!!!
Successful compared to what? To ourselves? Successful is when you win the league. Cup competition is just a lottery. Portsmouth and Wigan both won the cup. But they can't win the league. That is success.
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As an ancient fan who watched Johnny White (RIP) I am mystified by recent expenditure. I am also amazed by Defoe's patience. Had Martin Joel or Harry had such a budget imagine the impact. We have not replaced the power of Ledley King or the engine room of Scotty Parker. All pretty boys and no bxxx.
1961 you are so right AVB has removed all the heart, power and passion from the side and you will know better than most having watched a team with Dave MacKay playing in it, someone has to do the dirty work !!!
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The 1961 team was a great team, but they couldn't go on to emulate that success. We haven't won a league title since. I couldn't care less what AVB removes so long has he gets us trophies and fighting for the title.
Funny that that team then finished 2nd the following year retained the FA Cup and then went on to finish 4th in 1963 and win the Cup WInners Cup, the first English club to win a major European title. I'd say that they were pretty successful !!!!
Successful compared to what? To ourselves? Successful is when you win the league. Cup competition is just a lottery. Portsmouth and Wigan both won the cup. But they can't win the league. That is success.
You realy are unbelievable Voice, a title and 3 trophies in 3 years is successful in anybodys book. No wonder no one posts here anymore you argue every point even when you are proved wrong or don't have a point, you truly are a tit !!!
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Ugs if our current side were to win the title and 3 cups of any mixture in 3 years I would certainly deem that a success!
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As an ancient fan who watched Johnny White (RIP) I am mystified by recent expenditure. I am also amazed by Defoe's patience. Had Martin Joel or Harry had such a budget imagine the impact. We have not replaced the power of Ledley King or the engine room of Scotty Parker. All pretty boys and no bxxx.
1961 you are so right AVB has removed all the heart, power and passion from the side and you will know better than most having watched a team with Dave MacKay playing in it, someone has to do
the dirty work !!!
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The 1961 team was a great team, but they couldn't go on to emulate that success. We haven't won a league title since. I couldn't care less what AVB removes so long has he gets us trophies and fighting for the title.
Funny that that team then finished 2nd the following year retained the FA Cup and then went on to finish 4th in 1963 and win the Cup WInners Cup, the first English club to win a major European title. I'd say that they were pretty successful !!!!
From someone who was also around in the 60's I can tell you now, they were a great side up until 1964 when half the double side were either dead, injured, or retired, and Billy Nick replaced virtually the entire team by 1967, when we finished 3rd, and won the cup. We came very close in the league several times in that decade, so to say that we didn't emulate the 1961 season simply is not true.
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As an ancient fan who watched Johnny White (RIP) I am mystified by recent expenditure. I am also amazed by Defoe's patience. Had Martin Joel or Harry had such a budget imagine the impact. We have not replaced the power of Ledley King or the engine room of Scotty Parker. All pretty boys and no bxxx.
1961 you are so right AVB has removed all the heart, power and passion from the side and you will know better than most having watched a team with Dave MacKay playing in it, someone has to do
the dirty work !!!
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The 1961 team was a great team, but they couldn't go on to emulate that success. We haven't won a league title since. I couldn't care less what AVB removes so long has he gets us trophies and fighting for the title.
Funny that that team then finished 2nd the following year retained the FA Cup and then went on to finish 4th in 1963 and win the Cup WInners Cup, the first English club to win a major European title. I'd say that they were pretty successful !!!!
From someone who was also around in the 60's I can tell you now, they were a great side up until 1964 when half the double side were either dead, injured, or retired, and Billy Nick replaced virtually the entire team by 1967, when we finished 3rd, and won the cup. We came very close in the league several times in that decade, so to say that we didn't emulate the 1961 season simply is not true.
I was born 1947(yes you are correct I am an old fart) and have been supporting SPURS since the age of 8 and went to games both Home and Away, and I was privileged to see The Double Side(Yes it was a privilege), and all of Billy Nick's teams, and for someone who purports to be a Spurs Supporter have the audacity to say that they never emulated the Double side is insulting to say the least, that was the most successful era of our Club and you should be ashamed of yourself for making such statements.
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As an ancient fan who watched Johnny White (RIP) I am mystified by recent expenditure. I am also amazed by Defoe's patience. Had Martin Joel or Harry had such a budget imagine the impact. We have not replaced the power of Ledley King or the engine room of Scotty Parker. All pretty boys and no bxxx.
1961 you are so right AVB has removed all the heart, power and passion from the side and you will know better than most having watched a team with Dave MacKay playing in it, someone has to do the dirty work !!!
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The 1961 team was a great team, but they couldn't go on to emulate that success. We haven't won a league title since. I couldn't care less what AVB removes so long has he gets us trophies and fighting for the title.
Funny that that team then finished 2nd the following year retained the FA Cup and then went on to finish 4th in 1963 and win the Cup WInners Cup, the first English club to win a major European title. I'd say that they were pretty successful !!!!
Successful compared to what? To ourselves? Successful is when you win the league. Cup competition is just a lottery. Portsmouth and Wigan both won the cup. But they can't win the league. That is success.
You realy are unbelievable Voice, a title and 3 trophies in 3 years is successful in anybodys book. No wonder no one posts here anymore you argue every point even when you are proved wrong or don't have a point, you truly are a tit !!!
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I argue points if I feel they need to be argued. As you do if you think I am wrong. Yes, 3 titles in 3 years is good, but today's football your worth is counted in league titles. Look at the top 4 teams; all have won titles recently.
As for people not posting; I think you should look beyond me. I am on other forums and people don't leave because of me but appreciate all types of views. If you were right then every forum I touched would be turned into wastelands, they are not. They are thriving.
I think if you want to know why people are not posting then look no further than yourself. If you can attack other members (calling them tits or idiots) and getting away with it then maybe people don't want to join a forum where a few can get away with abuse without people challenged. I am not doing anything I am not doing on other forums. And what I am doing is appreciated.
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As an ancient fan who watched Johnny White (RIP) I am mystified by recent expenditure. I am also amazed by Defoe's patience. Had Martin Joel or Harry had such a budget imagine the impact. We have not replaced the power of Ledley King or the engine room of Scotty Parker. All pretty boys and no bxxx.
1961 you are so right AVB has removed all the heart, power and passion from the side and you will know better than most having watched a team with Dave MacKay playing in it, someone has to do
the dirty work !!!
:up:
The 1961 team was a great team, but they couldn't go on to emulate that success. We haven't won a league title since. I couldn't care less what AVB removes so long has he gets us trophies and fighting for the title.
Funny that that team then finished 2nd the following year retained the FA Cup and then went on to finish 4th in 1963 and win the Cup WInners Cup, the first English club to win a major European title. I'd say that they were pretty successful !!!!
From someone who was also around in the 60's I can tell you now, they were a great side up until 1964 when half the double side were either dead, injured, or retired, and Billy Nick replaced virtually the entire team by 1967, when we finished 3rd, and won the cup. We came very close in the league several times in that decade, so to say that we didn't emulate the 1961 season simply is not true.
I was born 1947(yes you are correct I am an old fart) and have been supporting SPURS since the age of 8 and went to games both Home and Away, and I was privileged to see The Double Side(Yes it was a privilege), and all of Billy Nick's teams, and for someone who purports to be a Spurs Supporter have the audacity to say that they never emulated the Double side is insulting to say the least, that was the most successful era of our Club and you should be ashamed of yourself for making such statements.
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They haven't emulated it in the sense of recapturing the title. As ugs said; 3 years. Look at all the great teams; Ars*nal, United, City and Chelsea.... for Christ sake, even Blackburn have won the title and others more recently. Our greatest period was between 1961 and 1965 (?); since then we've been in the wilderness. Do those clubs I mentioned go on about their past? No, because they are winning trophies in the future/ now. We talk about the past because we've got nothing else to talk about. We don't want to keep looking backwards to having something to be proud of.
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What are you talking about Voice you have completely lost the plot mate once again you are spouting rubbish just to try and justify your own statement. Ars*nal haven't won anything for 8 years, City have only won since the Shieks took over 5 years ago, Chelsea have not won the title for 5 years and Blackburn that was 1995 !!!!!
You've lost the plot, give and and stop arguing every point because you are making yourself sound like a fool !!!
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What are you talking about Voice you have completely lost the plot mate once again you are spouting rubbish just to try and justify your own statement. Ars*nal haven't won anything for 8 years, City have only won since the Shieks took over 5 years ago, Chelsea have not won the title for 5 years and Blackburn that was 1995 !!!!!
You've lost the plot, give and and stop arguing every point because you are making yourself sound like a fool !!!
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No I haven't. They won the title quite a few times since Spurs last won it and this century. That was my point. United won theirs last season and city before that.
Can't you discuss anything without insults? I wonder if this is allowed in the rules or is it only the privilege few that can insult with immunity?
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If telling you you've lost the plot is insulting then so be it but you have lost the plot!!!
The original post was about AVB removing the heart of the team and not replacing it. Then I posted about 1961 watching the double side of 61 with Dave Mackay in it and you spouted off about them not emulating the success and several of us agreeing that you were wrong. Since then you have spouted absolute rubbish to try and justify your point !!!
Annoying isn't it when someone proves you wrong and you feel you have to try and prove your right to save face !!!!
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If telling you you've lost the plot is insulting then so be it but you have lost the plot!!!
The original post was about AVB removing the heart of the team and not replacing it. Then I posted about 1961 watching the double side of 61 with Dave Mackay in it and you spouted off about them not emulating the success and several of us agreeing that you were wrong. Since then you have spouted absolute rubbish to try and justify your point !!!
Annoying isn't it when someone proves you wrong and you feel you have to try and prove your right to save face !!!!
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And so say all of us!!
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Ugs if our current side were to win the title and 3 cups of any mixture in 3 years I would certainly deem that a success!
Back in the 60's finishing 4th meant nothing. This year I think we would all call it a big success.
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I am not entirely sure what this is all about, but it's getting ugly :hide:
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If telling you you've lost the plot is insulting then so be it but you have lost the plot!!!
Saying I have lost the ‘plot’ is not insulting and I wasn’t referring to that. I was referring to the other language. Using abusive terms confirms that that person has lost the plot; not the person who is being attacked.
The original post was about AVB removing the heart of the team and not replacing it. Then I posted about 1961 watching the double side of 61 with Dave Mackay in it and you spouted off about them not emulating the success and several of us agreeing that you were wrong. Since then you have spouted absolute rubbish to try and justify your point !!!
I have spouted rubbish to you, not everybody. As for ‘several,’ which is an exaggeration, I doubt it. You only see what you want to see. I am on other Spurs forums which have a wider audience and I have only come across one or two (out of hundreds) who share you limited views. Funnily enough one of them is Baldblock, but I will give him credit; when disagreeing with me he doesn’t use low level language to get his points across. He can debate intelligently.
Annoying isn't it when someone proves you wrong and you feel you have to try and prove your right to save face !!!!
I am certainly not annoyed and you certainly haven’t proven anything. In fact you are very isolated. I am on many Spurs forums and I also write Spurs articles for Websites and Apps; and if I was that wrong then I wouldn’t last very long. What is your excuse?
The only quality you seem to have is the use of abuse and insults; luckily for you Admin/ Mods turn a blind eye. If that was me or a newer member then the rules would apply differently. And that is why the membership has dwindled; not because of me.
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I refer you to post 18 in this thread !
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I refer you to post 18 in this thread !
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18 is Paul Finch's posts. But then as you didn't quote me I must presume you were talking to him.
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If telling you you've lost the plot is insulting then so be it but you have lost the plot!!!
Saying I have lost the ‘plot’ is not insulting and I wasn’t referring to that. I was referring to the other language. Using abusive terms confirms that that person has lost the plot; not the person who is being attacked.
The original post was about AVB removing the heart of the team and not replacing it. Then I posted about 1961 watching the double side of 61 with Dave Mackay in it and you spouted off about them not emulating the success and several of us agreeing that you were wrong. Since then you have spouted absolute rubbish to try and justify your point !!!
I have spouted rubbish to you, not everybody. As for ‘several,’ which is an exaggeration, I doubt it. You only see what you want to see. I am on other Spurs forums which have a wider audience and I have only come across one or two (out of hundreds) who share you limited views. Funnily enough one of them is Baldblock, but I will give him credit; when disagreeing with me he doesn’t use low level language to get his points across. He can debate intelligently.
Annoying isn't it when someone proves you wrong and you feel you have to try and prove your right to save face !!!!
I am certainly not annoyed and you certainly haven’t proven anything. In fact you are very isolated. I am on many Spurs forums and I also write Spurs articles for Websites and Apps; and if I was that wrong then I wouldn’t last very long. What is your excuse?
The only quality you seem to have is the use of abuse and insults; luckily for you Admin/ Mods turn a blind eye. If that was me or a newer member then the rules would apply differently. And that is why the membership has dwindled; not because of me.
Cut this sort of crap out its killing this forum or has killed it like a slow eating deadly virus.
To be honest voice why do you feel the need to reply to everything even if it sis just something like I agree which doesnt invite any other input?
This sort of rambling makes to dull reading, is too personal and must bore the shizzer out of the majority.
And please stop mentioning what happens in other bloody forums, we are Spurs Network and this forum used to buzz.
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Up until about 14 months ago this was a fantastic forum with a lot of people contributing, not necessarily always agreeing with each other, it was amusing and interesting, unfortunately since one particular individual decided to join and attempt to high-jack the site, and constantly insult anyone that had the temerity to disagree with him, by breaking down their posts, it has indeed seen a lot of people cease to contribute and leave, which I for one find very sad. I will not name that person, I will leave that to you as individuals to draw your own conclusions.
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Seriously lads, I come to SN after a few days and what do I bloody see?! Voice, please stop replying to each post, let other people voice (pardon the pun) their opinions as well. And other lads, please refrain from posting personal comments about other members. This thread was opened by 1961 to talk about how the money the club got for Bale has been used. Stick to the bloody topic or shut up! I f**king mean it!
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Seriously lads, I come to SN after a few days and what do I bloody see?! Voice, please stop replying to each post, let other people voice (pardon the pun) their opinions as well. And other lads, please refrain from posting personal comments about other members. This thread was opened by 1961 to talk about how the money the club got for Bale has been used. Stick to the bloody topic or shut up! I f**king mean it!
This is a free speaking forum. People can reply to whatever they want. At least I was on here keeping this forum alive; including those that responded.
I also like to add; the reason I responded - if you read back - was because posts were directed at me (as this one, I am replying to now). Ignoring would have been bad manners.
I am pleased with your criticism of personal abuse. There is no need for it and RiffHard is totally right.