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Tottenham Discussion => Spurs Chat => Topic started by: aspursfan on February 14, 2013, 11:56:28 PM
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Who scores from 2 free kicks in one match?
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Someone who can hit the ball very sweetly, a player who is currently the cataylst of our team, the one and only Gareth Bale.
All other teams hands off Bale is THFC!
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I have just had a heated (short) conversation with one of my colleagues, a long standing Man U supporter, the most bias of the worst kind you could ever encountered in your life. So the conversation was mostly about Giggs being the best ever LW player, Bale not being anywhere good enough to clean his boots and Spurs being a one man team etc... which to me sounds like a contradiction in terms. Never mind the fact that Bale is almost 15 years younger and That Giggs is on his way out.. So we stopped here. :tickedoff:
Strange how you can never reason with a Man U fan! jealousy, that's all. :ohyeah:
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I can imagine it would have been like pulling teeth, and of course he would have reminded you that Spurs are not in the Champions League, maybe you should have spat in his one eye in the middle of his forehead.
Christ they are not only the most boring, but also the most uneducated, they don't even speak the Queens English, poor bastards.
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I went to the last two matches and Bale is on fire. He's one of a few top great class players in the world today. Let us hope he can carry on with his fine form.
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I went to the last two matches and Bale is on fire. He's one of a few top great class players in the world today. Let us hope he can carry on with his fine form.
And stay with THFC
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I went to the last two matches and Bale is on fire. He's one of a few top great class players in the world today. Let us hope he can carry on with his fine form.
And stay with THFC
Yes. Spurs have got to build the team around him.
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I don't think we should build our team around him.
1) If he gets injured what do we then do?
2) Hopefully we will keep him nut if he is tempted away what then?
For now play around and to his strengths that is for sure.
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I don't think we should build our team around him.
1) If he gets injured what do we then do?
2) Hopefully we will keep him nut if he is tempted away what then?
For now play around and to his strengths that is for sure.
The trouble is most managers end up building a team around a certain player. I agree with what you are saying and we need a strong team squad.
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I don't think we should build our team around him.
1) If he gets injured what do we then do?
2) Hopefully we will keep him nut if he is tempted away what then?
For now play around and to his strengths that is for sure.
ManU was built around Cristiano Ronaldo who then left and the club is still in the title hunt. So, what I'm saying is that no player is irreplaceable, the question is how quickly he will be replaced. We were in big trouble when Berbatov and Keane left and we ended up Bent. This season we're doing fine despite the fact we sold Modrić and van der Vaart.
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I don't think we should build our team around him.
1) If he gets injured what do we then do?
2) Hopefully we will keep him nut if he is tempted away what then?
For now play around and to his strengths that is for sure.
ManU was built around Cristiano Ronaldo who then left and the club is still in the title hunt. So, what I'm saying is that no player is irreplaceable, the question is how quickly he will be replaced. We were in big trouble when Berbatov and Keane left and we ended up Bent. This season we're doing fine despite the fact we sold Modrić and van der Vaart.
Yes, but this time around we've got a better manager.
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I don't think we should build our team around him.
1) If he gets injured what do we then do?
2) Hopefully we will keep him nut if he is tempted away what then?
For now play around and to his strengths that is for sure.
ManU was built around Cristiano Ronaldo who then left and the club is still in the title hunt. So, what I'm saying is that no player is irreplaceable, the question is how quickly he will be replaced. We were in big trouble when Berbatov and Keane left and we ended up Bent. This season we're doing fine despite the fact we sold Modrić and van der Vaart.
Yes, but this time around we've got a better manager.
Indeed. I think the quality of a manger will determine how he will overcome the loss of his key player(s).
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I don't think we should build our team around him.
1) If he gets injured what do we then do?
2) Hopefully we will keep him nut if he is tempted away what then?
For now play around and to his strengths that is for sure.
ManU was built around Cristiano Ronaldo who then left and the club is still in the title hunt. So, what I'm saying is that no player is irreplaceable, the question is how quickly he will be replaced. We were in big trouble when Berbatov and Keane left and we ended up Bent. This season we're doing fine despite the fact we sold Modrić and van der Vaart.
Yes, but this time around we've got a better manager.
Indeed. I think the quality of a manger will determine how he will overcome the loss of his key player(s).
Can't argue with that.
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Rumours about Bale leaving in the summer are rife, but for the moment he is still with and when we do qualify for the CL, I would hope that he would want to stay and it will be up to Levy to resist pocketing the £50M to keep him for another year or 2.
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Theres no denying the talent the lad has, Let hope we can hold on to him for a while yet. But I think whether we do or not is pretty simple, If he continues at his current level but we as a team do not start challenging and winning trophies then Bale will be off soon rather than later.
Lets hope his form at the moment can push us in to a top 4 places, but hopefully other can push on so that we are not so relient on Bale. Lennon has had some good performances, hopefully he can push on a level too. Ade needs to up his game big time. I like him as a striker and I feel he does a lot of the donkey work such as chasing down defenders but his goal return has to improve. With 11-12 games to go, if he can grab 8 goals from now till the end of the season I think that will be enough to put us in the top 4.
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I am sure he will stay, more so if we finish in the top 4 and are in Europe.
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I am sure he will stay, more so if we finish in the top 4 and are in Europe.
The problem is, I think, that he is on around 80 - 100 K. Now lets suppose that any one of the top European sides, or Man Utd / City come in with a 50 million offer, and give him a 4 year deal on 200 K, which is a distinct possibility, then what will be the outcome ?
Our one and only hope is CL football next year, resist the 50 mill, give him a big pay rise, and spend another 50 mill instead to bring in the quality we need to tempt Bale to stay.
Do we have that kind of ambition ? Probably not.
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Do we have that kind of ambition ? Probably not.
I think we have the ambition to succeed, but lack the finance to be able to do anything about it at top level.
Spending that kind of money sets precedents which, should we fail to secure a CL spot every season, would be impossible to maintain for our club under its present form.
Our club hasn't won anything of any value for years and it would take a complete turn around of strategy from our chairman in terms of expenditure to be in a position to compete for a top 2 spot. I think we know this will never happen until we secure additional major funds.
We also have to fund a new stadium costing millions. So, the questions are:
Which one come first: raising our existing players salaries and getting new ones at high buying costs or remain in our present position until the new stadium is complete without going deep in the red?
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Do we have that kind of ambition ? Probably not.
I disagree, but it is also down to finance. I was reading an article or update on the new stadium and it said that one of the reasons of building a bigger stadium is so that they can compete with the likes of Ars*nal, United, City and Chelsea and I agree. I have no doubt that Levy is ambitious for Spurs, however, he has to work within realist means. Saying all that Spurs have done well over the last couple of seasons and I see (and hope) that with AVB we can build on that. But only time will tell. Until we can observe more we should back the board, manager and players.
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Do we have that kind of ambition ? Probably not.
I think we have the ambition to succeed, but lack the finance to be able to do anything about it at top level.
Spending that kind of money sets precedents which, should we fail to secure a CL spot every season, would be impossible to maintain for our club under its present form.
Our club hasn't won anything of any value for years and it would take a complete turn around of strategy from our chairman in terms of expenditure to be in a position to compete for a top 2 spot. I think we know this will never happen until we secure additional major funds.
We also have to fund a new stadium costing millions. So, the questions are:
Which one come first: raising our existing players salaries and getting new ones at high buying costs or remain in our present position until the new stadium is complete without going deep in the red?
What is important is that we get a new, bigger and modern stadium. At the same time we've got to continue our momentum. A juggling act is needed.
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Do we have that kind of ambition ? Probably not.
I think we have the ambition to succeed, but lack the finance to be able to do anything about it at top level.
Spending that kind of money sets precedents which, should we fail to secure a CL spot every season, would be impossible to maintain for our club under its present form.
Our club hasn't won anything of any value for years and it would take a complete turn around of strategy from our chairman in terms of expenditure to be in a position to compete for a top 2 spot. I think we know this will never happen until we secure additional major funds.
We also have to fund a new stadium costing millions. So, the questions are:
Which one come first: raising our existing players salaries and getting new ones at high buying costs or remain in our present position until the new stadium is complete without going deep in the red?
What is important is that we get a new, bigger and modern stadium. At the same time we've got to continue our momentum. A juggling act is needed.
Personally I have always supported AVB and I think he is doing a good job. One area that we seem to go wrong in again and again is the purchase of players for 5 - 15 million at a time who for one reason or another dont work out. Its a very long list over the last 10 or 15 years. The latest ones being Dempsey and Adebayor, we still seem to be making these mistakes.
Hopefully Holtby will be an example of a new direction with our scouting, maybe the arrival of Steffan Freund has opened up a new channel there.
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Voice,
In one breath you say that Spurs have been doing well the last few seasons, and we have to continue our momentum, which were under one H Redknapp, and in the next you say that he(H Redknapp) was a crap coach and had taken the Club as far as he could, with, I hasten to add, little or no help from Mr Levy. You can't have it both ways. You expect everyone to back the board when it is clear that they(the board) are not prepared to back the Manager(whether it be AVB now or Harry previously) by investing in new players(by that I mean quality players) to strengthen our squad so that we can compete with the so-called elite teams and in doing so retain our Star players eg. Gareth Bale.
Personally I think that if we are to become what we all want, and that is for Spurs to become a major player in the Domestic and European Competitions, that it is time for Levy to employ someone else to do the transfer negotiations and take a back seat, because clearly he is not up to it, and by that I mean he is adding players, whilst not necessarily buying players that are improving and strengthening the squad.
:nope: :nope: :nope:
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Do we have that kind of ambition ? Probably not.
I think we have the ambition to succeed, but lack the finance to be able to do anything about it at top level.
Spending that kind of money sets precedents which, should we fail to secure a CL spot every season, would be impossible to maintain for our club under its present form.
Our club hasn't won anything of any value for years and it would take a complete turn around of strategy from our chairman in terms of expenditure to be in a position to compete for a top 2 spot. I think we know this will never happen until we secure additional major funds.
We also have to fund a new stadium costing millions. So, the questions are:
Which one come first: raising our existing players salaries and getting new ones at high buying costs or remain in our present position until the new stadium is complete without going deep in the red?
What is important is that we get a new, bigger and modern stadium. At the same time we've got to continue our momentum. A juggling act is needed.
Personally I have always supported AVB and I think he is doing a good job. One area that we seem to go wrong in again and again is the purchase of players for 5 - 15 million at a time who for one reason or another dont work out. Its a very long list over the last 10 or 15 years. The latest ones being Dempsey and Adebayor, we still seem to be making these mistakes.
Hopefully Holtby will be an example of a new direction with our scouting, maybe the arrival of Steffan Freund has opened up a new channel there.
I think people are being unfair on Dempsey. He joined last summer, has mostly been played out of position and so far has scored 8 goals for us. Some of these goals have been crucial. Only Bale (17) and Defoe (14) have scored more. It seems that Dempsey is just another player who simply cannot do right. Darren Bent was another one, bloody hell, even the manager patronized him. And Crouch... anyway, there have always been players who for Spurs fans are 'not good enough'.
And we're not the only ones who make transfers that don't quite work out. That risk is always there and there have been much higher-profile players who have flopped at different clubs for different reasons.
PS I'm yet to understand what they mean by good enough.
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Do we have that kind of ambition ? Probably not.
I think we have the ambition to succeed, but lack the finance to be able to do anything about it at top level.
Spending that kind of money sets precedents which, should we fail to secure a CL spot every season, would be impossible to maintain for our club under its present form.
Our club hasn't won anything of any value for years and it would take a complete turn around of strategy from our chairman in terms of expenditure to be in a position to compete for a top 2 spot. I think we know this will never happen until we secure additional major funds.
We also have to fund a new stadium costing millions. So, the questions are:
Which one come first: raising our existing players salaries and getting new ones at high buying costs or remain in our present position until the new stadium is complete without going deep in the red?
What is important is that we get a new, bigger and modern stadium. At the same time we've got to continue our momentum. A juggling act is needed.
Personally I have always supported AVB and I think he is doing a good job. One area that we seem to go wrong in again and again is the purchase of players for 5 - 15 million at a time who for one reason or another dont work out. Its a very long list over the last 10 or 15 years. The latest ones being Dempsey and Adebayor, we still seem to be making these mistakes.
Hopefully Holtby will be an example of a new direction with our scouting, maybe the arrival of Steffan Freund has opened up a new channel there.
I think people are being unfair on Dempsey. He joined last summer, has mostly been played out of position and so far has scored 8 goals for us. Some of these goals have been crucial. Only Bale (17) and Defoe (14) have scored more. It seems that Dempsey is just another player who simply cannot do right. Darren Bent was another one, bloody hell, even the manager patronized him. And Crouch... anyway, there have always been players who for Spurs fans are 'not good enough'.
And we're not the only ones who make transfers that don't quite work out. That risk is always there and there have been much higher-profile players who have flopped at different clubs for different reasons.
PS I'm yet to understand what they mean by good enough.
I would classify good enough as in good enough to have a chance of getting into the teams of the current top 3, as that is where we aspire to be.
This excludes Darren Bent and Clint Dempsey.
Our current players who fall in that category IMO are Lloris and Bale, and then possibly Walker, Verthonghen, Lennon, Dembele, Sandro.
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Voice,
In one breath you say that Spurs have been doing well the last few seasons, and we have to continue our momentum, which were under one H Redknapp, and in the next you say that he(H Redknapp) was a crap coach and had taken the Club as far as he could, with, I hasten to add, little or no help from Mr Levy. You can't have it both ways.
Yes I can. First of all I didn’t say he was a crap coach, but I did say he took us as far as he coul go. Redknapp was brought in for a reason; and he did a good job. Now we must move on and I think we can do that with AVB (from what I’ve seen so far).
You expect everyone to back the board when it is clear that they(the board) are not prepared to back the Manager(whether it be AVB now or Harry previously) by investing in new players(by that I mean quality players) to strengthen our squad so that we can compete with the so-called elite teams and in doing so retain our Star players eg. Gareth Bale.
And what proof have you got that Mr Levy hasn’t backed AVB? He bought players that Harry wanted; the last season was different as he knew Harry was going to go so wasn’t prepared to waste money (and I agree with that). As for this season; AVB, himself said that he didn’t want any more players; even though Mr Levy tried to buy another striker. AVB said he was happy with his squad. Whether this squad is sufficient or not only time will tell; which will be at the end of the season. That is the real test, not half way through a season; a half way season I might add where we are sitting 4th and a point behind third place and not far off Second place.
As for Gareth Bale; he is still here and hasn’t been told. Don’t be gullible and believe everything you read in the papers.
Personally I think that if we are to become what we all want, and that is for Spurs to become a major player in the Domestic and European Competitions, that it is time for Levy to employ someone else to do the transfer negotiations and take a back seat, because clearly he is not up to it, and by that I mean he is adding players, whilst not necessarily buying players that are improving and strengthening the squad.
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As I said to you before and here; what decides whether he has made a right decision or not is what our position will be at the end of the season. Granted Mr Levy has made mistakes in the past (i.e. appointing some crap managers) but over the last couple of years he has made some good decisions. Saying all that we do need more money to come into the club and building a new club will help.
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I would classify good enough as in good enough to have a chance of getting into the teams of the current top 3, as that is where we aspire to be.
This excludes Darren Bent and Clint Dempsey.
Our current players who fall in that category IMO are Lloris and Bale, and then possibly Walker, Verthonghen, Lennon, Dembele, Sandro.
To that list I would add Parker(even at his age) kaboul (when fit) Dawson and dare I say Holtby, who, if not yet, will no doubt become one of our better players.
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I would classify good enough as in good enough to have a chance of getting into the teams of the current top 3, as that is where we aspire to be.
This excludes Darren Bent and Clint Dempsey.
Our current players who fall in that category IMO are Lloris and Bale, and then possibly Walker, Verthonghen, Lennon, Dembele, Sandro.
To that list I would add Parker(even at his age) kaboul (when fit) Dawson and dare I say Holtby, who, if not yet, will no doubt become one of our better players.
For me Sandro gets the nod ahead of Parker, and agree with Kaboul ( if he comes back as good as last season ) and Holtby. He looks a gem at 1.5 mill.
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I would classify good enough as in good enough to have a chance of getting into the teams of the current top 3, as that is where we aspire to be.
This excludes Darren Bent and Clint Dempsey.
Our current players who fall in that category IMO are Lloris and Bale, and then possibly Walker, Verthonghen, Lennon, Dembele, Sandro.
To that list I would add Parker(even at his age) kaboul (when fit) Dawson and dare I say Holtby, who, if not yet, will no doubt become one of our better players.
For me Sandro gets the nod ahead of Parker, and agree with Kaboul ( if he comes back as good as last season ) and Holtby. He looks a gem at 1.5 mill.
I would also add BAE there arent many LB better than him in the EPL and since his return from injury he is looking like the player he was last season.
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People, please, don't get all personal again. This thread is supposed to be about Gareth Bale. Harry Redknapp has been the manager of QPR for four months now and hasn't been our manager since June? Why are you people still talking about him?
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Cant we just stick to debating and sharing opinions instead of attacks on others??????? :tickedoff: :tickedoff: :tickedoff:
This type of thing is wrecking this site and no doubt the route cause for certain past regulars no longer posting !!!
Hell I am getting fed up with discussing HR thats way in the past now so why why is that still being brought up, old ground or what, in addition to the personal crap that keeps going on talk about BORING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :tickedoff: :tickedoff: :tickedoff: :tickedoff:
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So, what did you think of Bale's performance yesterday? I think he looked somewhat jaded. As did the rest of the midfield.
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We didnt impact at all on Lyon as I thought we would, i often find that when the team has a break our first game back is poo.
Luckily we had a spot of brilliance from Dembele that put us through, for me though the main priority has to be the EPL and finishing well within the top 4.
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I thought the whole team were rubbish in the 1st half. Walker seemed to lose the plot, and their winger did his best to get him sent off. Poor defending for their goal, once again. After that, Lyon didn't want to plat at all. They sat deep with 2 banks of 4 and we were unable to get near their goal. Parker and Dembele were very sloppy with their passing, Lennon was nowhere to be found, Adebayor asleep again. Holtby looked bright again in 1st half, but tired later I thought. Because Bale was central we had no width at all. Friedal looked rusty I thought, no surprise really.
I dont know what AVB said at half time, but we looked much better in 2nd half. With BAE pushing forward, and and even Ade seemed to be slightly better. What a goal !! if only Dembele could do this sort of thing more often, its almost as if he never had the confidence to burst through and shoot like that until the game was all but over and no risk. Lets hope its the beginning of something good for him.
On that note, I think the important thing was that we didn't get beaten, which is a good habit to form. Our players would have returned home deflated had we got knocked out, whereas now they should be all fired up for the game at West Ham. Also 2 games against Inter to come, all in all a good day for us I believe.
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I thought Spurs overall performance was good. They were a much better team than Lyon. They deserved their win. I agree with the manager; if Spurs can beat Inter Milan there is no reason why we can't go all the way.
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I find it so disrespectful to Spurs when people are saying that Bale would fit in at Real Madrid, Barcelona or ManU. Yes, they are bigger clubs, but we're not third tier outfits ourselves. All these pundits, managers and journalists should just try to shut up and stop unsettling our prize asset.
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I find it so disrespectful to Spurs when people are saying that Bale would fit in at Real Madrid, Barcelona or ManU. Yes, they are bigger clubs, but we're not third tier outfits ourselves. All these pundits, managers and journalists should just try to shut up and stop unsettling our prize asset.
Thats the annoying thing media pundits and other "pros" seem to always treat us like we are a lesser club and when we have players who light up the footi stage they always talk about fitting in and moves to the "big" glory clubs.
I am sure the players and team mates find such talk unsettling that is only natural.
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I find it so disrespectful to Spurs when people are saying that Bale would fit in at Real Madrid, Barcelona or ManU. Yes, they are bigger clubs, but we're not third tier outfits ourselves. All these pundits, managers and journalists should just try to shut up and stop unsettling our prize asset.
Thats the annoying thing media pundits and other "pros" seem to always treat us like we are a lesser club and when we have players who light up the footi stage they always talk about fitting in and moves to the "big" glory clubs.
I am sure the players and team mates find such talk unsettling that is only natural.
I think it is a time-lag thing - they still live in a World where we are mid-table, while Liverpool are nailed-on for CL qualification. Things have changed...radically. We have the best youth set-up in England (according to no less than Liam Brady), with multiple exciting prospects, a state-of-the-art training centre, an exciting young squad, a new and greatly increased capacity stadium underway, innovative club relationships, a first-rate (IMHO, anyway) young coach, a chairman as shrewd as they come, and have finsihed 4th, 5th, 4th and are currently third. Maybe if we keep this going for another 4 - 5 years they will catch up with the new reality ::)
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I find it so disrespectful to Spurs when people are saying that Bale would fit in at Real Madrid, Barcelona or ManU. Yes, they are bigger clubs, but we're not third tier outfits ourselves. All these pundits, managers and journalists should just try to shut up and stop unsettling our prize asset.
Thats the annoying thing media pundits and other "pros" seem to always treat us like we are a lesser club and when we have players who light up the footi stage they always talk about fitting in and moves to the "big" glory clubs.
I am sure the players and team mates find such talk unsettling that is only natural.
I think it is a time-lag thing - they still live in a World where we are mid-table, while Liverpool are nailed-on for CL qualification. Things have changed...radically. We have the best youth set-up in England (according to no less than Liam Brady), with multiple exciting prospects, a state-of-the-art training centre, an exciting young squad, a new and greatly increased capacity stadium underway, innovative club relationships, a first-rate (IMHO, anyway) young coach, a chairman as shrewd as they come, and have finsihed 4th, 5th, 4th and are currently third. Maybe if we keep this going for another 4 - 5 years they will catch up with the new reality ::)
Good points, one way or the other we are on the up.
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Jealousy comes into this in a big way. Today Rio Bale found it difficult to compliment Bale which I find quite sad as he left him standing on a couple of occasions this season. I dare say that if Bale was at ManU, he would have been the best winger on the planet!
We are a big club yet if compared with BM, RM, Barca etc, but we are certainly not minnows and if we can keep up our present form as someone just mentioned we could be there in 3/4 years time.
This coming game against the Arse at the Lane is an absolute must win in order to raise our present status. If we lose or draw... well you know what will happen!
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I find it so disrespectful to Spurs when people are saying that Bale would fit in at Real Madrid, Barcelona or ManU. Yes, they are bigger clubs, but we're not third tier outfits ourselves. All these pundits, managers and journalists should just try to shut up and stop unsettling our prize asset.
Thats the annoying thing media pundits and other "pros" seem to always treat us like we are a lesser club and when we have players who light up the footi stage they always talk about fitting in and moves to the "big" glory clubs.
I am sure the players and team mates find such talk unsettling that is only natural.
I think it is a time-lag thing - they still live in a World where we are mid-table, while Liverpool are nailed-on for CL qualification. Things have changed...radically. We have the best youth set-up in England (according to no less than Liam Brady), with multiple exciting prospects, a state-of-the-art training centre, an exciting young squad, a new and greatly increased capacity stadium underway, innovative club relationships, a first-rate (IMHO, anyway) young coach, a chairman as shrewd as they come, and have finsihed 4th, 5th, 4th and are currently third. Maybe if we keep this going for another 4 - 5 years they will catch up with the new reality ::)
Good points, one way or the other we are on the up.
We have an exciting young squad, that's for sure - but I am, if anything, more excited by what is going on in the youth set-up :up:
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I find it so disrespectful to Spurs when people are saying that Bale would fit in at Real Madrid, Barcelona or ManU. Yes, they are bigger clubs, but we're not third tier outfits ourselves. All these pundits, managers and journalists should just try to shut up and stop unsettling our prize asset.
Thats the annoying thing media pundits and other "pros" seem to always treat us like we are a lesser club and when we have players who light up the footi stage they always talk about fitting in and moves to the "big" glory clubs.
I am sure the players and team mates find such talk unsettling that is only natural.
I think it is a time-lag thing - they still live in a World where we are mid-table, while Liverpool are nailed-on for CL qualification. Things have changed...radically. We have the best youth set-up in England (according to no less than Liam Brady), with multiple exciting prospects, a state-of-the-art training centre, an exciting young squad, a new and greatly increased capacity stadium underway, innovative club relationships, a first-rate (IMHO, anyway) young coach, a chairman as shrewd as they come, and have finsihed 4th, 5th, 4th and are currently third. Maybe if we keep this going for another 4 - 5 years they will catch up with the new reality ::)
Good points, one way or the other we are on the up.
We have an exciting young squad, that's for sure - but I am, if anything, more excited by what is going on in the youth set-up :up:
As we stand at the moment the future looks bright.