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Title: Tottenham v Stoke
Post by: Biggs on December 22, 2012, 10:20:02 AM
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Title: Re: Tottenham v Stoke
Post by: RiffHard on December 22, 2012, 05:42:53 PM
Bummer, I hate 0:0 games. On a good note, we didn't concede.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Stoke
Post by: ugs on December 23, 2012, 01:29:38 PM
On a bad note that was possibly our strongest side with the exception of maybe Kaboul and we couldn't beat a bunch of long ball cloggers at home !!!!!!!
 
And just to add salt to the wound we are behind the Woolwich Wanderers, as usual, even when they have had there worse start to a Prem season under Mr Whinger, and I suppose we still all need to give AVB time and allow him to cock things up further !!!
 
The way things are going Liverpool we be in front of us after the Christmas period !!!!
 
Go on tell me I'm a doom and gloomer I really don't care anymore I've seen enough in a poor Premier League that really only has 2 teams competing we are just another also run team with a poor manager, time to take off your rose tinted glasses and see it how it really is we are going backwards people !!!!
 
 :'(
Title: Re: Tottenham v Stoke
Post by: Glenn R on December 23, 2012, 05:09:15 PM
I thought Spurs defended well and had most of the play. We were up against one of the meanest defences in the league. Over all we were a better side. I did say that I thought that over the Christmas period Stoke would be our toughest match (even though I also said we would win).
Title: Re: Tottenham v Stoke
Post by: spursjoolz on December 23, 2012, 07:33:13 PM
UGS
Why don't you just F. off an go support Ars*nal instead!
c*ntz like you have no place on this forum!!!

Title: Re: Tottenham v Stoke
Post by: ugs on December 23, 2012, 07:38:44 PM
UGS
Why don't you just F. off an go support Ars*nal instead!
c*ntz like you have no place on this forum!!!



Uncalled for Joolz, just because I don't share you views and rose tinted glasses there is no need to result to that kind of language, have I touched a nerve !!!!!
 
 

Forums are about opinions and that is mine, I'm sorry you don't agree but I'm not a Woolwich Wanderers fan I am a Spurs fan that has supported my club through thick and thin for 40 years, and I am not going to stop or change my opinions for you or anyone else !!!
 
 :(
Title: Re: Tottenham v Stoke
Post by: Glenn R on December 23, 2012, 09:25:39 PM
UGS
Why don't you just F. off an go support Ars*nal instead!
c*ntz like you have no place on this forum!!!



Uncalled for Joolz, just because I don't share you views and rose tinted glasses there is no need to result to that kind of language, have I touched a nerve !!!!!
 
 

Forums are about opinions and that is mine, I'm sorry you don't agree but I'm not a Woolwich Wanderers fan I am a Spurs fan that has supported my club through thick and thin for 40 years, and I am not going to stop or change my opinions for you or anyone else !!!
 
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To be fair you come over a certain way. I am new here but was shocked when I joined this forum and so-many so called Spurs fans being so anti-Spurs (instead of getting behind the team). I did think that Ars*nal supporters had managed to join this forum.

As for rose tinted glasses. You said that before. How do you work that out? All managers should be given the chance and you are not going to achieve great results in one sitting. Any manager or somebody more knowledgeable about sport will tell you that. That is not wearing rose tinted glasses but being fair and understanding how football works. AVB is building a team and at the moment we are in a good position. Nobody is wearing rose tinted glasses other than you over Harry.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Stoke
Post by: ugs on December 23, 2012, 11:31:34 PM
First of all Voice I am not Anti Spurs, but Anti AVB yes !!!
 
I do not accept that we are doing well, we are 5th and going backwards with less points than last season and playing a brand of football that does not fit this club. I was willing to give AVB a chance, didn't have much choice really seeing as I cannot influence Daniel Levy, but I have seen nothing to make me think we are improving. How many more times do we have to fail in a poor league before we all start to realise that AVB just dosen't have it, nice bloke mumbles a bit but to manage our club ..... sorry just not good enough !!!
 
 :nope:
Title: Re: Tottenham v Stoke
Post by: spursjoolz on December 23, 2012, 11:52:23 PM


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Uncalled for Joolz, just because I don't share you views and rose tinted glasses there is no need to result to that kind of language, have I touched a nerve !!!!!
 
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How could you possibly have a touched nerve? You have been posting the same old, same old crap since the beginning of the season.

I usually stay well clear of trolls like you disguised a Spurs fans. I have had a moment of weakness today, but I can assure you that it will not happen again.

There are real supporters here and you are not one of them.

Title: Re: Tottenham v Stoke
Post by: ugs on December 24, 2012, 12:06:29 AM

 
Uncalled for Joolz, just because I don't share you views and rose tinted glasses there is no need to result to that kind of language, have I touched a nerve !!!!!
 
 

How could you possibly have a touched nerve? You have been posting the same old, same old crap since the beginning of the season.

I usually stay well clear of trolls like you disguised a Spurs fans. I have had a moment of weakness today, but I can assure you that it will not happen again.

There are real supporters here and you are not one of them.



 
So it bothers you not that the Woolwich Wanderers are now above us after the start to the season they have had and the fact that Chelski have sacked their manager (again) and they are still above us, we are 9 points worse off and 2 places worse off than last season and that dosen't bother you... yes their are real supporters here and we are hurting !!!!
 
 :'(
Title: Re: Tottenham v Stoke
Post by: spursjoolz on December 24, 2012, 12:40:57 AM
Of course it bothers me, particularly with the gooners above us, yet again! but it does not mean I should not give my support to our manager.

We all agree that he is not doing a brilliant job, but he deserves our support and this I will continue to give until proven otherwise> We are not there yet.

Let's see what happens at Villa Park on boxing day

Title: Re: Tottenham v Stoke
Post by: Paul Finch on December 24, 2012, 10:18:06 AM
At last joolz you have admitted that AVB isn't doing a brilliant job, this is exactly what a lot of us have said, and have been branded as Doom and Gloomers, and Trolls by yourself on quite few occasions. I like ugs have supported Spurs for many, many years through thick and thin, when we were relegated in the 70's it did not stop me from travelling to watch my beloved team and give them my FULL support, I, like a lot of Spurs Supporters do not like the brand of Football that we are serving up at the moment, or the direction that we are taking, it concerns us, that does not make us Trolls or Doom and Gloomers, what it does do is show that we really do care for our Club and its future.


 :ohyeah: :ohyeah: :ohyeah:
Title: Re: Tottenham v Stoke
Post by: ugs on December 24, 2012, 10:26:22 AM
At last joolz you have admitted that AVB isn't doing a brilliant job, this is exactly what a lot of us have said, and have been branded as Doom and Gloomers, and Trolls by yourself on quite few occasions. I like ugs have supported Spurs for many, many years through thick and thin, when we were relegated in the 70's it did not stop me from travelling to watch my beloved team and give them my FULL support, I, like a lot of Spurs Supporters do not like the brand of Football that we are serving up at the moment, or the direction that we are taking, it concerns us, that does not make us Trolls or Doom and Gloomers, what it does do is show that we really do care for our Club and its future.


 :ohyeah: :ohyeah: :ohyeah:

Thank you Mr finch for putting it in such an eloquant manner !!
 
 :up:
Title: Re: Tottenham v Stoke
Post by: Glenn R on December 24, 2012, 10:54:28 AM
First of all Voice I am not Anti Spurs, but Anti AVB yes !!!
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But why are you anti AVB? I think because Chelsea influenced you in that. Instead of making your own mind up. If Spurs had brought him first I bet you would be saying something totally different now. Whether he is good for the club or not he needs time, like all new managers do. For Christ sake he's only been in the job about six months and in that time has had to deal with new players, players that were sold and injuries. Taking all that into consideration he is doing a brilliant job.
 
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I do not accept that we are doing well, we are 5th and going backwards with less points than last season and playing a brand of football that does not fit this club. I was willing to give AVB a chance, didn't have much choice really seeing as I cannot influence Daniel Levy, but I have seen nothing to make me think we are improving. How many more times do we have to fail in a poor league before we all start to realise that AVB just dosen't have it, nice bloke mumbles a bit but to manage our club ..... sorry just not good enough !!!
 
 :nope:

We are joint 4th. I am glad that you can't influence Levy or otherwise we probably would be relegated now and struggling in the Conference League (ok, maybe Championship league).
Title: Re: Tottenham v Stoke
Post by: Glenn R on December 24, 2012, 10:57:21 AM
At last joolz you have admitted that AVB isn't doing a brilliant job, this is exactly what a lot of us have said, and have been branded as Doom and Gloomers, and Trolls by yourself on quite few occasions. I like ugs have supported Spurs for many, many years through thick and thin, when we were relegated in the 70's it did not stop me from travelling to watch my beloved team and give them my FULL support, I, like a lot of Spurs Supporters do not like the brand of Football that we are serving up at the moment, or the direction that we are taking, it concerns us, that does not make us Trolls or Doom and Gloomers, what it does do is show that we really do care for our Club and its future.


 :ohyeah: :ohyeah: :ohyeah:

I would say that AVB is doing a brilliant job under the conditions; as I pointed out above. To know how good he really is he needs time. I am quite happy to admit he was a failure, but not yet. He need time, as I have constantly said.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Stoke
Post by: spursjoolz on December 24, 2012, 01:47:48 PM
I never said that AVB was or was not doing a brilliant job. What I have always done is given him my full support unlike some of you who had him executed from day one.

I am far happier with him than with Harry even if we are 4 points adrift on last year. This is a long term support, not a gap fill situtaion and I hope AVB remains our manager for manby years to come.

 :up:
Title: Re: Tottenham v Stoke
Post by: spursjoolz on December 24, 2012, 01:54:25 PM
Am I to assume that Harry did a brilliant job and got a couple of thophies along the way? Nope.

Well AVB is doing just as well and  given the right support, he will do far better than Harry could have possibly ever achieved if he had stayed with us another 5 years.

AVB is our future and that's all there is to it.

 :grin:
Title: Re: Tottenham v Stoke
Post by: Glenn R on December 24, 2012, 03:19:51 PM
The above two posts are good posts.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Stoke
Post by: Paul Finch on December 24, 2012, 11:10:37 PM
They are only good posts because he agrees with you voice, and incidentally I did not have him executed from day one, what I did say however was that whilst I did not agree with the appointment that I would reserve my judgement, and I repeat I DO NOT LIKE THE STYLE OF PLAY WE ARE SERVING UP, I like most, want us to be entertaining and successful, and at the moment we are neither.

 :nods: :nods:
Title: Re: Tottenham v Stoke
Post by: Glenn R on December 25, 2012, 10:16:43 AM
They are only good posts because he agrees with you voice, and incidentally I did not have him executed from day one, what I did say however was that whilst I did not agree with the appointment that I would reserve my judgement, and I repeat I DO NOT LIKE THE STYLE OF PLAY WE ARE SERVING UP, I like most, want us to be entertaining and successful, and at the moment we are neither.

 :nods: :nods:

That is true. All posts are actually good; whether we agree with them or not. But I did mean it in the way you said.

You say you "didn't agree with his appointment". Why? Because he was sacked by Chelsea? Chelsea sack everybody. Because of this statement your opinions will always be clouded and your comments unfair.

I would also like Spurs to play entertaining football, but our priority is to win matches and be constantly in the top 4 and then win trophies. That is his priority. Entertainment will or should be a second consideration.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Stoke
Post by: Paul Finch on December 26, 2012, 07:46:40 AM
They are only good posts because he agrees with you voice, and incidentally I did not have him executed from day one, what I did say however was that whilst I did not agree with the appointment that I would reserve my judgement, and I repeat I DO NOT LIKE THE STYLE OF PLAY WE ARE SERVING UP, I like most, want us to be entertaining and successful, and at the moment we are neither.

 :nods: :nods:

That is true. All posts are actually good; whether we agree with them or not. But I did mean it in the way you said.

You say you "didn't agree with his appointment". Why? Because he was sacked by Chelsea? Chelsea sack everybody. Because of this statement your opinions will always be clouded and your comments unfair.

I would also like Spurs to play entertaining football, but our priority is to win matches and be constantly in the top 4 and then win trophies. That is his priority. Entertainment will or should be a second consideration.




    I have never stated that my reason for "disagreeing with the appointment" were because he was sacked by Chelsea, so how can you possibly state that my opinions be clouded and my comments unfair, I never liked him or his methods even before he was at Chelsea, in fact when they appointed him, I laughed and said to a mate of mine that we would now see the start of the demise of Chelsea, and that he would not last long there, how right I was, so when it was mentioned that he was a chance of getting the job with Spurs, I was astounded to say the least, in fact when my mate told me, I thought he was having a lend of me.


    As for winning trophies every newly appointed coach says that when they are first appointed and very few achieve it, or even come close to it for that matter, so his statement had a bit of a hollow ring to it. We shall see, but I for one will not be holding my breath!!!




 :nope: :nope: :nope:



Title: Re: Tottenham v Stoke
Post by: Paul Finch on December 26, 2012, 07:58:20 AM
Voice,
       Please do not insinuate that I made a comment such as "because he was sacked by Chelsea",  had you have read my post it is quite clear that I did not say that at all. What I did say was that I would reserve my judgement and I reiterate that as is my right.


 :nods: :nods: :nods:
Title: Re: Tottenham v Stoke
Post by: Glenn R on December 27, 2012, 05:31:08 PM

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    I have never stated that my reason for "disagreeing with the appointment" were because he was sacked by Chelsea, so how can you possibly state that my opinions be clouded and my comments unfair, I never liked him or his methods even before he was at Chelsea, in fact when they appointed him, I laughed and said to a mate of mine that we would now see the start of the demise of Chelsea, and that he would not last long there, how right I was, so when it was mentioned that he was a chance of getting the job with Spurs, I was astounded to say the least, in fact when my mate told me, I thought he was having a lend of me.
You can’t say Chelsea would decline under him and did. He said himself that it would take a while to build a better side. The foundations that won the European Cup were set by him. He was never given enough time to show his credentials. As for you being right; we’ve only got your word with that; being clever after the fact.


 
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  As for winning trophies every newly appointed coach says that when they are first appointed and very few achieve it, or even come close to it for that matter, so his statement had a bit of a hollow ring to it. We shall see, but I for one will not be holding my breath!!

 :nope: :nope: :nope:

As you said; “We will see” and we will.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Stoke
Post by: Glenn R on December 27, 2012, 05:32:03 PM
Voice,
       Please do not insinuate that I made a comment such as "because he was sacked by Chelsea",  had you have read my post it is quite clear that I did not say that at all. What I did say was that I would reserve my judgement and I reiterate that as is my right.


 :nods: :nods: :nods:

By the way you wrote your post I drew those conclusions. My mind hasn't been changed.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Stoke
Post by: Paul Finch on December 27, 2012, 09:44:37 PM
Yes I wrote my post and nowhere in that post does it say my reason for disagreeing with his appointment was because he was sacked by Chelsea, clearly you read into things, and draw the conclusions that suit you and your argument, just goes too prove that you are only on this site too create conflict.


 :nods: :nods: :nods:
Title: Re: Tottenham v Stoke
Post by: Paul Finch on December 27, 2012, 09:53:35 PM
Well Voice he didn't last long there did he, so I was proved right, and as for him laying the foundations for their CL win, who gave you that snippet of information your best mate Abramovic, or is that another conclusion that you drew whilst discussing it down the Pub.


 :up: :up: :up:
Title: Re: Tottenham v Stoke
Post by: Glenn R on December 27, 2012, 09:58:20 PM
Yes I wrote my post and nowhere in that post does it say my reason for disagreeing with his appointment was because he was sacked by Chelsea, clearly you read into things, and draw the conclusions that suit you and your argument, just goes too prove that you are only on this site too create conflict.


 :nods: :nods: :nods:

How do you work that out? Because you disagree with me doesn't mean I am here as you said. You are drawing your conclusions - on my supposedly motives - because I am or was getting close to the truth (a possible suggestion).

I am here to learn and debate, agree or disagree and not create conflict. Granted when discussing various situations it is possible that the person who is under the spot light will see it as conflict to spare their plushes.. As you stated; you didn't give your motive. Therefore I played Sherlock Holmes and drew my conclusion on various things you said, your dislike of AVB and your head looking into Spurs past. Of course my conclusions could be wrong, but I doubt it. You will never admit I was right, even if I was right.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Stoke
Post by: Glenn R on December 27, 2012, 10:03:09 PM
Well Voice he didn't last long there did he, so I was proved right, and as for him laying the foundations for their CL win, who gave you that snippet of information your best mate Abramovic, or is that another conclusion that you drew whilst discussing it down the Pub.


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To be honest; anybody who understands football and knows about Chelsea could have made the same predictions as you. I can say the same about any future Chelsea manager. It doesn't take a genius, just somebody who is clever to work out no manager will last long at Chelsea.

As for who gave me this snippet of information? It is not as mysterious as you think. It was in every national Newspaper (British). I am, however, presuming it wasn't in Australian Newspapers? That is if you read Australian Newspapers to know it wasn't in them?
Title: Re: Tottenham v Stoke
Post by: Paul Finch on December 27, 2012, 10:14:08 PM
You are quite right it wasn't in any Australian Newspaper that I read, and I don't recall reading it in any British Newspaper either, which I read regularly on the internet, so its obviously another figment of your vivid imagination!!
  Quite frankly I couldn't give a S--te about Chelsea, except when they are losing, because that gives me great pleasure!!


 :nods: :nods: :nods:
Title: Re: Tottenham v Stoke
Post by: spursjoolz on December 27, 2012, 10:25:21 PM

  Quite frankly I couldn't give a S--te about Chelsea, except when they are losing, because that gives me great pleasure!!


 :nods: :nods: :nods:


We are all in agreement with that, I think!!
Title: Re: Tottenham v Stoke
Post by: Paul Finch on December 27, 2012, 10:52:35 PM
No less than you Voice, no less than you.



Title: Re: Tottenham v Stoke
Post by: Glenn R on December 28, 2012, 05:57:22 PM
You are quite right it wasn't in any Australian Newspaper that I read, and I don't recall reading it in any British Newspaper either, which I read regularly on the internet, so its obviously another figment of your vivid imagination!!
  Quite frankly I couldn't give a S--te about Chelsea, except when they are losing, because that gives me great pleasure!!


 :nods: :nods: :nods:

If you did your own checks you would find what I said is on the Internet. This is from one of the British Newspapers.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/feb/20/andre-villas-boas-chelsea (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/feb/20/andre-villas-boas-chelsea)

I expect you want to apologise. There are more papers where that came from.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Stoke
Post by: Glenn R on December 28, 2012, 05:59:18 PM
No less than you Voice, no less than you.

I wish you would quote. The previous poster - to you - wasn't me so I haven't got a clue to what you are referring to.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Stoke
Post by: Paul Finch on December 28, 2012, 10:41:12 PM
Voice,
     Where in that article does it state that he was in part responsible for Chelsea winning the CL, that article was written in February prior to the round of 16 first leg, and if my memory serves me shortly before he was sacked, about 10 days in fact.


      Give me fact not fiction.
 The following are facts:
 
       AVB was in charge at Chelsea up to and including when they played the 1st leg v Napoli in the CL and they           
     lost 3-1(fact)
       He was also in charge when they played WBA and lost 1-0(fact).
       He was then sacked(fact).
       Roberto di Matteo named as caretaker manager for the remainder of the season(fact).
       He was in charge when they won the CL(fact).
       At no time has anyone attributed AVB with laying the foundation for their CL success only you(fact).


       Until you can show me concrete proof that he did, I will not be apologising.
       

  :up: :up: :up:
       
Title: Re: Tottenham v Stoke
Post by: Paul Finch on December 28, 2012, 10:53:36 PM
Voice,
   At last you got something right "You don't have a Clue" your words not mine and they are there for everyone to see. BRAVO


 :ohyeah: :ohyeah: :ohyeah:



Title: Re: Tottenham v Stoke
Post by: Glenn R on December 29, 2012, 05:53:10 PM
Voice,
   At last you got something right "You don't have a Clue" your words not mine and they are there for everyone to see. BRAVO


 :ohyeah: :ohyeah: :ohyeah:

I see you like twisting words around to get what you want for a cheap laugh. You must be desperate or didn't understand what was written or both.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Stoke
Post by: Glenn R on December 29, 2012, 05:55:25 PM
Voice,
     Where in that article does it state that he was in part responsible for Chelsea winning the CL, that article was written in February prior to the round of 16 first leg, and if my memory serves me shortly before he was sacked, about 10 days in fact.


      Give me fact not fiction.
 The following are facts:
 
       AVB was in charge at Chelsea up to and including when they played the 1st leg v Napoli in the CL and they           
     lost 3-1(fact)
       He was also in charge when they played WBA and lost 1-0(fact).
       He was then sacked(fact).
       Roberto di Matteo named as caretaker manager for the remainder of the season(fact).
       He was in charge when they won the CL(fact).
       At no time has anyone attributed AVB with laying the foundation for their CL success only you(fact).


       Until you can show me concrete proof that he did, I will not be apologising.
       

  :up: :up: :up:
     

That was not what I was talking about. I said that when AVB went to Chelsea he had a plan and their director agreed on it.

As for Chelsea winning the European cup; it could be argued that AVB set the wheels in motion.
Title: Re: Tottenham v Stoke
Post by: Paul Finch on December 30, 2012, 02:39:33 AM
Voice,
      Unlike you I read all the post, I would suggest you do the same, read ALL of your posts on this subject, and that is exactly what you have been arguing about since you joined this forum (AVB being in part responsible for Chelsea winning the CL).
      And as for me being desperate, desperate is one thing I have never been, but quite clearly you are, having been proved wrong so many times by so many people, get your facts straight before commenting or suggesting that fellow posters check theirs.


 :nods: :nods: :nods:
Title: Re: Tottenham v Stoke
Post by: Chelmsford_yid on December 30, 2012, 06:16:31 AM
Enough is Enough


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