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Tottenham Discussion => Spurs Chat => Topic started by: Blackjack on July 10, 2014, 10:05:49 PM
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I am getting really worried about our rivals as they bring in real quality and have spent wisely!, Ars*nal bought Sanchez, Chelsea have bought Costa, Tiago, Fabregas, Filipe, M.C sign Sagna,Fernando and there be more to follow, Im not saying for us to go spend another 100M im just saying that when I look at what we got for our money last term I think we have been stupid in many! our rivals have waited and bought in proven quality and we took a gamble on a few and many did not perform!, yes it was not all down to the players as it was a introductory season of many players getting used to playing together and playing a new system, but after taking a step back and looking at the team as a whole do we really think our team is realisticly strong enough to compete with the other big 3 or 4?, I dont think so, and am generally worried!, we have a new manager who I am optomistic will do a great job but does he have the quality and depth to turn our fortunes around?, I feel the gap we once closed is going to get bigger now and unless our new manager has a magic wand it maybe much of the same as last year.
The new manager must get Soldado scoring and get the team to gel A.S.A.P or confidence will again become a major concern!, we must go out and buy a world class leader, a well known player who the younger players can look upto and the experienced players take notice and do the simple things right, I dont know who this will be but it must happen.
I think we will struggle to finish higher than 5th or 6th with the current squad based on the strength of the other teams around us.
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I don't think we'll get anyone in, prove me wrong Mr Levy....
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Jesus H Christ, a ball hasn't been kicked in anger yet, and already DOOM and GLOOM, >:( >:( the transfer window has only just opened, for Christ's sake give the Coach a chance, we only realistically need to buy 3 maybe 4 players and by all reports he has players in his sights, so give him a chance before you start the doom and gloom. :nods: :nods: I for one am optimistic about signings and the forthcoming season. So lets just wait and see shall we!!!!!!!!!!!!! :tickedoff: :tickedoff: :tickedoff:
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If anyone needs to calm down, it's you. (Enter smiley face)
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No need for OT bud Im just stating facts!, lets face it the teams above us have realised that we were once a threat and have now made another huge step to in sure they stay on top!, we bought Soldado who I do believe will come good, we have Erikksen and Paulihno aswell but after that we are relying on a lot of youngsters to come good this in my opinion is going to be to much pressure, I hope I am wrong fella but in reality I dont think we have enough to compete with the other teams!, if we take a look at our best 11... say Lloris, Walker, Vertonghan( if he stays), Dawson or Chriches ( Dawson has lost a yard of pace, Chrirches is nothing short of a liability), Rose or Naughton, (Rose I think can do the job but needs nurchering a bit more and Naughton is just not good enough), Townsend has the potential to be a really good winger he just need consistancy and to stay fit, Paulinho I think will come good, is a work horse who chips in with a goal or two, Erikksen is fantastic, our playmaker and we need to build our team and forward play through him, Lamela, well he really needs to step up this season, he came with a huge price tag and was suppose to be the next Marradona, Messi type!, sorry I just dont see it!, Chadli, looks to have potential and I like him alot I only question his pace, he also needs more support when going forward. Lennon another winger with pace and if he could learn to put a decent cross in we would have another asset but he too is now starting to look un interested!, Sandro is just a defencive midfielder who is ok but nothing special, Bentaleb is more of the same, yes he is young but do you really think he is going to light up the field? I dont think so!, when you start to look at Liverpool who now have Gerrard in that defencive midfield/playmaker role or Chelsea who now have Fabregas, Ars*nal have Ramsey or Wilsher, City have Yaya or Fernandinho there is a huge diference in quality a massive step up from us!, you then look at our attack, Soldado and Adebayor looks great quite happy with that except for neither player has real pace!, Ars*nal now have Sanchez, they already have Ozil and Giroud, Liverpool have Sturridge, youug Sterling, and a few others with pace, thankfully they are losing suarez!, Chelsea now have Costa, Ba, Torres, Lakaku (If he stays) and probably another to come in!, then you look they have Willan, Hazzard, Shurrle, Fabregas to name a few, City have Aguero,Negrado, Dzeko etc followed up by Silva, Toure,Nasri,Navas, Fernandinho!, all goal threats, MU are going to spend big this summer to put them back in the game so how are Spurs really going to compete with that?, I just dont see it!, we have wasted alot of the money from the Bale deal and unless the new manager can get levy to empy his pockets again to bring in one or two WORLD CLASS players this time we will struggle and that usually means the new manager will come under huge pressure again! especially if he is givern and ultermatum of top 4 finish!( absolutely no chance), I love my team and hardly ever speak ill of it but come on guys wake up a smell the coffee! we just can not compete with the level of quality coming into the premeir league by are rivals now!, we struggle to attract big names because we cannot guanrante champions league football and the ones we do get just use the club as a stepping stone for thier carears!.
I HOPE I AM WRONG ABOUT ALL THIS, but looking at the facts I dont think I am!. :'(
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Some fair concerns there Blackjack backed up with some good reasoning.
On paper those teams do look far superior to us, many of the names you have mentioned are new comers to those teams and as such no one knows how they will adapt, they could settle in straight away and make hell of a difference or they could unsettle the current balance, there are so many possibilities its impossible to second guess. Look what happened to Man u last season and that was the squad who won the title so convincingly the season before!
I dont think we need massive changes or it is back to the drawing board with more transition time, players were not the only issues last season, a whole bowl of poor ingredients resulted in our poor campaign of which we all had high hopes for. Granted if Man U had been better we would have been lower, if Everton poorer we would have been higher etc.
I would like to see us land 1 proven EPL striker,for me its Hernandez if possible and a left back as neither Rose nor Naughton are good enough, BAE is but needs to be pushed IMO.
As for a leader on the pitch we have one, world class with proven credentials - Lloris! Ultimate professional bags of experience and able to captain big egos, a player that many will look up to also. He has committed to us I say lets see how he does.
Lloris has been convinced his immediate future lies with us,and lets face it he could go to any top team!
I am optimistic, not that we will challenge for the league or even finish top 4 (but top 4 is possible if we start strong) this season, but I do feel we will see massive improvements which will give us great hope again and foundations laid to push forward. Just hope Levy has learnt some lessons and gives the manager time and full support.
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Jesus H Christ, a ball hasn't been kicked in anger yet, and already DOOM and GLOOM, >:( >:( the transfer window has only just opened, for Christ's sake give the Coach a chance, we only realistically need to buy 3 maybe 4 players and by all reports he has players in his sights, so give him a chance before you start the doom and gloom. :nods: :nods: I for one am optimistic about signings and the forthcoming season. So lets just wait and see shall we!!!!!!!!!!!!! :tickedoff: :tickedoff: :tickedoff:
I have to agree with you. Also; we usually do business near the end of the transfer window. I am positive that we will bring in new players, to compliment the ones we've got.
As for buying probably 3 or 4; maybe. I still think the seven we brought in last season are gradually turning the corner. I've constantly said that it takes awhile to embed 7 new players in. And I think our manager is the person to help them along (if you believe reports about him).
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So we'll finish 5th or 6th then. ;) :D
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If we lucky ;) :up:
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:fishing: :fishing: :fishing: :D
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I seem to recall similar things were said the second season 'Arry was in charge and we all know what happened that year, we finished 4th against all the odds, whilst I agree that it would appear that Man C, Chelski, Arse---, Manure and Scouse have all spent on new additions to their squads, it doesn't mean that they have spent wisely, we only have to look at the money we spent pre 2013-2014. Personally I think that we will see the fruits of those Investments come to fruition this season, and YES they were investments. I for one am looking forward to the new season, one I think that could be the start of some success. Hopefully I am proved right and not just lapsing into early senility. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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I am looking/hoping that the likes of Lamela, Soldado, come good and the new manager works hard on our defence and gets rid off the halfway line back line!, he also works on the basics off pass and move, if this happens we may surprise me yet :) , but honestly team ethics and players standing up to be counted and showing plenty of desire to work there socks of for the team must be parramount, only then will we have a small chance to compete!, one of our biggest failings and this has happened for a few seasons now is getting players to be composed on the ball in the right areas!, our defence last season from every player was school boy at best and our striker Soldado was rushing and snapping at everything just to get his Spurs carrear up and runnung, this is where the new manager will earn his stripes!, being able to handle the big names and getting the best out of them!. One good thing is we have a full squad for preseason so this year the team will/ should have enough time to adjust to the new managers ideas and develop a good working relationship and understanding of thier fellow team mates. ;)
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Pochettino only met the players last week. He definitely wants to see the squad in pre-season and then decide whether he needs to reinforce certain areas or not. Ars*nal and Chelsea haven't changed managers, neither has Liverpool. This means their managers have pinpointed their needs some time ago. Yes, Manchester United has a new manager, but some of the players they've bought were associated with them many months ago. Keep calm, lads. There is still more than a month to go before the season starts and then a few more weeks until the transfer window closes.
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Pochettino only met the players last week. He definitely wants to see the squad in pre-season and then decide whether he needs to reinforce certain areas or not. Ars*nal and Chelsea haven't changed managers, neither has Liverpool. This means their managers have pinpointed their needs some time ago. Yes, Manchester United has a new manager, but some of the players they've bought were associated with them many months ago. Keep calm, lads. There is still more than a month to go before the season starts and then a few more weeks until the transfer window closes.
Welcome back Riff, nice input. I think Pochettino already knows where we need to strengthen who to sell etc, I am also confident JVT will be on his way at a decent price.
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Pochettino only met the players last week. He definitely wants to see the squad in pre-season and then decide whether he needs to reinforce certain areas or not. Ars*nal and Chelsea haven't changed managers, neither has Liverpool. This means their managers have pinpointed their needs some time ago. Yes, Manchester United has a new manager, but some of the players they've bought were associated with them many months ago. Keep calm, lads. There is still more than a month to go before the season starts and then a few more weeks until the transfer window closes.
Yes, welcome back. Nice to see you here. As they say a change is as good as a rest.
And I agree. Some interesting times ahead.
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Pochettino only met the players last week. He definitely wants to see the squad in pre-season and then decide whether he needs to reinforce certain areas or not. Ars*nal and Chelsea haven't changed managers, neither has Liverpool. This means their managers have pinpointed their needs some time ago. Yes, Manchester United has a new manager, but some of the players they've bought were associated with them many months ago. Keep calm, lads. There is still more than a month to go before the season starts and then a few more weeks until the transfer window closes.
Welcome back Riff, I think I can speak for everyone on the Spurs Network when I say that we have missed your input. :up: :up: :up:
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Pochettino only met the players last week. He definitely wants to see the squad in pre-season and then decide whether he needs to reinforce certain areas or not. Ars*nal and Chelsea haven't changed managers, neither has Liverpool. This means their managers have pinpointed their needs some time ago. Yes, Manchester United has a new manager, but some of the players they've bought were associated with them many months ago. Keep calm, lads. There is still more than a month to go before the season starts and then a few more weeks until the transfer window closes.
Welcome back Riff, I think I can speak for everyone on the Spurs Network when I say that we have missed your input. :up: :up: :up:
Thank you, Paul! :) I also wanted to add that Chelsea, Liverpool and Manchester United have lost many important/iconic players (Cole, Lampard, Eto'o, Suārez, Vidic, Giggs etc.), we have only released Gomes and sold Livermore. To me it seems pretty logical they need to bring more in than us. Levy won't go around splashing the cash, he wants to see the ones who joined last year to come good. I think we all know that replacing 2/3 of players every summer simply doesn't work.
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Yes its looking most likely JVT is going which is a shame as although he never had the best of seasons last year he is without doubt are best defender!, but if he wants to go then we might aswell let him provided we replace like for like and not gamble on maybes.
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So far I have a sinking feeling about the coming season. I haven't yet read anything yet worth taking about in terms of transfers.
Hopefully with the WC over, maybe things will change!
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Pochettino only met the players last week. He definitely wants to see the squad in pre-season and then decide whether he needs to reinforce certain areas or not. Ars*nal and Chelsea haven't changed managers, neither has Liverpool. This means their managers have pinpointed their needs some time ago. Yes, Manchester United has a new manager, but some of the players they've bought were associated with them many months ago. Keep calm, lads. There is still more than a month to go before the season starts and then a few more weeks until the transfer window closes.
Welcome back Riff, I think I can speak for everyone on the Spurs Network when I say that we have missed your input. :up: :up: :up:
Thank you, Paul! :) I also wanted to add that Chelsea, Liverpool and Manchester United have lost many important/iconic players (Cole, Lampard, Eto'o, Suārez, Vidic, Giggs etc.), we have only released Gomes and sold Livermore. To me it seems pretty logical they need to bring more in than us. Levy won't go around splashing the cash, he wants to see the ones who joined last year to come good. I think we all know that replacing 2/3 of players every summer simply doesn't work.
Yes welcome back Riff and I agree with you that Pottechino will want to see all his players first hand before he finalises who to keep and who to let go, assuming that better replacements can be brought in, not easy.
I like some of the players we are linked with, predominantly established prem players, line Davies, Stones, Bony, Lukaku to name a few. I also would like Lamela Chadli Cherices and one or two others given another season, hopefully a more settled one. Lloris for me as captain, who better ? Pott obviously knows our back 4 are not good enough, as well as our pace in midfield, and our strikers. All good signs as far as his potential goes, we just will have to be patient, as pointed out all the teams above us have settled managers so we are playing catchup in that department.
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So far I have a sinking feeling about the coming season. I haven't yet read anything yet worth taking about in terms of transfers.
Hopefully with the WC over, maybe things will change!
At the moment I have a positive feeling. :up:
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At the moment I have a positive feeling. :up:
I 'd love to know what you know that I don't know that gives you that positive feeling!
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At the moment I have a positive feeling. :up:
I 'd love to know what you know that I don't know that gives you that positive feeling!
TBH I feel the same positive but optimistic, its impossible to second guess but the signs so far are good, getting Lloris to commit to another 5 years gives me great confidence that things behind the season are moving in the right direction!
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Its good news we not selling Jan as he is the best defender we have by a long way but I would like to see the manager or chairmen come out and give us some know how just what they intend to do to put us back on track!, I keep seeing Lamela is doing well so why not give us a small peek at what we should expect from our crown jewels?, no more false promises, lets finaly see the quality our money has paid for!.
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Its good news we not selling Jan as he is the best defender we have by a long way but I would like to see the manager or chairmen come out and give us some know how just what they intend to do to put us back on track!, I keep seeing Lamela is doing well so why not give us a small peek at what we should expect from our crown jewels?, no more false promises, lets finaly see the quality our money has paid for!.
Are you certain about JVT ?
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Its good news we not selling Jan as he is the best defender we have by a long way but I would like to see the manager or chairmen come out and give us some know how just what they intend to do to put us back on track!, I keep seeing Lamela is doing well so why not give us a small peek at what we should expect from our crown jewels?, no more false promises, lets finaly see the quality our money has paid for!.
Are you certain about JVT ?
According to SKY SPORTS website Spurs will reject any offer for him!.
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At the moment I have a positive feeling. :up:
I 'd love to know what you know that I don't know that gives you that positive feeling!
You could reverse that and say: I would love to know what you know to make you feel not positive.
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At the moment I have a positive feeling. :up:
I 'd love to know what you know that I don't know that gives you that positive feeling!
You could reverse that and say: I would love to know what you know to make you feel not positive.
If I could poke my nose in, previous false dawns, too numerous to mention !!
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At the moment I have a positive feeling. :up:
I 'd love to know what you know that I don't know that gives you that positive feeling!
You could reverse that and say: I would love to know what you know to make you feel not positive.
If I could poke my nose in, previous false dawns, too numerous to mention !!
True, however, if you are optimistic (as I am) you could say that eventually Levy/ the manager will get it right. And it is on that philosophy that I am working from. I do believe that Levy does want us to be a top team (that is why he is building a new stadium), however, his failures have been in either picking the wrong manager or not giving them a chance. Is Mauricio Pochettino the right one? I like to say yes; until I have proof he isn't. They are all the right ones until they fail (just look at Moyes).
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At the moment I have a positive feeling. :up:
I 'd love to know what you know that I don't know that gives you that positive feeling!
You could reverse that and say: I would love to know what you know to make you feel not positive.
If I could poke my nose in, previous false dawns, too numerous to mention !!
True, however, if you are optimistic (as I am) you could say that eventually Levy/ the manager will get it right. And it is on that philosophy that I am working from. I do believe that Levy does want us to be a top team (that is why he is building a new stadium), however, his failures have been in either picking the wrong manager or not giving them a chance. Is Mauricio Pochettino the right one? I like to say yes; until I have proof he isn't. They are all the right ones until they fail (just look at Moyes).
Yep, I hope you're right on that one
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Pochettino only met the players last week. He definitely wants to see the squad in pre-season and then decide whether he needs to reinforce certain areas or not. Ars*nal and Chelsea haven't changed managers, neither has Liverpool. This means their managers have pinpointed their needs some time ago. Yes, Manchester United has a new manager, but some of the players they've bought were associated with them many months ago. Keep calm, lads. There is still more than a month to go before the season starts and then a few more weeks until the transfer window closes.
Welcome back Riff. Hope its permanent.
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While everyone else is revealing their new signings and getting ready for the start of the season, we finally get some news, the club is pleased to announce a brand new...kit. Brilliant, that will help raise some more funds for the non existent new stadium, players and wages won't it?
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While everyone else is revealing their new signings and getting ready for the start of the season, we finally get some news, the club is pleased to announce a brand new...kit. Brilliant, that will help raise some more funds for the non existent new stadium, players and wages won't it?
Levy is a person who likes to hold his cards close to his chest. In other words he goes right to the wire, hoping to get some bargains. I an not expecting any significant signings until a couple of days before the deadline (if any). But then again I could be wrong; over to you Mr Levy!
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Its becoming more and more anoying that evertime I read or here a Tottenham target he is being signed or having a medical at Liverpool!, the latest is Remy!, I keep hearing about the Ben Davis deal and still nothing concreat!, I personaly dont know much about the young left back so can someone tell me if he is any good!(not potentialy!!!), also there is a rumour that Badini has go over to Italy and back to his old club Roma to try and sign a young 23y striker!, seriously dudes everything I here is not exactly making my hairs stand on end!, I dont want us to rush into buying everybody elses left overs and un wanted crap!.
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The last player we bought who actually caused a bit of excitement and made me think we were going places was VDV. He was a known player of quality, the fact that we only paid 8 million for him is irrelevant. We have spent more than that on a number of players, look back to Bentley (15 mill), or recently with Lamela (25 mill). So I am not saying we have to break our transfer records, or even have to come close. But there is a difference between buying a Modric, Berbatov, or VDV (total cost 45.5 million) and Bentley, Bent or Lamela (total cost 57.3 million). Now Bent was not awful and Lamela I hope will still come good. But there are players who you know will come in and instantly add quality and improvement to a side, and there are those who may or may not become brilliant in the future (Bale, Lamela, Rose) and finally there are those that will only be squad players at best.
Unfortunately most of our signings fall into the middle category in the hope they will make us a profit, but until we start adding 1 or 2 quality players, we will only ever continue to be the almost/nearly/hopefully there kind of side. The saddest thing of all is that this argument has been my view for too many years now and it seems like there is a simple solution that we never seem to want to take.
Will spending more help? Yes. Will increasing our wage structure help attract better players? Yes. Will being in Champions League also help to attract the better players? Yes. Are these all essential? No. There are always quality players who will look beyond those factors. It is the vision that matters most, if the right player sees a team moving in the right direction they will get on board and take that chance. It is down to the club to make sure that vision is believable, achievable and attractive.
Just signing one player that no one saw coming, that raises the perception of the fans, players and our opponents, could be the difference between being 4th or 6th next year. Time for Levy to back his newest victim.
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The last player we bought who actually caused a bit of excitement and made me think we were going places was VDV. He was a known player of quality, the fact that we only paid 8 million for him is irrelevant. We have spent more than that on a number of players, look back to Bentley (15 mill), or recently with Lamela (25 mill). So I am not saying we have to break our transfer records, or even have to come close. But there is a difference between buying a Modric, Berbatov, or VDV (total cost 45.5 million) and Bentley, Bent or Lamela (total cost 57.3 million). Now Bent was not awful and Lamela I hope will still come good. But there are players who you know will come in and instantly add quality and improvement to a side, who may or may not become brilliant in the future (Bale, Lamela, Rose) and those that will only be squad players at best.
Unfortunately most of our signings fall into the middle category in the hope they will make us a profit, but until we start adding 1 or 2 quality players, we will only ever continue to be the almost/nearly/hopefully there kind of side. The saddest thing of all is that this argument has been my view for too many years now and it seems like there is a simple solution that we never seem to want to take.
Will spending more help? Yes. Will increasing our wage structure help attract better players? Yes. Will being in Champions League also help to attract the better players? Yes. Are these all essential? No. There are always quality players who will look beyond those factors. It is the vision that matters most, if the right player sees a team moving in the right direction they will get on board and take that chance. It is down to the club to make sure that vision is believable, achievable and attractive.
Just signing one player that no one saw coming, that raises the perception of the fans, players and our opponents, could be the difference between being 4th or 6th next year. Time for Levy to back his newest victim.
Exactly, could not agree more!.
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All we can do is trust pochittino (sorry if i`ve spelt his name wrong)and trust that the players that we brought in last season come good . Levy`s not going to sanction a big signing this season .
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At the moment I have a positive feeling. :up:
I 'd love to know what you know that I don't know that gives you that positive feeling!
You could reverse that and say: I would love to know what you know to make you feel not positive.
If I could poke my nose in, previous false dawns, too numerous to mention !!
True, however, if you are optimistic (as I am) you could say that eventually Levy/ the manager will get it right. And it is on that philosophy that I am working from. I do believe that Levy does want us to be a top team (that is why he is building a new stadium), however, his failures have been in either picking the wrong manager or not giving them a chance. Is Mauricio Pochettino the right one? I like to say yes; until I have proof he isn't. They are all the right ones until they fail (just look at Moyes).
Voice I seem to remember that you thought that AVB was going to be our Messiah and we all know what a Balls he made of it. As for Pochettino, we will have to wait and see, but, I am very optimistic that given time, he could in fact prove to be a good acquisition. :up: :up: Providing of course that cock-head Levy allows him the time. :nods: :nods:
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AVB was the messiah for some, given a fair chance by others, accepted reluctantly by more still, and simply not welcomed and unwanted by a fraction. He came in under difficult circumstances and the chance of him succeeding was always very slim. Sherwood was liked by thee fans but again was destined to fail or was never going to be given a chance by Levy, so we can ignore this period completely.
The one advantage that Pochettino has is that nearly all the fans either believe he can do well or are at least willing to give him a fair chance. So I think we are all right to feel a little more positive and confident as we start the new season and this may just allow us to move back towards the place where we were only a few years ago. Of course the one disadvantage that he and every manager has had in recent times is Levy. How he handles that is what will ultimately decide his fate.
But let us enjoy this brief moment in time when everyone on this forum actually agrees for once. :D :up:
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At the moment I have a positive feeling. :up:
I 'd love to know what you know that I don't know that gives you that positive feeling!
You could reverse that and say: I would love to know what you know to make you feel not positive.
If I could poke my nose in, previous false dawns, too numerous to mention !!
True, however, if you are optimistic (as I am) you could say that eventually Levy/ the manager will get it right. And it is on that philosophy that I am working from. I do believe that Levy does want us to be a top team (that is why he is building a new stadium), however, his failures have been in either picking the wrong manager or not giving them a chance. Is Mauricio Pochettino the right one? I like to say yes; until I have proof he isn't. They are all the right ones until they fail (just look at Moyes).
Voice I seem to remember that you thought that AVB was going to be our Messiah and we all know what a Balls he made of it. As for Pochettino, we will have to wait and see, but, I am very optimistic that given time, he could in fact prove to be a good acquisition. :up: :up: Providing of course that cock-head Levy allows him the time. :nods: :nods:
I wouldn't argue with you in what you said above (Messiah might be a bit too strong though). I still think he should have been given to the end of the season. Nevertheless he has gone l(and Sherwood as well) and now we look forward to a new season and a new manager.
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Things are looking up a bit in the transfer gossip, but nothing of great importance yet. So I will wait until something concrete happens before I get that positive feeling!
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Things are looking up a bit in the transfer gossip, but nothing of great importance yet. So I will wait until something concrete happens before I get that positive feeling!
For me, what we really really needed this window was LB, CB, pacey creative midfielder, and striker.
Well its one down 3 to go by the looks of things.
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Things are looking up a bit in the transfer gossip, but nothing of great importance yet. So I will wait until something concrete happens before I get that positive feeling!
I agree, however, if you believe in everything they say or who we are going to buy then we also must sell. Some of the names they mention seem mouth watering. I do think we should sell Ade and diffidently get another striker. However I think Soldado should stay. Probably another defender as well.
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Things are looking up a bit in the transfer gossip, but nothing of great importance yet. So I will wait until something concrete happens before I get that positive feeling!
I agree, however, if you believe in everything they say or who we are going to buy then we also must sell. Some of the names they mention seem mouth watering. I do think we should sell Ade and diffidently get another striker. However I think Soldado should stay. Probably another defender as well.
Ade, Soldado and Kane to stay with another value addition or bring through another from the youth team. I think given a run in the team and growing confidence Kane could be a gem, if we dont try we will never know. Selling Ade is not an option unless we have an experienced proven EPL striker, Hernandez anyone!
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Things are looking up a bit in the transfer gossip, but nothing of great importance yet. So I will wait until something concrete happens before I get that positive feeling!
I agree, however, if you believe in everything they say or who we are going to buy then we also must sell. Some of the names they mention seem mouth watering. I do think we should sell Ade and diffidently get another striker. However I think Soldado should stay. Probably another defender as well.
Selling Ade is not an option unless we have an experienced proven EPL striker, Hernandez anyone!
I'm not sure Hernandez is suited to play as the lone striker (if Pochettino decides to go down that path), but he would be a great addition nevertheless.
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Things are looking up a bit in the transfer gossip, but nothing of great importance yet. So I will wait until something concrete happens before I get that positive feeling!
I agree, however, if you believe in everything they say or who we are going to buy then we also must sell. Some of the names they mention seem mouth watering. I do think we should sell Ade and diffidently get another striker. However I think Soldado should stay. Probably another defender as well.
Ade, Soldado and Kane to stay with another value addition or bring through another from the youth team. I think given a run in the team and growing confidence Kane could be a gem, if we dont try we will never know. Selling Ade is not an option unless we have an experienced proven EPL striker, Hernandez anyone!
The trouble with Ade is that he fades. He did that under AVB and Sherwood. Of course I am not talking about selling him without a replacement, that would be stupid. He might be better if he had strong competition.
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Things are looking up a bit in the transfer gossip, but nothing of great importance yet. So I will wait until something concrete happens before I get that positive feeling!
I agree, however, if you believe in everything they say or who we are going to buy then we also must sell. Some of the names they mention seem mouth watering. I do think we should sell Ade and diffidently get another striker. However I think Soldado should stay. Probably another defender as well.
Selling Ade is not an option unless we have an experienced proven EPL striker, Hernandez anyone!
I'm not sure Hernandez is suited to play as the lone striker (if Pochettino decides to go down that path), but he would be a great addition nevertheless.
I think that Pochettino is definitely going down that route. He plays 1 up front with 3 behind, so where does that leave Soldado ? This has been his problem all along I think. Kane and Abel (sorry Ade !) can play that role, but I don't see Soldado fitting in.
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Things are looking up a bit in the transfer gossip, but nothing of great importance yet. So I will wait until something concrete happens before I get that positive feeling!
I agree, however, if you believe in everything they say or who we are going to buy then we also must sell. Some of the names they mention seem mouth watering. I do think we should sell Ade and diffidently get another striker. However I think Soldado should stay. Probably another defender as well.
Selling Ade is not an option unless we have an experienced proven EPL striker, Hernandez anyone!
I'm not sure Hernandez is suited to play as the lone striker (if Pochettino decides to go down that path), but he would be a great addition nevertheless.
I think that Pochettino is definitely going down that route. He plays 1 up front with 3 behind, so where does that leave Soldado ? This has been his problem all along I think. Kane and Abel (sorry Ade !) can play that role, but I don't see Soldado fitting in.
He can fit in providing he stays within the box. The problem with last season was that he was all over the place.
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Things are looking up a bit in the transfer gossip, but nothing of great importance yet. So I will wait until something concrete happens before I get that positive feeling!
I agree, however, if you believe in everything they say or who we are going to buy then we also must sell. Some of the names they mention seem mouth watering. I do think we should sell Ade and diffidently get another striker. However I think Soldado should stay. Probably another defender as well.
Selling Ade is not an option unless we have an experienced proven EPL striker, Hernandez anyone!
I'm not sure Hernandez is suited to play as the lone striker (if Pochettino decides to go down that path), but he would be a great addition nevertheless.
I think that Pochettino is definitely going down that route. He plays 1 up front with 3 behind, so where does that leave Soldado ? This has been his problem all along I think. Kane and Abel (sorry Ade !) can play that role, but I don't see Soldado fitting in.
He can fit in providing he stays within the box. The problem with last season was that he was all over the place.
And this proves his tactical weakness - as he's playing alone up front he tends to get isolated. Then he'll try to make himself more useful by drifting into the wing and not being where he needs to be. But, who knows - maybe Pochettino can turn Soldado into a lone striker. Villas-Boas couldn't, but to be fair, Soldado had just joined back then.
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Things are looking up a bit in the transfer gossip, but nothing of great importance yet. So I will wait until something concrete happens before I get that positive feeling!
I agree, however, if you believe in everything they say or who we are going to buy then we also must sell. Some of the names they mention seem mouth watering. I do think we should sell Ade and diffidently get another striker. However I think Soldado should stay. Probably another defender as well.
Selling Ade is not an option unless we have an experienced proven EPL striker, Hernandez anyone!
I'm not sure Hernandez is suited to play as the lone striker (if Pochettino decides to go down that path), but he would be a great addition nevertheless.
I think that Pochettino is definitely going down that route. He plays 1 up front with 3 behind, so where does that leave Soldado ? This has been his problem all along I think. Kane and Abel (sorry Ade !) can play that role, but I don't see Soldado fitting in.
He can fit in providing he stays within the box. The problem with last season was that he was all over the place.
And this proves his tactical weakness - as he's playing alone up front he tends to get isolated. Then he'll try to make himself more useful by drifting into the wing and not being where he needs to be. But, who knows - maybe Pochettino can turn Soldado into a lone striker. Villas-Boas couldn't, but to be fair, Soldado had just joined back then.
You say that AVB couldn't and I would agree that you are partly right. As I have said previous you can't buy 7 players and then expect to embed them all in within a season. I thought his play under Sherwood was worse than under AVB. However, I do agree that hopefully Pochettino can turn Soldado into a very good striker. He has publicly said that he is happy with the squad he inherited.
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The sad fact is we are a 2nd tier club. Players want to play in the Champions League so they hold out to see if they can get a move to a CL club. Only once they accept that's not going to happen do they look at the likes of us. That's why we do the majority of our deals late in the window. We are 2nd or 3rd choice to these guys. We will pick up a few young ones who are not yet ready for the CL before hand but the bulk of the business will be done only when the CL clubs have filled their squads.
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The sad fact is we are a 2nd tier club. Players want to play in the Champions League so they hold out to see if they can get a move to a CL club. Only once they accept that's not going to happen do they look at the likes of us. That's why we do the majority of our deals late in the window. We are 2nd or 3rd choice to these guys. We will pick up a few young ones who are not yet ready for the CL before hand but the bulk of the business will be done only when the CL clubs have filled their squads.
If we were a second rate club we wouldn't get players like Lloris to join us. We have the potential to be a top 4 club; what we need is the right manager and a larger stadium. I am hoping that the new manager will be the right one. Every time I read something about him - from former Spurs players, or players that played under him - it has always been positive. One of Southampton's players said they would rather play for us than Ars*nal because of our manager.
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We do have the potential to be a league winning side but due to bad management on all levels and our failure keep our best players and intergrate our potential youth players into regular first team players is our down fall.
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Quote from Voice "However, I do agree that hopefully Pochettino can turn Soldado into a very good striker."
Voice, now come on, you can't be serious, are you saying that Soldado isn't already a very good striker, maybe you mean't to say that Pochettino can turn him into a very good PL striker. :up: :up:
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Quote from Voice "However, I do agree that hopefully Pochettino can turn Soldado into a very good striker."
Voice, now come on, you can't be serious, are you saying that Soldado isn't already a very good striker, maybe you mean't to say that Pochettino can turn him into a very good PL striker. :up: :up:
That is exactly what I meant. That Pochettino can turn him into a very good PL striker. Well spotted. I am pleased to see that you are on the ball. :up: :up: :hide:
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The sad fact is we are a 2nd tier club. Players want to play in the Champions League so they hold out to see if they can get a move to a CL club. Only once they accept that's not going to happen do they look at the likes of us. That's why we do the majority of our deals late in the window. We are 2nd or 3rd choice to these guys. We will pick up a few young ones who are not yet ready for the CL before hand but the bulk of the business will be done only when the CL clubs have filled their squads.
If we were a second rate club we wouldn't get players like Lloris to join us. We have the potential to be a top 4 club; what we need is the right manager and a larger stadium. I am hoping that the new manager will be the right one. Every time I read something about him - from former Spurs players, or players that played under him - it has always been positive. One of Southampton's players said they would rather play for us than Ars*nal because of our manager.
From what I've seen and heard so far, I think at last we have the right manager. Early days I know, just a feeling. If he can only do one thing this season, and that's sort out our defence once and for all, then we might get somewhere.
The friendlies say it all. 5 goals leaked in 2 games. Ben Davies is a start, now we need at least 1 more CB, and the correct coaching to stop the unforced errors, and how to defend set pieces. Simples !!
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The sad fact is we are a 2nd tier club. Players want to play in the Champions League so they hold out to see if they can get a move to a CL club. Only once they accept that's not going to happen do they look at the likes of us. That's why we do the majority of our deals late in the window. We are 2nd or 3rd choice to these guys. We will pick up a few young ones who are not yet ready for the CL before hand but the bulk of the business will be done only when the CL clubs have filled their squads.
If we were a second rate club we wouldn't get players like Lloris to join us. We have the potential to be a top 4 club; what we need is the right manager and a larger stadium. I am hoping that the new manager will be the right one. Every time I read something about him - from former Spurs players, or players that played under him - it has always been positive. One of Southampton's players said they would rather play for us than Ars*nal because of our manager.
From what I've seen and heard so far, I think at last we have the right manager. Early days I know, just a feeling. If he can only do one thing this season, and that's sort out our defence once and for all, then we might get somewhere.
The friendlies say it all. 5 goals leaked in 2 games. Ben Davies is a start, now we need at least 1 more CB, and the correct coaching to stop the unforced errors, and how to defend set pieces. Simples !!
Five leaked goals are a fact, but one must consider that some of these goals were scored when we had reserves on the pitch.
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It's best not to read too much into preseason results, but they do give an insight into the current strengths and weaknesses of a team.
Manager Mauricio Pochettino's Tottenham side have looked good going forward so far this summer, attacking with much more pace and movement than last season. The midfield are now looking to move the ball forward quickly, and there has been a noticeable increase in the amount of one- and two-touch passing -- though this might just be a byproduct of Mousa Dembele and Paulinho not playing.
Further forward, the movement of the attacking midfield three bodes well for the future. The trio have license to roam, as evidenced by Erik Lamela's two goals against Toronto FC. Starting on the right, Lamela had freedom to drift toward the middle of the field and scored both of his goals from a position on the left.
Spurs have scored three goals in each of their preseason games, but the fact that they have conceded a total of five demonstrates where the problem lies. Against Seattle the team defended abysmally, with keeper Brad Friedel having to pull off a passable impression of Tim Howard against Belgium to keep the score line decent.
- WhoScored: Vorm's move to Spurs makes sense
Tottenham may be linked with players such as Morgan Schneiderlin and Antoine Griezmann, but it would be no disaster if they went into the new season without reinforcements in the midfield and attack.
The defence is a different matter, with more work needing to be done. The club have gone some way to addressing the issues at the back. Ben Davies was brought in to solve the long-running problem at left-back, and Michel Vorm was recruited to provide suitable cover for keeper Hugo Lloris.
Michael Dawson's performances have been woefully off pace, but things aren't as simple as merely replacing him with a younger model. Younes Kaboul also has to prove he can get back to his best because on last season's form, he too is past it. In contrast, Zeki Fryers probably needs more experience before he's ready for more action at Spurs and would benefit from a loan move.
As if that wasn't enough, it is rumoured that Vlad Chiriches could be joining Roma. Though his form declined as last season went on, Chiriches was impressive in his early months at the club. Surely he can't be allowed to leave while Dawson and Kaboul are still there?
You'd think not, but Steven Caulker was sold when it made more sense to offload someone else. Plenty of Tottenham fans don't rate him, yet it's undeniable that he would have seen plenty of first-team action last season. Caulker might never turn out to be a world-beater, but he was available at a relatively modest price this summer. He has potential and, at this stage of his career, is better than Dawson (and most probably Kaboul).
He's also arguably a better bet than Ron Vlaar. The Aston Villa defender had an incredible World Cup and Spurs are currently linked with a move for him. It's an odd link as Vlaar is far too slow to play in Pochettino's system.
Some better options have fallen by the wayside. Dejan Lovren was too expensive and Hector Moreno broke his leg during the World Cup. More candidates must be found fast, because the question is not whether Spurs need to sign a new central defender, but if one will be enough.
I read this on another forum, and for me it sums up our situation exactly.
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It's best not to read too much into preseason results, but they do give an insight into the current strengths and weaknesses of a team.
Manager Mauricio Pochettino's Tottenham side have looked good going forward so far this summer, attacking with much more pace and movement than last season. The midfield are now looking to move the ball forward quickly, and there has been a noticeable increase in the amount of one- and two-touch passing -- though this might just be a byproduct of Mousa Dembele and Paulinho not playing.
Further forward, the movement of the attacking midfield three bodes well for the future. The trio have license to roam, as evidenced by Erik Lamela's two goals against Toronto FC. Starting on the right, Lamela had freedom to drift toward the middle of the field and scored both of his goals from a position on the left.
Spurs have scored three goals in each of their preseason games, but the fact that they have conceded a total of five demonstrates where the problem lies. Against Seattle the team defended abysmally, with keeper Brad Friedel having to pull off a passable impression of Tim Howard against Belgium to keep the score line decent.
- WhoScored: Vorm's move to Spurs makes sense
Tottenham may be linked with players such as Morgan Schneiderlin and Antoine Griezmann, but it would be no disaster if they went into the new season without reinforcements in the midfield and attack.
The defence is a different matter, with more work needing to be done. The club have gone some way to addressing the issues at the back. Ben Davies was brought in to solve the long-running problem at left-back, and Michel Vorm was recruited to provide suitable cover for keeper Hugo Lloris.
Michael Dawson's performances have been woefully off pace, but things aren't as simple as merely replacing him with a younger model. Younes Kaboul also has to prove he can get back to his best because on last season's form, he too is past it. In contrast, Zeki Fryers probably needs more experience before he's ready for more action at Spurs and would benefit from a loan move.
As if that wasn't enough, it is rumoured that Vlad Chiriches could be joining Roma. Though his form declined as last season went on, Chiriches was impressive in his early months at the club. Surely he can't be allowed to leave while Dawson and Kaboul are still there?
You'd think not, but Steven Caulker was sold when it made more sense to offload someone else. Plenty of Tottenham fans don't rate him, yet it's undeniable that he would have seen plenty of first-team action last season. Caulker might never turn out to be a world-beater, but he was available at a relatively modest price this summer. He has potential and, at this stage of his career, is better than Dawson (and most probably Kaboul).
He's also arguably a better bet than Ron Vlaar. The Aston Villa defender had an incredible World Cup and Spurs are currently linked with a move for him. It's an odd link as Vlaar is far too slow to play in Pochettino's system.
Some better options have fallen by the wayside. Dejan Lovren was too expensive and Hector Moreno broke his leg during the World Cup. More candidates must be found fast, because the question is not whether Spurs need to sign a new central defender, but if one will be enough.
I read this on another forum, and for me it sums up our situation exactly.
RSS, I couldn't agree more with your summation of our current form, BUT, if and I say IF Verthongen does stay, the signing of Davies will allow him(Verthongen) to play in his favored position of CB which would mean that either Kaboul or Chiriches or Capoue could partner him which might just be another alternative. Agree or disagree ?? :-\ :-\
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It's best not to read too much into preseason results, but they do give an insight into the current strengths and weaknesses of a team.
Manager Mauricio Pochettino's Tottenham side have looked good going forward so far this summer, attacking with much more pace and movement than last season. The midfield are now looking to move the ball forward quickly, and there has been a noticeable increase in the amount of one- and two-touch passing -- though this might just be a byproduct of Mousa Dembele and Paulinho not playing.
Further forward, the movement of the attacking midfield three bodes well for the future. The trio have license to roam, as evidenced by Erik Lamela's two goals against Toronto FC. Starting on the right, Lamela had freedom to drift toward the middle of the field and scored both of his goals from a position on the left.
Spurs have scored three goals in each of their preseason games, but the fact that they have conceded a total of five demonstrates where the problem lies. Against Seattle the team defended abysmally, with keeper Brad Friedel having to pull off a passable impression of Tim Howard against Belgium to keep the score line decent.
- WhoScored: Vorm's move to Spurs makes sense
Tottenham may be linked with players such as Morgan Schneiderlin and Antoine Griezmann, but it would be no disaster if they went into the new season without reinforcements in the midfield and attack.
The defence is a different matter, with more work needing to be done. The club have gone some way to addressing the issues at the back. Ben Davies was brought in to solve the long-running problem at left-back, and Michel Vorm was recruited to provide suitable cover for keeper Hugo Lloris.
Michael Dawson's performances have been woefully off pace, but things aren't as simple as merely replacing him with a younger model. Younes Kaboul also has to prove he can get back to his best because on last season's form, he too is past it. In contrast, Zeki Fryers probably needs more experience before he's ready for more action at Spurs and would benefit from a loan move.
As if that wasn't enough, it is rumoured that Vlad Chiriches could be joining Roma. Though his form declined as last season went on, Chiriches was impressive in his early months at the club. Surely he can't be allowed to leave while Dawson and Kaboul are still there?
You'd think not, but Steven Caulker was sold when it made more sense to offload someone else. Plenty of Tottenham fans don't rate him, yet it's undeniable that he would have seen plenty of first-team action last season. Caulker might never turn out to be a world-beater, but he was available at a relatively modest price this summer. He has potential and, at this stage of his career, is better than Dawson (and most probably Kaboul).
He's also arguably a better bet than Ron Vlaar. The Aston Villa defender had an incredible World Cup and Spurs are currently linked with a move for him. It's an odd link as Vlaar is far too slow to play in Pochettino's system.
Some better options have fallen by the wayside. Dejan Lovren was too expensive and Hector Moreno broke his leg during the World Cup. More candidates must be found fast, because the question is not whether Spurs need to sign a new central defender, but if one will be enough.
I read this on another forum, and for me it sums up our situation exactly.
RSS, I couldn't agree more with your summation of our current form, BUT, if and I say IF Verthongen does stay, the signing of Davies will allow him(Verthongen) to play in his favored position of CB which would mean that either Kaboul or Chiriches or Capoue could partner him which might just be another alternative. Agree or disagree ?? :-\ :-\
I always felt that JVT and Kaboul would be our best CB partnership. Providing Kaboul can stay fit, then I still do. Dawson is finished, Ceriches is forever injured, is error prone, and apparently unhappy anyway.
Either way we need at least 1 more CB and Pochettino would appear to be after one.
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The sad fact is we are a 2nd tier club. Players want to play in the Champions League so they hold out to see if they can get a move to a CL club. Only once they accept that's not going to happen do they look at the likes of us. That's why we do the majority of our deals late in the window. We are 2nd or 3rd choice to these guys. We will pick up a few young ones who are not yet ready for the CL before hand but the bulk of the business will be done only when the CL clubs have filled their squads.
If we were a second rate club we wouldn't get players like Lloris to join us. We have the potential to be a top 4 club; what we need is the right manager and a larger stadium. I am hoping that the new manager will be the right one. Every time I read something about him - from former Spurs players, or players that played under him - it has always been positive. One of Southampton's players said they would rather play for us than Ars*nal because of our manager.
From what I've seen and heard so far, I think at last we have the right manager. Early days I know, just a feeling. If he can only do one thing this season, and that's sort out our defence once and for all, then we might get somewhere.
The friendlies say it all. 5 goals leaked in 2 games. Ben Davies is a start, now we need at least 1 more CB, and the correct coaching to stop the unforced errors, and how to defend set pieces. Simples !!
Leaked goals in friendlies are neither here nor there. It is about trying out formations. The manger has changed the teams quite regularly to try to find out which are his best players. At this stage I am not worried about leaked goals but how they perform. What is important is getting it right on the night.
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The defence is the main problem but from what ive seen after watching both the friendlies is when the right team is on the pitch we are much more solid, in both games with Dawson he and his fellow center back are way to far apart and so leave achers of space inbetween, Dawson has also been playing suicidle balls, in the first half against Toronto Kaboul played, Ben Davis played and we also had Erikksen, Lamela and Soldado and we looked so much more solid, at HT all 10 outfield players where changed and thats when we conceded, Dawson came in again and did not get his back four together, the midfield did not close down and we were slow out the blocks, considering we have Vertonghan to come back aswell as Paulinho we can only get better!, I would like to give Kaboul and Vertonghan go together with Davis on the left and Walker on the right, Paulinho, Erickksen in the middle, Chadli on the left, Townsend on the right with Lamela sat just behind Soldado or Ade so we play 4-4-1-1 or 4-4-2.
If we can get the defence and midfield working together and the midfield and the strikers working together we ay just get it right yet!, what I have noticed is Pochitino is getting us to pass the ball forward as apose to hoofing it up field which is what I want to see!, my only little critisism would be we still look a little cramped in midfield still( when we play the ball out from the back the back four is struggling to find an outlet in space as the midfield come into the ball trying to play a tight diamond or one two, this is a very very dangerous thing to do close to your own final third as against good teams we will get heavily punished) ... just something to work on!!!.