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Tottenham Discussion => Spurs Chat => Topic started by: Metalanimal on November 18, 2012, 04:03:53 PM
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Yesterday Lloris got the nod ahead of Friedal.
Now as many will be aware I have long said lets get Lloris taking the league games as he is our future between the sticks and Brad the cups, this though clearly wasn't going to happen and Lloris appeared to get a little rusty and made a few mistakes in his last Euro game.
I was actually surprised to see him get the nod in the game vs L Arse and I just think this was another example of player power and media rumbles. Its funny this happens after the press only days before provided quotes from Lloris about how he is not happy bench warming and may be off.
I had hoped AVB would have a bit more about him minerals wise than to give into this type of shyte if that was the reasoning behind it. I am certain the decision was not based on form as in the recent games played Brad has been more solid.
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Yesterday Lloris got the nod ahead of Friedal.
Now as many will be aware I have long said lets get Lloris taking the league games as he is our future between the sticks and Brad the cups, this though clearly wasn't going to happen and Lloris appeared to get a little rusty and made a few mistakes in his last Euro game.
I was actually surprised to see him get the nod in the game vs L Arse and I just think this was another example of player power and media rumbles. Its funny this happens after the press only days before provided quotes from Lloris about how he is not happy bench warming and may be off.
I had hoped AVB would have a bit more about him minerals wise than to give into this type of shyte if that was the reasoning behind it. I am certain the decision was not based on form as in the recent games played Brad has been more solid.
I'll even go further and say that Lloris wasn't very good yesterday. I feel he should have dealt better with Ars*nal's second and third goal but I agree that our defenders were the real culprits. Nevertheless, I wouldn't say he looked very comfortable yesterday. Yes, some good saves but he's supposed to be one of the TOP5 keepers in the world and make saves like these for breakfast. And, don't get me wrong, Lloris is not to blame for our loss and Friedel wouldn't have saved us either. I'm just saying that what you posted is right - Lloris was most likely given a start so that his agent and Deschamps would shut up, he didn't get the start because he's been training or playing better that Friedel.
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If it turns out to be the reason Lloris played was because of pressure from outside influences then I'm afraid we are heading down a very dangerous road. At Chelski AVB ignored all and did his thing and got the sack, ultimately letting others dictate to him who plays and who dosen't he will end up the same way !!!!
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I'm afraid AVB might well be making a rod for his own back once again !!!!
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If it turns out to be the reason Lloris played was because of pressure from outside influences then I'm afraid we are heading down a very dangerous road. At Chelski AVB ignored all and did his thing and got the sack, ultimately letting others dictate to him who plays and who dosen't he will end up the same way !!!!
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I'm afraid AVB might well be making a rod for his own back once again !!!!
Well, what ever AVB does it never appears to be right. GOOD, LET'S SACK HIM ANYWAY
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Lloris needs games otherwise he will loose confidence if nothing
else. Possibly shown at Emirates where he doesn't "know" his back four.
Lets see who plays between the sticks in the next couple of Europa
games.
Maybe Lloris will continue in Prem games and Friedel will play midweek.
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Lloris needs games otherwise he will loose confidence if nothing
else. Possibly shown at Emirates where he doesn't "know" his back four.
Lets see who plays between the sticks in the next couple of Europa
games.
Maybe Lloris will continue in Prem games and Friedel will play midweek.
IMO Lloris should have been put in to play league games from the start of the season and Brad the cups.
I have said this a few times, as at that stage Lloris was fresh at the club, raring to go and came of the back of a decent Euro campaign with France. Instead we opted to play it the other way around.
Now, likley due to pressure AVB has put Lloris in ahead of Bard for the Arse game, Lloris who is clearly lacking in confidence and match sharpness, in addition to this i think he may well have doubts in his mind now if THFC is the future for him. If this doubt has crept in we as a club will be a big loser with this player as he will be off.
If AVB drops Lloris for the next league game after shipping 5 at Ars*nal IMO that will be him finished at THFC, his confidence will nose dive and he will not see his future with us.
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Quite honestly any keeper would struggle behind our makeshift defence. We have no left back, an over the hill CB and RB out of form. Coupled with the ever slower Huddlestone, who just stands and watches players go past him, is it all any wonder ? Lloris is in, and in to stay IMO.
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I hope you are right mate as if he is dropped in the next league game we may as well look elsewhere for a no1 for reasons already stated.
You are right our defence is poo, just when it started to look more solid last season we have now reverted back to being very weak at the back, the late goals consistently conceded just proves this.
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I wish the player power would work so that Dawson gets back in the team. His few outings have been rather promising.
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I wish the player power would work so that Dawson gets back in the team. His few outings have been rather promising.
Dawson has a slightly smaller international profile than the likes of Lloris, doesnt have an international manager in Deschamps fighting his corner and is also a nice humble guy!
I feel he should be starting as things currently stand and then maybe we will see him back at his best, which no one can argue we was solid then during his best seasons to date for us.
Big difference there!,, I fear we may lose him in Jan.
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I missed the saturday game due a week-end break out of reach of any TV and evidently I didn't miss much.
Suffice to say that I am disapointed that we lost and gutted at the 5-2 score. Same score as in Feb, but with ten men which makes it only slightly better. So no obvious comparison with Arry on this one.
Lloris should have been a starter from day one as far as I am concerned. There is no disputing how good Friedel has been, but he has never been a long term solution. Look at Saha and Nielsen last season!
I hope to see Friedel in Europa on Thursday and Lloris in the league at the week-end where he belongs.
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I wish the player power would work so that Dawson gets back in the team. His few outings have been rather promising.
I agree. I saw him in the European game and I was impressed with him.
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I wish the player power would work so that Dawson gets back in the team. His few outings have been rather promising.
Sorry Riff he's too slow and also switches off. A good squad member, no more. When we get Kaboul and BAE fit, Walker/Kaboul/Verthongen/BAE will be our best back 4 by far.
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I wish the player power would work so that Dawson gets back in the team. His few outings have been rather promising.
Sorry Riff he's too slow and also switches off. A good squad member, no more. When we get Kaboul and BAE fit, Walker/Kaboul/Verthongen/BAE will be our best back 4 by far.
Can't be worse than Gallas is at the moment. The problem with Spurs is that there's always someone missing and when the club says someone will be out for three months, make it five. So, I really don't expect to see Assou-Ekotto and Kaboul in the near future. Same thing applies to Parker and Dembélé.
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I wish the player power would work so that Dawson gets back in the team. His few outings have been rather promising.
Sorry Riff he's too slow and also switches off. A good squad member, no more. When we get Kaboul and BAE fit, Walker/Kaboul/Verthongen/BAE will be our best back 4 by far.
Can't be worse than Gallas is at the moment. The problem with Spurs is that there's always someone missing and when the club says someone will be out for three months, make it five. So, I really don't expect to see Assou-Ekotto and Kaboul in the near future. Same thing applies to Parker and Dembélé.
Agreed.
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I wish the player power would work so that Dawson gets back in the team. His few outings have been rather promising.
Sorry Riff he's too slow and also switches off. A good squad member, no more. When we get Kaboul and BAE fit, Walker/Kaboul/Verthongen/BAE will be our best back 4 by far.
I agree, but until we get a fit back four then it might be worth giving him a go.
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Quite honestly any keeper would struggle behind our makeshift defence. We have no left back, an over the hill CB and RB out of form. Coupled with the ever slower Huddlestone, who just stands and watches players go past him, is it all any wonder ? Lloris is in, and in to stay IMO.
bang on
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Criticism where criticisms due. Is Huddlestone actually a tree? I am sure I could see roots sprouting on Saturday. Him and Dempsey are our worst players at the moment, cannot pass, cannot move and not much desire either.
I think Lloris was also pretty poor, but agree he needs time in the team.
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Lloris in against Lazio, now is this to give him more game time to help him settle quicker or will he be dropped this weekend?
Good to see Dembele on the bench, we cant afford to rush him back though.
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Well played Lloris, no way he will be dropped for the next game now!
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Hope not, we need stability at the back and i want to keep Lloris great assest and good signing. I want him to believe his future is with THFC
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Well played Lloris, no way he will be dropped for the next game now!
I dont think so. AVB has made up his mind I think. No way back for Friedal, not his fault but Lloris is our future, and he needs to be no1 in his mind to perform his best.
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Well played Lloris, no way he will be dropped for the next game now!
I agree he should play on Sunday, but I am not sure it is a done deal.
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I would like to see Dawson play in place of Gallas that would definitely strengthen the defence, what about this for a line-up: Lloris , Walker-Dawson-Caulker-Vertongen, Lennon-Sandro-Dembele-Carroll-Bale, Defoe . Whilst I am not in favour of playing this formation at home (4-5-1) with Ade out, this would allow Lennon/Dembele/Bale to support Defoe up front. AVB has to make a decision regarding the Keeper, he cannot keep alternating between the 2,(England tried it years ago with Shilton and Clemence, and it didn't work) and live with it even if it means losing one of them. I don't think Carroll deserves to be dropped and Dempsey does not work hard enough nor is he good enough. Thoughts please.
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I will be very disappointed if AVB now drops Lloris, in this position we have to move on establish Lloris as no1 and start looking for a decent number 2 for next season, we wouldn't be doing badly if we convinced Gomes to stay for that role but i think he will be off.
Doesnt Gallas currently wear the captains armband, unless injured I cant see AVB dropping him or putting in Dawson. Shame as i really believe Dawson is still the player that shone for us before his injury and only game time will see that form re-appear and I hope it happens with us not another team.
Again with Ade's suspension it highlights hugely our striker crisis, only Defoe to choose from, if he gets injured who next Gomes?
In short Paul, I like your formation and team selection, certainly the strongest we could field with the players available. IMO Dempsey needs to sort his act out and at best sits on the bench if not the reserves until he realizes he is here to play football professionally and not a sunday afternoon kick about after beer and dinner.
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I would like to see Dawson play in place of Gallas that would definitely strengthen the defence, what about this for a line-up: Lloris , Walker-Dawson-Caulker-Vertongen, Lennon-Sandro-Dembele-Carroll-Bale, Defoe . Whilst I am not in favour of playing this formation at home (4-5-1) with Ade out, this would allow Lennon/Dembele/Bale to support Defoe up front. AVB has to make a decision regarding the Keeper, he cannot keep alternating between the 2,(England tried it years ago with Shilton and Clemence, and it didn't work) and live with it even if it means losing one of them. I don't think Carroll deserves to be dropped and Dempsey does not work hard enough nor is he good enough. Thoughts please.
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Ok here goes...
If we are going to play 4-5-1 or 4-2-3-1, then I see no problem with your line up. I agree with Carroll for Demsey and making Lloris the out and out number 1.
I guess the issue is not the formation. As playing this formation or 4-4-2 could equally work well. The real issues are to play a formation which suits the players you have coupled with the style and tactics that creates chances and is defensively solid.
4-2-3-1 gives protection for the back, whilst having a penetrating 3 pronged attack with Dembele linking the play from defence to attack. The play can move through the middle or down either flank but with Defoe up front the ball will mainly have to be played to feet. Bale and Lennon would cut inside to attack directly or pick Defoe or the late arriving Dembele to direct these passes at goal. We lose the option for crosses and headers and Bale and Lennon would not play to the byline and whip crosses in. To play with a small guy up top you need to play a little like Barca. Or the striker needs to be a complete one, is strong, who can hold up the ball to bring others into play, can head the ball well, has pace and takes the chances when they come. Drogba, Torres (in the old days) or Van persie are masters of this.
4-4-2 needs one defensive midfielder who will be a work horse, cutting out passes, tackling hard but fair, winning the ball and then making simple passes to the players who will create. There are two serious combinations available here, either to have a box to box player, who can also pick a pass, and has the flair to get past a player and create space in front of him. Dembele fits this role well. Or to have a deep lying playmaker who can dictate the play from further back, making short and safe passes to get out of defence when needed, not giving the ball away in dangerous positions or picking out long passes to the forwards, or wingers or will then cross the ball quickly for the attackers to score. Modric was perfect for this. Both these roles also give additional defensive protection. By playing 2 up front it allows the crosses to come high or along the ground, or you can clear the ball to the big guy to hold up the ball or head down for other players to run on to. Ade / Defoe could work well here.
If we are going to play 4-2-3-1 I think we need to direct the transfer funds to a striker who can play that role up front. If we are going to play 4-4-2 then we still desperately need a striker (maybe a young up and coming) but most of the cash needs to be spent on a creative midfielder.
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Player power is immense, and always has been. Our squad hated playing for Santini and Ramos, and towards the end Jol lost respect as well. I believe that players are quite prepared to lose games in order they can get a boss they respect and understand.
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Dimexi,
I am talking about the team to play on Sunday v West Ham, not for the remainder of the season, maybe I didn't make myself clear. This team is for the short term not the long term. I think the long term team virtually picks itself, would you not agree.
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In which case, my statement saying if we play this formation, I agree with your choices. As Defoe is the only striker, we have to play that formation.
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Do you agree with Dawson replacing Gallas, I just have my doubts about Gallas? Obviously as soon as Ade is available after his suspension then we can revert back to 4-4-2, the problem will be who to leave out? Add to that the other missing players returning! But I still think we need 2 more players,(a creative midfielder and another striker to strengthen the squad.
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Yes, I have always rated Dawson and would be my number one choice for CB, with the other place going to Vertonghen once BAE returns. I think Caulker deserves his place ahead of Gallas too. Lloris is a better choice than Friedel as he is able to play that sweeper role, which you need when playing a high defensive line. When Ade returns I think it will be Carrol who makes way.
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Do you agree with Dawson replacing Gallas, I just have my doubts about Gallas? Obviously as soon as Ade is available after his suspension then we can revert back to 4-4-2, the problem will be who to leave out? Add to that the other missing players returning! But I still think we need 2 more players,(a creative midfielder and another striker to strengthen the squad.
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Last summer's signings of Sigurdsen and Demspey or even Dembele have not in any way replaced the likes of Modric or VDV. So, yes, the squad needs strengthening with a striker and a creative midfielder. We also await the return of Kaboul & BAE to shore up the back, not forgetting Parker . Vital if we want to move in the right direction.
I woul be surprised if Levy splashes a sigificant amount of cash in January?
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So would I, so I'm not holding my breath, if he doesn't, we might find more players leaving at the end of the season and that would be disastrous.
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We looked alot more solid at the back against wet spam, Lloris now with a few games under his belt is looking settled and utter quality!
Good to see Dembele have a short run out, looking forward to seeing him back to his best for us.
Dempsey looked like the player we brought in, maybe he has been sending his clone recently, much better performance same again please CDQ