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Tottenham Discussion => Spurs Chat => Topic started by: SpursLad on March 25, 2007, 01:42:11 PM
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Basically which would you prefer to start upfront with Berba more often and why?
Which would you prefer to stay if one was off in the summer and why?
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As much as I like Defoe and I think hes a great player, Keane is just suited too Berbatov, they've scored a s**t load of goals between them when they play together.
Still like Defoe and for his sake I hope he starts scoring soon.
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I think the facts speak for themselves, they score bags of goals together. So Keane gets my vote. But i would still like Defoe to stay and fight for his place. He's arguably our most natural goalscorer.
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Keane at the moment
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:rofl:
Wait, you mean this is a serious question?
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:rofl:
Wait, you mean this is a serious question?
:yeahthat:
There is no question Keane is the better out and out striker, he's not just a goalscorer but a play maker aswell, imo defoe is just lazy but i suppose he isn't a bad second choice striker.!
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keane is the better striker no doubt about it although defoe is a good second choice striker i find him too lazy, and when he does get into good position lets be honest he doesnt usually make alot of it
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defoe.
keane is brilliant player but he isnt a striker. he cant finish to save his life. we cant aford to lose either. dont see why we have to we dont need to shange anything up front if were scoring 4 per game.
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Keane has better chemistry with Berbatov, and in team sports, chemistry makes or breaks your chances to go big. That being said, I'd like to hang onto Defoe as well if at all possible.
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I picked Keane. I like defoe, and im sure he'll stay, but keane is a better all-round player than Defoe imo. And i couldnt see Jol selling robbie after giving him the vice-captaincy, that'd be a weird choice by him if he did so.
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defoe.
keane is brilliant player but he isnt a striker. he cant finish to save his life.
Career games per goal for Tottenham Hotspur;
Defoe: Played 138, Goals 43, Games per Goal: 3.209
Keane: Played 191, Goals 76, Games per Goal: 2.513
Mido: Played 58, Goals 19, Games per Goal: 3.05
Berbatov: Played 39, Goals 19, Games per Goal: 2.05
Even before I checked out the stats I would always pick Keane over Defoe. Keane has a better awareness about him regarding team mates and his positioning is better than Defoe. Keane can read a game better and if push comes to shove Keane can make a difference elsewhere on the pitch as per the Chelsea league match at White Hart Lane when he played left sided (left back for the last 20 mins!) and ensured the win.
Defoe is a decent player but is more single minded. Goes for goal 90% of the time regardless if there is someone else in a better position (because he does not look and does not know if there is a player in a better position).
I'm glad both are at the club but it's Keane everytime for me.
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yeah i completley agree defoe seems to just wait for the ball to come ot him, whereas keane looks for the ball.
Keane every time, but Defoe isn't a bad striker to have :)
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Career games per goal for Tottenham Hotspur;
Defoe: Played 138, Goals 43, Games per Goal: 3.209
Keane: Played 191, Goals 76, Games per Goal: 2.513
Mido: Played 58, Goals 19, Games per Goal: 3.05
Berbatov: Played 39, Goals 19, Games per Goal: 2.05
Even before I checked out the stats I would always pick Keane over Defoe. Keane has a better awareness about him regarding team mates and his positioning is better than Defoe. Keane can read a game better and if push comes to shove Keane can make a difference elsewhere on the pitch as per the Chelsea league match at White Hart Lane when he played left sided (left back for the last 20 mins!) and ensured the win.
Defoe is a decent player but is more single minded. Goes for goal 90% of the time regardless if there is someone else in a better position (because he does not look and does not know if there is a player in a better position).
I'm glad both are at the club but it's Keane everytime for me.
Doesn't quite square with my perception that JD is an awesome finisher who will fashion a shot, usually on target, from almost anywhere, either foot, minimal backlift, whereas Keano, for all his sterling qualities, can be a bit wasteful (flicks that go nowhere rather than controlling and playing someone in; not reliable one on one with the keeper).
Comparing goals per game may be a bit misleading: how many of Jermain's have been brief substitute appearances?
Personally I would favour JD: as a confidence player (when not being messed around by Sven for example), I think he is a fantastic out and out striker. But then I am not exactly heartbroken to see Robbie on the team sheet! Thinking about some of the players we have used up front in the past, we are lucky to have such a choice:spoton:
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very true. you can trust JD in front of goal 9/10 times, unlike keane, and you have to admit he misswes alot of "sitters"
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I'd pick Defoe, he would score so much more if he got a decent run in the first team and Berbatov would make goals for him. I agree he doesn't create like Keane but he's such a good goalscorer
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I love Defoe, but will plumpt for Keane. He just shows a lot of passion and commitment and always seems to pull something out of the bag
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Why always stick to 4-4-2 system?
I suggest here 3 top 4-3-1-2 formation.
Keane is brilliant. I like him. BTW Why does't he roll himself on ground after scoring nowadays? I really like the goal ceremony. It absorbs attentions.
But, can Keane dribble, skin defenders and get a goal? I'd say no.
Berbatov is an artist on the ground. His passes and shots make wonderful sceans. But, can he do such things above? He either.
How about Defoe? He can!!!. He can skin a couple of defenders and shoot and get a goal like ronaldo in M.-U.
We can use three of them on 4-3-1-2 formation. I would call it POWER TH FORMATION (SQUAD).
Robinson
Chimbo Rocha (King) Dawson Lee
Stalteri Jenas (Huddlestone) Lennon
Defoe
Keane Berbatov
Game or play maker is Jenas. I think Huddlestone is better. But he has been injured. Jenas directs everything from defense to attacks. A ball starts from him so to speak.
I would like to see Stalteri as right wing as I suggested in the other post. I think he can play the part. He will move well as a right wing, I think.
Lennon can move as left winger as well as right winger. No doubt about it.
Keane and Berbatov are in good harmony. They make chance and get goals. Also Defoe - Keane - Berbatov triangle should work to make chance and goals.
While Keane and Berbatov are in good chemistry, Defoe can get a score for himself. He can dribble, skin, shoot. But, he can be also in harmony with Berba and Keane also and Stalteri and Lennon.
When Stalteri and Lennon moves down to the goal of the other team, it will be 'attack pentagon'. Of course it can move and reshape like amoeba.
Our team can take both of 442 and 4312. 442 for usual teams and 4312 for strong team. When in 442, Zokora, Tainio, Marblanque, Gahly can play as midfielders. Such uses of players will be good when we are in tough schedules.
Mido can play in stead of Defoe. Mido seems not so good this season, but he is good 'header'. He is better than any one else about heading. But, as I understand he is likely to leave TH sooner or later.
What do you say to it above?
POWER TH FORMATION is likely to be for big 4 in epl.
Our team is strong to weak teams and weak to strong teams. I think it's sort of good in terms of devising strategies and tactics.
Football is interesting!!
p.s. I even thought of Defoe as right winger. But, he seems to be a little slow and also he is somewhat small. If Defoe is right winger, both wingers (lennon and defoe) are small which is not good, I think.
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I think they can both be guilty of missing sitters and giving stupid balls away but for me Robbie shows more passion and never stops running his backside off even when he's having a nightmare of a match and nothing's going right for him.
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if tha was our formation it would make sense for keane to be the play maker not defoe
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Defoe to me is the better 'Striker', because when you put him down to score, he will 9/10 score.
However, I would pick Keane in front of JD anyday. This is because Keane's work rate and commitment to Spurs compared to Jermain's is out of this world.
As someone mentioned above, Keane goes looking for the ball, and sometimes even tracks back to try and retreive it, whereas Defoe stands up the other end of the pitch waiting for it to come to him.
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i think defoe deffo[no pun inteded] has alot to work on. his overall game isnt great. but what he can do cant be taught. hes a natural finisher.
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Keane anyday, tons more commitment.
Defoe is good but i think he is 1 of these who is playing alot more for the money than for enjoyment of the game. Dont think he would care too much who he was playing for.
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keane by an absolute country mile!
Puts ina 110 per cent evry game win, lose or draw whereas defoe can turn it on when it suits him, otherwise just lazy.
Keane loves playing for Spurs as hes already mentioned would love to finish his career with us.
Proved on countless occasion he's got a better chemistry up front with Berbatov, who let's face it is going to be playing a hell of a lot more than Mido any season.
Vice captain of the club, would be a much bigger loss to the club, not just the first team than defoe would be.
Proved he can stick it out on the bench and still stay commited to our cause when he's needed.
And finally is just a better player anyway than defoe is, more technical ability.
Also whats happened to Barnard this year? He was knockinon the front door of a first team place last year and now nothings been mentioned of him this year.
Surely cant do any harm to have given the lad a run out? No worse than Mido anyway :dunno:
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Jermain Defoe. Although I love them both.
Keane has only scored 3 league goals this season which weren't from penalties.
However having said that, I think Keane works better with Berbatov then Defoe does, but Berbatov works better with Defoe than he does with Keane.
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Always have been, always will be a Defoe man. Keane has always been a favourite of mine but JD will get you more goals. I'd love to keep them both but I doubt this can go on for much longer.
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Defoe is the better goal scorer, while Keano has more tricks up his sleeve.
Still think Keane and Berbatov work better than Defoe and Berbatov..
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Keane to stay. He's always been one of my faves & is more of a 'team' player than Defoe.
Lisa x
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ive only started to rate defoe the last few games his played where hes created some chances, but still i think keane is the better team player. Defoe is the player that when he is on goal and has the chance to play it back to someone in a better position just goes for goal. I think this is the difference between keane and defoe. keane thinks about the players around him as well as goal.
he also gets into some great positions :)
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Why always stick to 4-4-2 system?
Berbatov is an artist on the ground. His passes and shots make wonderful sceans. But, can he do such things above? He either.
How about Defoe? He can!!!. He can skin a couple of defenders and shoot and get a goal like ronaldo in M.-U.
Football is a team-sport and Defoe is a bit far away from being a team-player. 9/10 of these occasion you talk about he would try to skin two defenders and shoot even though there's an unmarked Spurs player in the box ... And naturally, because his shots are all power fluke-based he will miss the goal in 50% of the occasions ...
And we stick to the 4-4-2, because both Lennon and Defoe suck at defending ...
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Keane to stay. He's always been one of my faves & is more of a 'team' player than Defoe.
Agree. I've said this before in another post,
Defoe is only in it for himself, whereas Keane wants to win for the team.
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Always Keane. Because of his commitment and the obvious chemistry with Berbatov. As somebody mentioned, Robbie tries to get the ball, Jermain very often just waits for it. The problem with Robbie is that sometimes he comes too deep and sometimes drifts out wide (I swear he thinks he's a winger).
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i went for defoe but only just, i just think he is the more natural striker of the two.he's shown time and time again that given a run of at LEAST five or six games he will score goals (eg keanes injury in december).i think jol likes the combo of berbs and keane too much because no matter how well defoe will play, keane will replace him not matter what which is quite unfair on defoe, and personally believe he will be on his way in the summer because of the treatment he gets by MJ.
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Based on recent performace I would have to say Keane. His partnership with Berba has worked extrememly well. That said I am still a fan of Defoe and wouldn't like to see him go, he is a great natural goalscorer imo more so than Keane.
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Keane is definately the much better player in my opinion. Defoe is a bit lazy where as Keane puts more effort in. Keane and Berbatov are definately the best strikers we have at the moment. Hopefully both will stay with us for the rest of their careers.
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Keane without a doubt. Defoe is too frustrating, how many times in a game is he caught offside