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Tottenham Discussion => Spurs Chat => Topic started by: Gareth Keown on August 19, 2010, 09:01:18 PM
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and when I say here, I mean with the Spurs fanbase in general ??.... here me out..
when ex-Gunner O'Hara played for Spurs he was always 1 of the favourites cos of his simple-minded British-Bulldog attitude, that most Spurs fans class as passion and commitment... and thres nowt wrong with that... some will say that he was released by Ars*nal before signing professional forms...
but then theres the quite recent case of a certain David Bentley.... a Gunner thru-n-thru who played well for them, but was moved on all the same as he was thought (wrongly it seems) as not good enough....
why was there no howling uproar from the lilywhite (in more ways than 1) fanbase at Spurs over the 17m pound arrival of the over-rated Bentley ??.... no call to arms.... no threats of violence to the Spurs hierachy.... in fact.... no backlash whatsoever...
yet.... as we approach the arrival of 1 of the worlds great defenders of the past decade, who at 32yrs+ is still a better athlete than 'some CBs at Spurs' (the names escape me currently), has fantastic CL experience, Prem-winning experience, captaining experience with club and country, etc etc etc... and theres a huge negative vibe, and a seething undercurrent of hostility and pure venom at the thought of him donning a Spurs shirt..
the sheer difference in reception of the 2 players must beg the question which nobody wants mentioned... and no, I'm not being deliberately provocative, I'm really just genuinely curious...
if only William Gallas had blond hair and blue eyes ..... things might just be different..
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Ehmm.. there never was any racist remarks against Gallas really. We are even linked with Hleb! and im not accepting that even though he has blue eyes and Blond hair. See that? I dont know where your coming from with racism. If racist was the cause of the hate towards Gallas. By all means i think we should hate Lennon, Defoe, Hudds or anyone who is colored. Digging what im saying Gareth?
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and when I say here, I mean with the Spurs fanbase in general ??.... here me out..
when ex-Gunner O'Hara played for Spurs he was always 1 of the favourites cos of his simple-minded British-Bulldog attitude, that most Spurs fans class as passion and commitment... and thres nowt wrong with that... some will say that he was released by Ars*nal before signing professional forms...
but then theres the quite recent case of a certain David Bentley.... a Gunner thru-n-thru who played well for them, but was moved on all the same as he was thought (wrongly it seems) as not good enough....
why was there no howling uproar from the lilywhite (in more ways than 1) fanbase at Spurs over the 17m pound arrival of the over-rated Bentley ??.... no call to arms.... no threats of violence to the Spurs hierachy.... in fact.... no backlash whatsoever...
yet.... as we approach the arrival of 1 of the worlds great defenders of the past decade, who at 32yrs+ is still a better athlete than 'some CBs at Spurs' (the names escape me currently), has fantastic CL experience, Prem-winning experience, captaining experience with club and country, etc etc etc... and theres a huge negative vibe, and a seething undercurrent of hostility and pure venom at the thought of him donning a Spurs shirt..
the sheer difference in reception of the 2 players must beg the question which nobody wants mentioned... and no, I'm not being deliberately provocative, I'm really just genuinely curious...
if only William Gallas had blond hair and blue eyes ..... things might just be different..
Seriously mate what the flying f*ck are you on, seriouslyI have never seen someone talk so much sh*t in my entire life. Of course its ot racism, its the the fact the we think he's a mentally unstable c*nt!!
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so, he's a mentally unstable c*nt.... and thats your professional medical opinion is it ??....hope they pick up on that diagnosis in the medical tomorrow.....
that of course will be the 'fig-leaf' that you 'experts' will rant behind.... its going to be an interesting social experiment for sure: watching a bunch of white-van driving Sun-readers adjust to the idea of a non-white non-English ex-Ars*nal player not only replacing the beloved Dawson in the side, but also captaining it in King's absence..
amazing tho how in contrast.....O'Hara...... Bentley....... = 1 of 'us'
Love Spurs vs Hate Ars*nal...... or just........ Love vs Hate..
I wander which will win this particular battle..
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Never said it was my "proffesional" opinion, it just my opinion mate, thats what this forum is about sharing your opinions, you just seem to read way too much into everything, like you're looking for some hidden message that doesn't exist. So i can assure you there is nothing hidden in what I say, I don't like Gallas, and there is no way in hell Harry would put him as ctp, your truely are one deluded f8ck if you believe that.
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^^Agreed. There is no racism in this mate, what are you on about!?!?
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If hating gooners or ex gooners is considered as racism, then yeah it's racism :lol:
But seriously, i don't think we would be acting any different no matter who the player was.
There one thing that is different about them others players you are mentioning, Gallas is Ex Ars*nal Captain.
But like i said in the other thread, if this is happening now, we have got to trust harry and forget how we feel about him. If Gallas can help us to a trophy this season, we will all forget about it.
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I really hope youre right and that Gallasgate will blow over soon..... when Campbell crossed over he may have got a similar (but much lesser in degree) reaction from their fans, but very soon he was welcomed as 1 of their own, with no reservations and not having to prove himself above and beyond the other players..
if Gallas plays for us, I hope that from Day1 the fans dont give him a negative reaction.... he's a Spurs player now (it seems) and they should treat him just like a player of his professional-status in the game, ability and experience should dictate..
if it doesnt happen..... I think there will be severe repercussions throughout the squad, with perhaps alot of the coloured players thinking Gallas is copping unfair flak that BENTLEY NEVER HAD TO GO THRU.... thats the moot point in all of this..
personally, I have a feeling he will play on the rightside of central-defence, as we have King and the left-footed Bassong covering leftside CB..... this will mean replacing a crowd-favourite Mr Bokey-Bloke Dawson...... which will compound the whole problem even further..
Arry may find that the crowd will put undue pressure on Gallas during games because of this, and chant Dawson's name throughout games....talk about pressurising your own team..... if this happens Arry may eithe be forced to play Dawson.... or sell him.
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I don't care whether Gallas is white, black, red or yellow. What bothers me is his nature. There have been problems and scandals with him in every f**king team he has played for. Oh, and Gareth, believe me, buying Bentley was also not a very popular decision back then, even though we are his favourite club. Gallas has not only played for Ars*nal (and captained them), he played for Chelsea as well. Actually the bottom line is that it's not that relevant that he has been a gooner, it's his nature and ego that bother us.
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if its a question of nature and ego, then lets get back to Bentley shall we...
since he arrived he has thrown many a strop and even REFUSING TO PLAY in a reserve-game when he wasnt getting a game in the Prem..... the guy also has a very high opinion of himself well beyond his level of ability and realised potential... unlike Gallas who has been at the very top and excelled at that level, winning many trophies along the way...
alot of players like Gallas, due to them being foreign will get very little objectivity from the tabloid Press in Britain who will be ready to slaughter them and exxagerate every little ripple or percieved misdemeanor... Galllas is a prime example....he was wrong to publicallly criticise his Arse players for lack of focus/drive and demanding the club got in more experienced players at high prices.... but that in a way showed his own drive to succeed and push others to match him in this..... having already wonmultiple titles and cups with Chavski, he could easily havejust gone to Arse for a bus-ride and a nice payday.... he didnt... he wanted to win and showed his willingness to draw ire by pushing others to match his drive to succeed..
as for 'that day' when he was in tears after a game, well whats so bad about that.... it hurt him to lose.... isnt that the sort of commitment you want from a player in your team and taking your money (if youre more than an armchair-fan)... I would imagine if Dawson 'did a Gazza' by shedding a few tears, the Spurs fans reaction would be entirely different and they would love him for it even more....
double-standards.
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OMG a bit of a reaction to Gareth's post, well you guys are not going to like the news, according to Redknapp, and reported by soccernet, skysports, and several other sites Gallas is signing a one year contract.
Gallas played a few seasons for Ars*nal get over it, he was at Chelsea and Marseille first, personally in the circumstances that we haven't been able to get anyone else, and there is less than two weeks left in the window, we desperately needed decent cover for CB, and Gallas brings with him a wealth of experience particularly in CL, I would rather Shawcross, Cahill, Subotic, young talented players that have even greater potential, but I can see why Harry has gone for experience in this instance, he denied it but I think he hasn't been given the green light to spend, he has limited funds until and if we make it past Young Boys, as he has only
been after freebies and loans.
Redknapp confirms Gallas to sign for Spurs
By Soccernet staff
Gallas will undergo a medical on Friday afternoon before making Tottenham the third club he has represented in London.
"He's a no-brainer on a free transfer," Redknapp said. "He's never asked for big money here. The chairman's agreed a one-year contract with him and the wages are more than reasonable."
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=815862&sec=transfers&cc=3436&cc=5739 (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=815862&sec=transfers&cc=3436&cc=5739)
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this is what Wenger said about Gallas today :-
"William has an exaggerated bad reputation. I believe that he is a genuine winner," said the Ars*nal manager.
"He wants things not to be done at 90% and is completely focused and motivated to win.
"He can be sometimes, a little bit brutal or impulsive in his reaction - but when you are a manager, he is not someone who talks behind your back.
"William is somebody who is straight and is completely focused on the game. You respect that."
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I am not taking sides here as Gareth's article about racism may have been of the mark, I don't think he meant to directly accuse anyone of it, but rather tried to explain it, even though it may have been a a little presumptious, but Harry has came out and stuck up for Gallas, defending his character maybe a few will take notice who knows?
Gallas has done nothing wrong' insists Redknapp
Harry Redknapp confirmed the capture of William Gallas and then told Tottenham fans to get behind the former Ars*nal captain because 'he's done nothing wrong'. Gallas' switch to White Hart Lane may not prove the most popular among certain Spurs fans, who have grown to loathe one of Ars*nal's more animated players. However, Redknapp says the France international is desperate to do well at his new club, and he described Gallas as a 'world class defender' who represents a 'terrific deal' for the club. "He's not the first player to go from Ars*nal to Tottenham," said the Spurs boss. "It happens all the time; Tevez went from United to City. Gallas was at Chelsea [before Ars*nal] where he won all sorts. "He's a footballer, he's a smashing fella, he wants to play for Tottenham and that's all that counts. He's got the bottle to play here and I'm sure anybody who wants to play for Tottenham will get a good reception. "He's a nice guy, what's he done wrong? He's played football all his life, now he's going to play here." Gallas has had some high profile on-pitch dramas over the years, none more so than when he aimed a flying kick at the advertising hoardings and then cried in the middle of the pitch when Ars*nal let a lead slip at Birmingham. Redknapp believes that merely shows the player's winning mentality."I don't think his attitude's in question. The only problem he has is that he gets annoyed with people who aren't as professional as he is. That's not a bad thing. "If he can bring that to this squad, he's got vast experience and he's a world class player. On a free transfer he's a terrific deal for us."http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/40408.html?CMP=OTC-RSS (http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/40408.html?CMP=OTC-RSS)
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Accusations of racism at a club that has suffered years of anti-semitism are a bit hard to take. We have welcomed players of all creeds and colours over the years. I dont care who Gallas has played for in the past as long as he plays well for us he will have my full support, and I should imagine that of any genuine Spurs fan. To be honest the hatred of all things Ars*nal is getting a bit old. A bit of banter and some rivalry is ok but outright hatred of a guy down your street just because he chooses to follow a different team is really just as pathetic as hating somebody based on the colour of their skin.
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Great post, totally agreed, in the modern day game football is a business aswell, these things happen players move from rivals both ways, all that matters is the quality of the player, and what they can do for us.
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well said Taimedowne..... and well said Arry..
I wqsnt accusing anyone directly of racism, but I just felt somebody had to put it 'out there' for discussion...
my whole point is that other white and English players have crossed the divide eg. Bentley and even O'Hara, and theres not been such a backlash as what the hint of Gallas' arrival is causing... if we were getting Alex Hleb on a free-transfer or even Robert Pires I really dont think there'd be this uproar at all..
most say that its Gallas' 'mental state' they dont like...... for what exactly ??..... telling his teammates they had to give it 100% to win the title ??.... Crying cos of what happened to a teammate having his foot nearly severed off or not claiming the vital 3pts against Birmingham when Arse had a chance of winning the title 5-6 games to go ??...
anyway.... the real proof of the pudding is what happens when he steps on the pitch at WHL.... where will Arry play him ??.... if rightside CB (as most his career) then Dawson is for the bench.... how will the fans take to that ??..... will he play on Wednesday ??...
watch this space..
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I dont think he's eligible for Wednesday I believe we had to name a squad for the qualifiers. Although obviously he will be available should we make the group stage where his experience will prove invaluable.
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even if he was eligible, I wouldnt play him in such a cauldron as a CL decider, for his 1st game at WHL (unless its unavoidable)..
I hope that now we do have that nrew CB, then Kaboul doesnt have to be used AS EXPERIENCED cover both CB and RB and can therefore now be played freely in the team...
Wednesday's Back4 :-
Kaboul..........Dawson...........King..........BAE
we'd do well with this I feel..
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It's not racism you idiot it's to do with him and the fact that he's an Ex Gooner
You say Bentley and O'Hara are ex Gooners so just for arguments sake how many appearances did the pair make for the first team............ err just the one combined. All knowing Gareth you forgot Clive Allen who holds our scoring record of 49 goals in a season he came from the Gooners but we love him, you probably know why but just in case as I suspect you know as much about Spurs as you do about football he was at the Woolwich Wanderers for 9 days.
How many appearances has Gallas made 101 and he was also their captain, it's that simple we don't like him because he was a regular first team player for our nearest and bitterest rivals. If your a true Spurs fan you will know your history and why we hate the Scum down the road so I won't bother explaining because you seem to know much more than all the rest of us.
If he does come which is looking likely then we'll have too put up with it and lump it. If he cocks up or chucks his toys out the pram, god help him
BUT WE STILL DON'T HAVE TOO LIKE HIM !!!!!!!
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then youre a sad little man..
Gallas played for Ars*nal, he also played for Chelsea.... he is French so I dpubt playing for Ars*nal meant alot to him beyond it being a v.good team playing regularly in the CL and with a French coach with a few French-speaking players... so get over yourself..
if thats really the attitude of the majority of Spurs fans, then we really will fall flat on our faces this year, and deserve to.... Did Ars*nal make such a fuss when Campbel went over ??.... NO.... did they take him as 1 of their own.... YES..
do you know the amount of bottle Gallas is showing even coming to WHL, never mind playing CL games for us ??....
I think ppl like you have a huge inferiority-complex with Ars*nal.... it shows itself in sheer arrogance and blind hatred... abit of rivalry and banter is fine, but lets not take it to such extremes eh... at the end of the day..
its only a game of football.
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then youre a sad little man..
Gallas played for Ars*nal, he also played for Chelsea.... he is French so I dpubt playing for Ars*nal meant alot to him beyond it being a v.good team playing regularly in the CL and with a French coach with a few French-speaking players... so get over yourself..
if thats really the attitude of the majority of Spurs fans, then we really will fall flat on our faces this year, and deserve to.... Did Ars*nal make such a fuss when Campbel went over ??.... NO.... did they take him as 1 of their own.... YES..
do you know the amount of bottle Gallas is showing even coming to WHL, never mind playing CL games for us ??....
I think ppl like you have a huge inferiority-complex with Ars*nal.... it shows itself in sheer arrogance and blind hatred... abit of rivalry and banter is fine, but lets not take it to such extremes eh... at the end of the day..
its only a game of football.
Sol Campbell was at the height of his career and screwed us over telling us he wanted time then walked away costing the club around £15million at the time, so no it's nowhere near the same situation. What we are getting is a has been that is at the end of his career and has a dodgy mental streak Ok he may be able to do a job for a season or two, and I accept that if 'Arry wants him then 'Arry gonna have him but I and many others don't have to like it !!
Just for your info I'm over 6 foot and if you listen to the radio and all the phone ins etc I would say 80% of the callers are in agreement with what I've said. I don't know about you but I've supportted this club for over 40 years and remember when Pat Jennings went to Ars*nal, he did it the right way and was always welcomed back to the Lane.
I don't have a complex about Ars*nal I just really don't like them, I was born within 3 miles of WHL and lived in Hornsey and Edmonton so I've lived it and tasted it mate... have you ever walked down Seven Sisters Road (if you know where that is) on a derby day, because if you have then you would understand the situation alot better !
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if Campbell had said that he wanted to join Ars*nal before his contract ended, he would have burnt his bridges with Spurs AND been at the mercy of Ars*nal offering him any decent deal.... its just common-sense..
Campbell didnt really owe Spurs anything when he left, having given many years to the cause.... also Spurs didnt lose money on him cos he didnt cost hem anything to start with..
Campbell went at the time to a stronger club cos he wanted to win medals with a club that could offer him that, that allowed him to stay near his family in London, that offered him a great wage...... what PROFESSIONAL footballer or anyone else in a job, should refuse that ??
get over Campbell.... he has.... Ars*nal have..... time to let it go, you'll feel better for it..
and yeah, I get the ole rivalry thingy, most every club has that with another club.... but the club you support is bigger than what its individual employees choose to do within their God-given human-rights...
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http://www.guardian-series.co.uk/sport/spurs/8345216.SPURS_BLOG__Forget_the_Ars*nal_connection__Gallas_move_smacks_of_desperation/ (http://www.guardian-series.co.uk/sport/spurs/8345216.SPURS_BLOG__Forget_the_Ars*nal_connection__Gallas_move_smacks_of_desperation/)
http://www.dearmrlevy.com/dml/2010/8/19/levy-dont-even-think-about-it.html (http://www.dearmrlevy.com/dml/2010/8/19/levy-dont-even-think-about-it.html)
This kind of sums up the mood nicely, I think !
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As long as he scores against the scum, I have made my peace with the deal.
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Whatever Sol Campbells personnel motives were, and to be fair we were in the doldrums when he left. He showed an alarming lack of judgement to leave the way he did. To say he owed us nothing is a bit wide of the mark, Spurs took a young boy and moulded him into a top flight footballer without us he may well never have made it. To be honest and in hindsight he was probably badly advised by his agent these parasites dont care about loyalty or honour only cash although anyone who has spent anytime at Spurs would surely know that going to Ars*nal was never going to go down to well with the Spurs faithfull. I will never forgive him and I will never forget but I dont lie in bed at night fretting about it, life goes on. The Gallas situation is different the Gooners wanted him to stay for sure but he knew he was out of favour and had left not knowing where his future lay that he has ended up with us probably surprises him as much as anybody. Also if I recall correctly he never pushed for a move to Ars*nal but was used as a makeweight in the Cashley Cole deal and went somewhat reluctantly if memory serves. Personaly I welcome him I hope he enjoys his time with us and helps us to a trophy or two, We need all the good players we can get particulaly in an area where we are struggling to keep players fit his experience can only help us become a more solid defensive unit and if he can pass on some of his knowledge to our younger players all the better.
Gareth Keowns ( any relation to Martin) arrival on here has certainly livened things up. I dont always agree with him but he has sure sparked of some lively debates which are always welcome.
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I think that Gallas is displaying a lot of mental strength already. He has vast experience and that can only be to our advantage. He must surely be aware that his performances will be under the microscope and he will be under extreme pressure the moment he steps on to the field. If he is prepared to endure that pressure and as long as he gives 100% effort to the Tottenham cause I say William Gallas welcome to the Lane!!!
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taimedowne
Campbell owed Spurs nothing when he left..... yes Spurs helped in his development but in return he gave many good yrs service to the club.... quid pro quo..
any player going into the final year of his contract would be Lady Gaga to declare his hand to not renew his contract:-
1) it would burn his bridges and make it very difficult to stay on if another club didnt make him an offer
2) and if a club did, they would have the whip-hand in any negotiations for a contract - he'd have to take whatever they accept, or stick with a club that would revile him
you may not like what Campbell did as youre a Spurs fan with a very large bias to the club's welfare far and above Campbell's own, but his 1st priority is to himself and his family..... he did nothing wrong and behaved in an entirely ethical way throughout.... all be it not to Spurs' advantage..
if Spurs couldnt trump Ars*nal for honours or wages, thats not Campbell's fault, in fact its nobody's fault.... its just market forces at work..
PS- I look more like Gareth Bale than Martin Keown.... erm... hang on... :P
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then youre a sad little man..
Gallas played for Ars*nal, he also played for Chelsea.... he is French so I dpubt playing for Ars*nal meant alot to him beyond it being a v.good team playing regularly in the CL and with a French coach with a few French-speaking players... so get over yourself..
if thats really the attitude of the majority of Spurs fans, then we really will fall flat on our faces this year, and deserve to.... Did Ars*nal make such a fuss when Campbel went over ??.... NO.... did they take him as 1 of their own.... YES..
do you know the amount of bottle Gallas is showing even coming to WHL, never mind playing CL games for us ??....
I think ppl like you have a huge inferiority-complex with Ars*nal.... it shows itself in sheer arrogance and blind hatred... abit of rivalry and banter is fine, but lets not take it to such extremes eh... at the end of the day..
its only a game of football.
Sol Campbell was at the height of his career and screwed us over telling us he wanted time then walked away costing the club around £15million at the time, so no it's nowhere near the same situation. What we are getting is a has been that is at the end of his career and has a dodgy mental streak Ok he may be able to do a job for a season or two, and I accept that if 'Arry wants him then 'Arry gonna have him but I and many others don't have to like it !!
Just for your info I'm over 6 foot and if you listen to the radio and all the phone ins etc I would say 80% of the callers are in agreement with what I've said. I don't know about you but I've supportted this club for over 40 years and remember when Pat Jennings went to Ars*nal, he did it the right way and was always welcomed back to the Lane.
I don't have a complex about Ars*nal I just really don't like them, I was born within 3 miles of WHL and lived in Hornsey and Edmonton so I've lived it and tasted it mate... have you ever walked down Seven Sisters Road (if you know where that is) on a derby day, because if you have then you would understand the situation alot better !
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UGS you hit all the nails on the head.
And no he is not showing mental strength all he is showing is that some mugs have agreed to pay whatever ridiculas salary he has been looking for. If he is that great how come no other 'big' clubs have been looking at him. Surely Man Utd, Chelski, Crapool etc etc could do with some cover?
The man is a balloon and all i hope is he puts in a few decent performances and doesnt just steal his wages. I dont hate him because ex-goon-russian-french , its because he is a nut job.
The wages should have been saved to be added to future funds to try and get someone experienced but younger.
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Miller
you and your rabid little band of reactionaries still dont get it do you ??..
Gallas wanted 2yr deal, the other 'big clubs' didnt fancy it as they have better options with younger players - they didnt need EXPERIENCED cover as much as we did/do...
Gallas has a 1yr contract now with Spurs but with an option of another yr that he can enforce, if he plays 30 games for us this season.... and his wage aint huge at 60k a week (well within what Spurs top-earners make)...
youre a dinasaur mate..... step into the Light.... there there...
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Miller
you and your rabid little band of reactionaries still dont get it do you ??..
Gallas wanted 2yr deal, the other 'big clubs' didnt fancy it as they have better options with younger players - they didnt need EXPERIENCED cover as much as we did/do...
Gallas has a 1yr contract now with Spurs but with an option of another yr that he can enforce, if he plays 30 games for us this season.... and his wage aint huge at 60k a week (well within what Spurs top-earners make)...
youre a dinasaur mate..... step into the Light.... there there...
Yawn. Are you still muttering? I like our 'rabbit little band' they all seem to talk sense as opposed to some guy who actually strated a thread asking if people's rejection was based on him being black and then continually refering to David Bentley (rather bizarre but you seem to like the comparison so keep at it).
'they didnt need EXPERIENCED cover as much as we did/do...' Bollocks
So we have Dawson, King, Bassong and Kabul injuries and lack of experience accepted especially at CL level. Of course how anyone gets experience without getting a game i'm never too sure.
Chelsea have Alex and Terry and then a few other dodgers
Man Utd have Vidic and Rio and then fall back on the Likes of Evans and o'shea
Pool have Skirtel and Carragher and then some real mince including some boy from rangers they just signed for 2mill and a dodgy greek.......weird looks to me like they could really have done with Gallas?
But as you seem to know everything there is no point debating much further, i will just go and hang in my cave with the other Dino's
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its not your fault Miller, so please dont be so hard on yourself...
Dawson, Kaboul, Bassong, Walker, THudd, Corluka..... all good players but not stand-outs for leadership seniority the way King is.... they are alll youngish and inexperienced at CL-level competition...
Gallas has that.
the other teams have it: Carragher, Agger, Vidic, Ferdinand (returning in 3wks), Vermaelen, Terry, Alex..
the only team that compares to us here is Ars*nal.... and they refused to consider him for 2yrs (or Gallas wasnt interested enough to accept their offer)...
Gallas also interested the likes of Real Madrid and even top Italian teams like Juventus, AC Milan (you may not have heard of these 2 clubs, as the Italian league doesnt get many column-inches in the Sun).... but they all wanted 1yr deals alone...
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This racism theory is probably the strangest thing I have read all week (and with some of the football stories doing the rounds that takes some doing!!)....it's beyond bizarre Gareth - noxious fumes aren't good for you, get some ventilation maybe :P
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Personally, I am downright mystified by Gareth K.'s liberal concern for Gallas and Campbell - yet, all the while managing to be the most inflammatory member of this community by using phrases like:
"simple-minded British bulldog attitude"
"lilywhite fanbase"
"White-van driving / Sun readers"
"sad little man...with an inferiority complex"
"I'll make sure to use small words"
"you don't understand other than the most basic use of the English language"
The use of the word "colored" is also not appropriate. It only serves to reinforce the perspective of white privilege and serve as a reminder for a time when segregation was the status quo.
I'm not English, but I found these comments offensive. They were meant to be offensive. Didn't care so much for the crack about an "unjust war" and "preemptive miltary action", either, but that's your political opinion. I'll be completely honest. I'm a relatively new Spurs fan from the States. I'm trying to learn from all of you. I don't pretend to know a whole lot. I haven't been part of the history involved in the rivalry, but clearly no one is hating on Gallas because he's black. He's an Ars*nal CAPTAIN with a track record for being a drama queen. Everyone here is just having fun being a football fan except for you, Gareth. You seem to have more fun sniping at the other members of the community and making snarky comments. What's the deal?
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cos we all know that segregation ended in the 60s don't we.... how's that line again .... Land of the Free ??....
and when was that little ditty coined ??...
we iz havin a good time y'all, but we iz gettin an ejjucation doin it, y'hear ??....
should be a great night next Wednesday at the Lane.... 2-0 to the Lilywhites...
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This is a big wind-up surely?? I'm struggling to work out whether Gareth is simply a troll baiting or whether he's being genuine...
Anyone who's been about longer care to enlighten some of us who really don't know.. ???
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Gareth! LOL - What was that supposed to be, exactly? That was totally ignorant. How can you cry racism and then say something as ridiculous as that! It really seems to be in your nature to act like a complete douchebag. You clearly can't help yourself. Have you got some sort of emotional behavioral disorder? :2funny:
I think you should stick to football and not make it personal when someone disagrees with you. As far as I can tell that's the issue here. I was beginning to wonder if he's a mole as well, Aosoth.
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the moot point here is that you girls can dish it out, but you can't take it.... :P
hope Fabiano signs today.... I'd polish the chairman's head for a week myself...
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its not your fault Miller, so please dont be so hard on yourself...
Dawson, Kaboul, Bassong, Walker, THudd, Corluka..... all good players but not stand-outs for leadership seniority the way King is.... they are alll youngish and inexperienced at CL-level competition...
Gallas has that.
the other teams have it: Carragher, Agger, Vidic, Ferdinand (returning in 3wks), Vermaelen, Terry, Alex..
the only team that compares to us here is Ars*nal.... and they refused to consider him for 2yrs (or Gallas wasnt interested enough to accept their offer)...
Gallas also interested the likes of Real Madrid and even top Italian teams like Juventus, AC Milan (you may not have heard of these 2 clubs, as the Italian league doesnt get many column-inches in the Sun).... but they all wanted 1yr deals alone...
The Sun? :lol:
Thanks for your usual insightful drivel but let me help you out here with your numbers.
A one year deal with an option is still........wait for it......wait......a one year deal. So there you have it, he didnt sign for all these other clubs that you know were interested in him (you know everything) because he wanted a two year deal.
You sir are a genius.
Your argument about the other teams was also crap because you said we needed top quality experience cover, hence why i said the other teams have just as much of a pressing need in that dept as us.
Keep fishing but try not to act like such an arse to other visitors to the board they might not be used to having to deal with people like your goodself.
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its 1yr to ppl like you.... but for those fortunate enough to see beyond the immediate actuality...
its a 2yr deal :up:
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People like me? ::)
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its 1yr to ppl like you.... but for those fortunate enough to see beyond the immediate actuality...
its a 2yr deal :up:
It's only a two year deal if the option for the second year is in the players side of the contract, if it's in the clubs side then effectively it's a one year deal !
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if dearest William plays any part in any of 30 games for his beloved Spurs this season, he will be able to enforce the 2nd year of his contract, as he wouldnt bear being parted so soon from the loving bosom of the club...
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Gareth are you actually incapable of answering any post without being sarcastic, inflammority or just a complete wind up. Is it any wonder that you are ridiculed for the virtual crap that you spew in every post, and from what I can tell this isn't the first forum you have caused argument and annoyance on !!
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of course I can Ugs, anything for you... you know that..
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An option to extend. If Gallas really knows his position he would play his heart out and help us alot and pray to god that He did well enough to impress ol 'Arry that he is worth it for another year before retiring for good.
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Takes courage to swap Ars*nal for spurs. Agreeing to take less money gives us an insight to Galls too.
I've never been a fan of him for obvious reasons. He has struck me as a bit of a kid in the past with his outburts, but Wenger obviously saw something in him to give him their captains armband. I wouldn't say he' cpt material but he is a seasoned defender who adds great experiance to the squad especially in the CL.
The early signs look good from the Gallas camp, he certainly seems to be saying all the right things. He could well be a great bit of business by Harry. And a courageous move by Gallas. I hope he does well here. He's a yid now as far as I'm concerned.
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I agree, i have put my moaning face away and accepted it all.
After all he is now one of us.
Well unless he f*cks up of course! :ohyeah:
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Well, he is here now whether we like it or not. So, all in all we can only support him because he is a Spurs player now. There are too many so-called Spurs fans who despise and bash most of the players in our squad... What is the point?!
I wasn't keen on the idea of Gallas moving to Spurs and there have been other players... And if he proves to be a good deal then fair enough. I support Tottenham Hotspur and so far I have supported it as it is. If Gallas does well then why should I boo him? I shouldn't and I wouldn't. Yet there are people who boo Keane every f**king time he plays, it was also the case with Bent... But you know, I still feel a bit hurt because how Bent was treated... Too many times I have considered quitting this community here because how short-sighted some people can be but fortunately we have some reasonable and sensible people here as well... But this is a different topic.
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There are certain players who I don't feel do enough to justify pulling on the Spurs shirt. It should be a thing of enormous pride for anyone lucky enough to do so - i want to see 100% every time or they should just stay in the dressing room. Lack of talent is forgivable...you can only use what you have, but lack of effort should be a sackable offense.
All that said, I never understood the rationale behind booing anyone? If it's an opponent, you fire them up and make them want to do better and if it's one of your own you end up making it worse...or the very least not making it better. All this "I pay my money, I'll boo if I want" crap? well done, you just forked out £50 for each ticket plus travel costs and spent the whole time making yourself and others around you miserable. Well done.
In other news, welcome to Tottenham Mr Gallas, may your future and ours be lined with many trophies and more than a few derby victories.
COYS!
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but derby aren't in the Prem tho'..
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btw this (http://www.newsnow.co.uk/A/440937505?-19389) is part of the reason I think the daily mail should be strung up.
This is nothing short of incitement and it doesn't even try to dress itself up as anything else.
There are several Ars*nal (current and former) and Spurs (current and former) players who actually get on and are mates away from the pitch. It doesn't need some stupid jumped up rag of a newspaper to incite world war 3 by making a big deal about it!!
Some of the media outlets in this country have a lot to answer for.
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sorry peoples...needed to vent
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Great point Aosoth. The media are the worst for spin!!