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Title: Stoke 1-2 Tottenham
Post by: Biggs on August 19, 2010, 08:30:25 AM
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Title: Re: Stoke v Tottenham
Post by: Gareth Keown on August 19, 2010, 01:34:10 PM
I can see us actually losing this game, what with all the stress of the last game on Tuesday and the main focus of players, manager being on next Wednesday and the need not to get injuries prior to THAT game....

2-0 to Stoke.

Title: Re: Stoke v Tottenham
Post by: dedleysting on August 19, 2010, 08:01:52 PM
I hope your wrong mate. But I see where your coming from. I'd take a point from them, but we beat um last season so a bit of optimism is in order.

We must defend better and make the most of our chances we create. We have the weapons to hurt them so hopefully we can get a result...

COYS!
Title: Re: Stoke v Tottenham
Post by: Lowestoft Yid on August 20, 2010, 01:10:37 PM
I'm travelling up for this 1, Any1 else going???
Yeah its gonna be a tough 1 but were spurs, we can do anything!! LOL




 :yids:
Title: Re: Stoke v Tottenham
Post by: Biggs on August 20, 2010, 03:13:52 PM
I think its going to be a 4-5-1/4-2-3-1 for this match.

Keane, Defoe and Pav all injured.

maybe it will be

Gomes

Corluka King Dawson Ekotto

Hudds Palacios

Lennon --- Modric --- Bale

Crouch
Title: Re: Stoke v Tottenham
Post by: SomersetYiddo on August 20, 2010, 04:15:02 PM
Lowestoft - Yeh im going up tomorrow aswell mate, this will be the third year in a row ive done the Stoke trip, i dont know why but it always appeals to me this trip, the atmosphere can be deafening sometimes at the ground with our lot in full voice as always and there support is good too. It looks like your right Biggs, Crouchy will be alone up front with everyone else out injured and what if he picks up a knock! WE NEED A NEW STRIKER!!! Also do you think Harry will play King? I would have thought he would be rested until the Young Boys game on wednesday. NEW STRIKER PLEASE
Title: Re: Stoke v Tottenham
Post by: Gareth Keown on August 20, 2010, 04:15:47 PM
Administrator sir..

1) Dawson's never played leftside-CB before.... remember when Terry tried to play rightside-CB against the Germans ??

2) you'd really rather play King against Stoke than possibly our most important game for 49yrs ??... can't see him being asked to play both..

3) Modric is injured.... and anyway...at Stoke away ??!!



Title: Re: Stoke v Tottenham
Post by: Biggs on August 20, 2010, 04:21:45 PM
Administrator sir..

1) Dawson's never played leftside-CB before.... remember when Terry tried to play rightside-CB against the Germans ??

Wasn't really paying attention to Left CB and right CB, just meant CB in general

2) you'd really rather play King against Stoke than possibly our most important game for 49yrs ??... can't see him being asked to play both..

I would hope he could play both, Personally i think he was rested for YB game because of the pitch.


3) Modric is injured.... and anyway...at Stoke away ??!!


Didn't know he was injured to.... Yes stoke away, i think in a 4-2-3-1 Modric could play that quite easily has less responsibility with 2 holding players. Personally i think that's his best best posistion and the formation that suit Mordic the best.

p.s. Don't have to call me administrator :lol: biggs is just fine :ohyeah:
Title: Re: Stoke v Tottenham
Post by: Gareth Keown on August 20, 2010, 04:50:10 PM
yes sir, Biggs it is sir... erm... I mean... :lol:

1) fair point, I'll concede that..

2) would you really wanna risk Ledley in a league game with 36 more to go still, and possibly have him out for Wednesday ??.... you daredevil you..

3) Modric aint that great in a 4-2-3-1 unless he's 1 of the '2' .... aint got the pace/athleticism to play wide of the '3' (aint just about attack, also about sprinting back into defence from upfield)..... and he is a dismal failure as a 2nd striker re. when playing behind Bent when he 1st joined (see also J.Cole last night in the role, and rest of season)...

think its a goodly game to have a sniff of The Rose...

Title: Re: Stoke v Tottenham
Post by: Biggs on August 20, 2010, 05:04:37 PM
I don't think Rose will get the Nod. It will be Jenas or Kranjcar. Personally i think we need a result in this game to get our season started.

A win against stoke, we will be in much better shape going in the wednesday
Title: Re: Stoke v Tottenham
Post by: Gareth Keown on August 20, 2010, 05:23:38 PM
thats just the team I'd play... as of yet, they aint made me Spurs head-coach (for some reason)..

a win would be nice... not great, not vital at this stage of the season.... just nice..

because of 1 thing..... WEDNESDAY 25TH AUGUST 2010, 7.45PM.

that is the priority.... if it means resting key-players and dropping pts at the Stoke Rugby Club, then so be it...
Title: Re: Stoke v Tottenham
Post by: SomersetYiddo on August 20, 2010, 05:47:41 PM
My line up would be:
 
                  Gomes
Corluka Dawson Bassong/Kaboul BAE
        Palacios Huddlestone
        Lennon Krancjar Bale
                  Crouch
Title: Re: Stoke v Tottenham
Post by: ugs on August 20, 2010, 06:08:19 PM
How Bout
 
                        Gomes
 
Corluka      Dawson     Bassong       BAE
 
                  Kaboul       Palacious
 
                       Huddlestone
Lennon                                           Bale
 
                        Crouch
 
 
 :nods:
Title: Re: Stoke v Tottenham
Post by: Gareth Keown on August 20, 2010, 06:26:38 PM
I bet you lot a veggie somosa and a bag of chips that Rose plays 2moro... :P
Title: Re: Stoke v Tottenham
Post by: YidJoe24 on August 20, 2010, 07:30:06 PM
I was thinking may Obika would be given a chance, til he was loaned out to Palace so we could line up like this.
 
Charlie-Daws-Seb-Bae
----Moric-Hudd----
Niko------------Bale
----Azza---Crouch
Title: Re: Stoke v Tottenham
Post by: Lowestoft Yid on August 20, 2010, 09:42:21 PM
Heard the atmosphere is amazing here, so looking forward to it. Just hope the long journey will be worth it.   3 points to get the season up the running!!! 
Title: Re: Stoke v Tottenham
Post by: Boycey on August 21, 2010, 07:48:06 AM
How Bout
 
                        Gomes
 
Corluka      Dawson     Bassong       BAE
 
                  Kaboul       Palacious
 
                       Huddlestone
Lennon                                           Bale
 
                        Crouch
 
 
 :nods:
I like the look of this team and i think a draw would be a good result there...but i been thinking that maybe Harry is blowing a smoke screen and maybe keane is going to play some in this game....i think Keane will be on the bench and maybe Gio also???
Title: Re: Stoke v Tottenham
Post by: Sovereignspur on August 21, 2010, 09:20:14 AM
This is a good game for us. It will show how far we have come on from last year. We need to take something from the game if we are going to challange for anything this season.
 
Come on you Spurs.
Title: Re: Stoke v Tottenham
Post by: Chelmsford_yid on August 21, 2010, 10:45:41 AM
TEAM NEWS  Stoke's club record signing Kenwyne Jones could be available despite limping off with an ankle problem on his debut last weekend.   Versatile forward Jon Walters is in the squad following his move from Ipswich.
Tottenham have a dearth of attacking options, with Peter Crouch their only fit striker.
Jermain Defoe and Luka Modric are out with groin strains, Robbie Keane has a knee injury, and Roman Pavyluchenko and Giovani dos Santos are also sidelined.
 
Taught a lesson by Young Boys in midweek, Tottenham can expect a searching examination on Saturday from an old-school team.
 
Stoke are unashamedly direct and physical, and will try to bully a Spurs side that crashed in Berne on their Champions League debut.
This is also a meeting between pupil and mentor; Tony Pulis was a player, captain and coach under Harry Redknapp's supervision at Bournemouth before succeeding him as manager in 1992. The pair are now firm friends, and Pulis has even bought a house close to Redknapp at an exclusive retreat in Dorset.
Stoke have been right at home in the Premier League since promotion two years ago, earning two mid-table finishes. Their victory in this fixture in October 2008 resulted in the demise of Juande Ramos at Spurs, and a new dawn under Redknapp.
Tottenham have since graduated to a place among Europe's elite; how long they stay there depends on their response to a disappointing opening week of the season.
Title: Re: Stoke v Tottenham
Post by: tonyrub on August 21, 2010, 01:30:57 PM
If we wont to push on and get that forth spot again we need to be beating teams like Stoke, we just need to win ugly just get the points.
Title: Re: Stoke v Tottenham
Post by: steven crayn on August 21, 2010, 02:22:20 PM
are Defoe, Pav and Keane really injured or just being rested for Wednesday?
Title: Re: Stoke v Tottenham
Post by: steven crayn on August 21, 2010, 02:30:55 PM
line up is

Tottenham 01 Gomes 03 Bale 04 Kaboul 20 Dawson 22 Corluka 32 Assou-Ekotto 06 Huddlestone 07 Lennon 08 Jenas 12 Wilson Palacios 15 Crouch

Substitutes
27 Alnwick, 16 Naughton, 19 Bassong, 28 Walker, 21 Kranjcar, 25 Rose, 29 Livermore
Title: Re: Stoke v Tottenham
Post by: robert letter on August 21, 2010, 02:35:18 PM
I think we should win today
Title: Re: Stoke v Tottenham
Post by: Biggs on August 21, 2010, 02:38:18 PM
I bet you lot a veggie somosa and a bag of chips that Rose plays 2moro... :P

I want my veggie somosa and a bag of chips please :P
Title: Re: Stoke v Tottenham
Post by: DstarJ on August 21, 2010, 02:40:53 PM
it will be interesting to see  who he plays today seeing as 3 of our 4 strikers are injurerd :( 
but COOOMMOOONNN UUUUUUU SPUUUUUUUUURSSSS get the 3 points we need today ladz.
also the next 2 weeks should be interesting for spurs in the transfer window as espeicially if we beat young boys middweek coomoon
Title: Re: Stoke v Tottenham
Post by: Gareth Keown on August 21, 2010, 02:45:11 PM
I bet you lot a veggie somosa and a bag of chips that Rose plays 2moro... :P

I want my veggie somosa and a bag of chips please :P

I didnt say Rose would start, just that he'd play..... and I didnt say when I'd be paying if I lose either  :P


think Jenas will be playing as the 2nd-striker to go support Crouchy..... have a fiver on him to get 1st goal
Title: Re: Stoke v Tottenham
Post by: jez21 on August 21, 2010, 02:57:03 PM
Lets keep Delaps long throws at bay.COYS
Title: Re: Stoke v Tottenham
Post by: WilsonJet on August 21, 2010, 03:30:26 PM
Why on Earth did I try to get slick in the prediction league and choose Kranjcar / Kenwyne Jones when they are both injury risks? My first impulse was Bale and Fuller - should have stuck with it!

And I take it all back regarding the sky blue kits...they look amazing  :up: The blue numbering with the white outline makes all the difference.
Title: Re: Stoke v Tottenham
Post by: WilsonJet on August 21, 2010, 03:33:46 PM
WORLD CLASS !!!!!!!!! Phenomenal volley by BALE ! One of the best I've ever seen.....going crazy over here....

That young man is the TRUTH!
Title: Re: Stoke v Tottenham
Post by: Biggs on August 21, 2010, 03:46:38 PM
Great goal by bale
Title: Re: Stoke v Tottenham
Post by: WilsonJet on August 21, 2010, 03:51:49 PM
Was that very nearly a Jermaine Jenas sighting? Nah, couldn't be...
Title: Re: Stoke v Tottenham
Post by: dr.kyrie on August 21, 2010, 03:58:20 PM
can't wait to see the goal, phil thompson got all excited!
Title: Re: Stoke v Tottenham
Post by: Bushwacker on August 21, 2010, 03:59:53 PM
Was it 1-2 half time ??  Need 3 more posts to watch the game.
Title: Re: Stoke v Tottenham
Post by: Biggs on August 21, 2010, 04:02:28 PM
yeah 2-1 half time
Title: Re: Stoke v Tottenham
Post by: Bushwacker on August 21, 2010, 04:04:43 PM
Who scored ??
Title: Re: Stoke v Tottenham
Post by: Malimo on August 21, 2010, 04:08:21 PM
BAAAAALE!!! What a goal; left-foot volley from a weak, (albeit accurate) Lennon floater. From right of the 18 yard box to the top-left, where Bale was lurking. . .
Title: Re: Stoke v Tottenham
Post by: Bushwacker on August 21, 2010, 04:17:00 PM
Who scored the other & What`s the latest ??
Title: Re: Stoke v Tottenham
Post by: WilsonJet on August 21, 2010, 04:54:02 PM
wow...we may have just been gifted all 3 points in this one. That one was definitely over the line. Stoke should be even right now. I'LL TAKE IT!!!  :coolsmiley: hahahaha
Title: Re: Stoke v Tottenham
Post by: Colspur66 on August 21, 2010, 05:00:46 PM
Personally I didn't think it did cross the line. Ref was also in the perfect position to judge.
Title: Re: Stoke v Tottenham
Post by: CountPuchi on August 21, 2010, 05:01:00 PM
Gareth Bale LEFT SIDE!!

I dont get it! Towards the 75th minute our players were tired! Arry didnt even made replacements to help the team move and attack. I can see Bale slowing down, Hudds Slowing down and that made Lennon and Crouch isolated.

But who cares!!! 3 points you :tossa:s!!! Screw em potters they went in hard and dirty! KARMA BITES !!
Title: Re: Stoke v Tottenham
Post by: Aosoth on August 21, 2010, 05:01:10 PM
I dunno Wilson, looked like Gomes got a shove to me.  I think justice was done tbh, it probably was over the line but if you watch it back, what the Stoke guy was doing with his arms stretched towards Gomes if he DIDN'T shove him, I dunno...

And lets be fair, Bale's volley is worthy of winning any game  :D :dance:
Title: Re: Stoke v Tottenham
Post by: CountPuchi on August 21, 2010, 05:06:27 PM
a win is a win! Stoke wasnt fair towards our players. Accused us of diving but heck! Look at how they were tackling. I was kinda scared one of em might get injured. The way Dawson/Bale was attacked they should have gotten 1 red card. :tossa:s Stoke.
Title: Re: Stoke v Tottenham
Post by: Gareth Keown on August 21, 2010, 05:07:56 PM
swings n roundabouts..

Citeh game we deserved to win.... we drew

today's game we deserved to draw..... we win

looks like the defending was pretty average again... Gallas will be in te team soon enough..
Title: Re: Stoke v Tottenham
Post by: Biggs on August 21, 2010, 05:10:22 PM
Highlights posted  :up:
Title: Re: Stoke v Tottenham
Post by: AuburnSpur on August 21, 2010, 05:13:47 PM
I dunno Wilson, looked like Gomes got a shove to me.  I think justice was done tbh, it probably was over the line but if you watch it back, what the Stoke guy was doing with his arms stretched towards Gomes if he DIDN'T shove him, I dunno...

And lets be fair, Bale's volley is worthy of winning any game  :D :dance:

Agree on the shove.  Gomes was awful on corners today, but more than once he got moved out of the way.

Bale's volley was SICK.  He's money on those though - had an excellent pass in one of the friendlies in the US on a similar ball played out wider on a full run.
Title: Re: Stoke v Tottenham
Post by: YidJoe24 on August 21, 2010, 05:19:46 PM
Looks like Gareth owes us a fiver and a veggie somosa and a bag of chips each.  :D
Title: Re: Stoke v Tottenham
Post by: Biggs on August 21, 2010, 05:23:48 PM
Good, im hungry  :lol:
Title: Re: Stoke v Tottenham
Post by: Gareth Keown on August 21, 2010, 05:28:50 PM
 :tickedoff:
Title: Re: Stoke v Tottenham
Post by: richyquk on August 21, 2010, 05:35:31 PM
Stoke was robbed but a win is a win and I think we all will take it. Great goal from Bale. Well done son!
Title: Re: Stoke v Tottenham
Post by: ugs on August 22, 2010, 01:07:19 AM
swings n roundabouts..

Citeh game we deserved to win.... we drew

today's game we deserved to draw..... we win

looks like the defending was pretty average again... Gallas will be in te team soon enough..

I thought the whole back 4 played well today and the midfield backed them up nicely, don't know what you were watching ? It didn't help matters with Gomes running round like a headless chicken though !!!
 
Gallas will only be in the side if he signs, looks like Mr Levy has lost the pen at the moment !!!
 
 ;)
Title: Re: Stoke 1-2 Tottenham
Post by: Gareth Keown on August 22, 2010, 12:08:07 PM
the defending was not well at all.... everytime the ball came into  the final third, they looked like they could score.... the fact that they didnt was just the chance factor working in our favour.... as opposed to last week..

we didnt exert enough CONTROL in the match in the 2nd half as much as we could have.... it seems that the CM appears to run outta steam in the 2nd half abit (2 games running now) and couldnt screen the back4 enough...
Title: Re: Stoke 1-2 Tottenham
Post by: CountPuchi on August 22, 2010, 01:03:16 PM
Agree with you on CM running out of steam Gareth. Like i said before why redknap didnt change anyone on CM baffles me. We could have exert more control in the 2nd half if we had sub someone out.

I can understand why Hudds is tired but Jenas and Sgt Wilson shouldnt be since they hardly play. Cant wait to see if we get another CM. Sandro will still be on holiday so right now im looking at our cm options. Only Ohara is available for sub.
Title: Re: Stoke 1-2 Tottenham
Post by: Aosoth on August 22, 2010, 01:09:02 PM
Sandro will still be on holiday so right now im looking at our cm options. Only Ohara is available for sub.

Actually as far as I am aware, Sandro has reported to Tottenham already.  It was part of his deal that he report within so many hours after the culmination of his Copa Libertadores challenge with Internacional.  He'll likely need a break at some point, but he's not away on holiday  ;)
Title: Re: Stoke 1-2 Tottenham
Post by: ugs on August 22, 2010, 01:21:25 PM
the defending was not well at all.... everytime the ball came into  the final third, they looked like they could score.... the fact that they didnt was just the chance factor working in our favour.... as opposed to last week..

we didnt exert enough CONTROL in the match in the 2nd half as much as we could have.... it seems that the CM appears to run outta steam in the 2nd half abit (2 games running now) and couldnt screen the back4 enough...

With JJ in there no surprise goes missing for most of the game, and the defence did fine against a team that likes to bombard the opposing teams penalty area !!!!
 
 :P
Title: Re: Stoke 1-2 Tottenham
Post by: Gareth Keown on August 22, 2010, 01:59:20 PM
JJ was the guy who was tasked with supporting Crouch in the 4-2-3-1 we employed (with Bale and Lennon on either side of JJ).... yet he was still our best midfielder defensively in the last 30mins... far better than the 2 designated CMs Thudd and Palacios..

I can only assume that Arry didnt sub the rapidly tiring THudd cos he wanted as many 6 footers defending our penalty-box as possible...
Title: Re: Stoke 1-2 Tottenham
Post by: ugs on August 22, 2010, 02:29:41 PM
What exactly does Jermaine Jenas do? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzL4vCAofP8#)
 
Gareth just for you, though you might like this as JJ is obviously a hero of yours take your rose tinted glasses off mate, his days are numbered !!!
 
 :2funny:   :2funny:   :2funny:
Title: Re: Stoke 1-2 Tottenham
Post by: Gareth Keown on August 22, 2010, 04:45:26 PM
thats a rather old cliched article youve dredged up therre Ugs... do try to keep up..

and yes, it looks like Jenas will soon be moving on... to some club called Juventus..

you may need to 'google' the name of the club..
Title: Re: Stoke 1-2 Tottenham
Post by: AuburnSpur on August 22, 2010, 05:03:26 PM
thats a rather old cliched article youve dredged up therre Ugs... do try to keep up..

and yes, it looks like Jenas will soon be moving on... to some club called Juventus..

you may need to 'google' the name of the club..

Gareth, we've agreed on transfer priorities, but we part ways here.  Jenas may have played well yesterday, but he's looked mediocre at best prior.  LOTS of errant and/or lazy passes in very bad places.  I think he's too inconsistent to lose any sleep over losing.
Title: Re: Stoke 1-2 Tottenham
Post by: ugs on August 22, 2010, 05:39:25 PM
thats a rather old cliched article youve dredged up therre Ugs... do try to keep up..

and yes, it looks like Jenas will soon be moving on... to some club called Juventus..

you may need to 'google' the name of the club..

Oldie but a goodie, seems the whole of the Planet Spurs forum disagreed with almost everything you said about JJ too. Just thought you might like to see it again that's all !!!!
Don't worry I'm keeping up  :D 
 
Oops almost forgot Juve the old lady of Itailian football, most successful Italian club from Turin, nah know nothing about them !!!!
 :dance:
Title: Re: Stoke 1-2 Tottenham
Post by: ugs on August 22, 2010, 05:43:16 PM
Oh sorry I know they play in Black and White stripes,   Sorry  :P
Title: Re: Stoke 1-2 Tottenham
Post by: YidJoe24 on August 22, 2010, 08:57:07 PM
I thought Azza was brill today, seemed back to his best, which is what we like to see. That and him and Bale linking up. I can't wait to see more of that  :lol:  AS for Jenas, I believe older members of the forum know my stance on him. Btw Ugs, brill vid mate  :2funny:
Title: Re: Stoke 1-2 Tottenham
Post by: Sandroman on August 22, 2010, 11:39:35 PM
Why is it that Huth was allowed to foul Gomes with impunity?  Nearly everything I have read or seen in the media has made the major talking point whether the ball went over the line and not THAT NO WHISTLE WHILE STANDING IN FRONT OF GOMES, THAT HUTH COULD PUSH HIM WITH TWO HANDS INTO THE GOAL
How did Foy, standing 6 feet away, not give the foul. What was he looking at? Is he fit to be a EPL ref?
Thr yellow card count was 15 to 6 and really should have been worse than that (for tripping from behind when our player had gone)
They posed little or no theat when not illegally interfering with Gomes

Lastly, Gallas is not very tall , but our CB's positioning when under pressure is sometimes sloppy and G. can help with the dicipline and confidence

GK is entitled to his opinions on JJ and others but is it a case of deliberate 'wind-up'? (2-0 loss was his wind -up prediction before the game)
Title: Re: Stoke 1-2 Tottenham
Post by: Gareth Keown on August 23, 2010, 12:01:06 AM
Sandroman.... youre right about Huth's foul on Gomes for the 'goal' incident..

but did you not also notice how everytime they had a setpiece into the penalty-area how Huth was SYSTEMATICALLY fouling the goalkeeper time after time after time... I counted at least 4 setpieces where this happened from the 13mins of highlights I'd recorded...

I think that Huth and 1-2 others are told to stand near the GK during corners, freekicks, Delap-throw-ins, any setpiece really, by the manager Pulis,  as a way of gaining advantage by cheating.... Huth especially has become quite expert in this and didnt go punished once..... Arry was absolutely right in highlighting the foul prior to the disallowed 'goal'...

Referees need to look at previous videos of Stoke matches and see for themselves how they use this rogue tactic to garner advantage from the numerous set-plays they seem to use as their primary offence-plays...

and that freak Pulis had the temerity to cry foul !.... I'd like to purse my lips and wag my finger at him..

Title: Re: Stoke 1-2 Tottenham
Post by: AuburnSpur on August 23, 2010, 01:14:08 AM
Sandroman.... youre right about Huth's foul on Gomes for the 'goal' incident..

but did you not also notice how everytime they had a setpiece into the penalty-area how Huth was SYSTEMATICALLY fouling the goalkeeper time after time after time... I counted at least 4 setpieces where this happened from the 13mins of highlights I'd recorded...

I think that Huth and 1-2 others are told to stand near the GK during corners, freekicks, Delap-throw-ins, any setpiece really, by the manager Pulis,  as a way of gaining advantage by cheating.... Huth especially has become quite expert in this and didnt go punished once..... Arry was absolutely right in highlighting the foul prior to the disallowed 'goal'...

Referees need to look at previous videos of Stoke matches and see for themselves how they use this rogue tactic to garner advantage from the numerous set-plays they seem to use as their primary offence-plays...

and that freak Pulis had the temerity to cry foul !.... I'd like to purse my lips and wag my finger at him..

Mauling in the box is a major issue.  Refs seemed to have decided to just ignore it.
Title: Re: Stoke 1-2 Tottenham
Post by: CountPuchi on August 23, 2010, 06:41:39 AM
So i guess all those fouls by Huth ended up karma being a bitch and Stoke lost because of it eh Auburn? Heheh..

Really i was pissed with the 1st goal. Could have kept a cleansheet really
Title: Re: Stoke 1-2 Tottenham
Post by: Sandroman on August 23, 2010, 10:44:15 AM
Sandroman.... youre right about Huth's foul on Gomes for the 'goal' incident..

but did you not also notice how everytime they had a setpiece into the penalty-area how Huth was SYSTEMATICALLY fouling the goalkeeper time after time after time... I counted at least 4 setpieces where this happened from the 13mins of highlights I'd recorded...

I think that Huth and 1-2 others are told to stand near the GK during corners, freekicks, Delap-throw-ins, any setpiece really, by the manager Pulis,  as a way of gaining advantage by cheating.... Huth especially has become quite expert in this and didnt go punished once..... Arry was absolutely right in highlighting the foul prior to the disallowed 'goal'...

Referees need to look at previous videos of Stoke matches and see for themselves how they use this rogue tactic to garner advantage from the numerous set-plays they seem to use as their primary offence-plays...

and that freak Pulis had the temerity to cry foul !.... I'd like to purse my lips and wag my finger at him..

Mauling in the box is a major issue.  Refs seemed to have decided to just ignore it.
Actually Auburn I didn't see it as a systematic attack as you have proven
We expect teams to play hard ,but calculated player intimidation and interference of this sort must be stopped
I'm sure Harry will be on to it as most teams will target Gomes from now on
Title: Re: Stoke 1-2 Tottenham
Post by: Gareth Keown on August 23, 2010, 12:37:43 PM
Jenas played the best outta the midfielders defensively, shutting down space and blocking the best of all.... he also made at least 2 very telling moves (1) great weighted 40yd diagonal thru'ball for Bale to get his 3-trick... also played a good 1-2 with Bale to get into the box and nearly score (the keeper saved)...

still wont be enough to not be the scapegoat tho...
Title: Re: Stoke 1-2 Tottenham
Post by: ugs on August 23, 2010, 03:01:46 PM
Jenas played the best outta the midfielders defensively, shutting down space and blocking the best of all.... he also made at least 2 very telling moves (1) great weighted 40yd diagonal thru'ball for Bale to get his 3-trick... also played a good 1-2 with Bale to get into the box and nearly score (the keeper saved)...

still wont be enough to not be the scapegoat tho...

Two moves in 90 mins wow thats impressive !!!!
Title: Re: Stoke 1-2 Tottenham
Post by: Gareth Keown on August 23, 2010, 03:16:29 PM
yeah youre right just 2 moves the entire match.....(see I can be whatever you want me to be Ugs.... ;) )
Title: Re: Stoke 1-2 Tottenham
Post by: AuburnSpur on August 23, 2010, 05:02:52 PM
Sandroman.... youre right about Huth's foul on Gomes for the 'goal' incident..

but did you not also notice how everytime they had a setpiece into the penalty-area how Huth was SYSTEMATICALLY fouling the goalkeeper time after time after time... I counted at least 4 setpieces where this happened from the 13mins of highlights I'd recorded...

I think that Huth and 1-2 others are told to stand near the GK during corners, freekicks, Delap-throw-ins, any setpiece really, by the manager Pulis,  as a way of gaining advantage by cheating.... Huth especially has become quite expert in this and didnt go punished once..... Arry was absolutely right in highlighting the foul prior to the disallowed 'goal'...

Referees need to look at previous videos of Stoke matches and see for themselves how they use this rogue tactic to garner advantage from the numerous set-plays they seem to use as their primary offence-plays...

and that freak Pulis had the temerity to cry foul !.... I'd like to purse my lips and wag my finger at him..

Mauling in the box is a major issue.  Refs seemed to have decided to just ignore it.
Actually Auburn I didn't see it as a systematic attack as you have proven
We expect teams to play hard ,but calculated player intimidation and interference of this sort must be stopped
I'm sure Harry will be on to it as most teams will target Gomes from now on

I'm talking about the sport in general.  Mauling in the box during corners has become like the last minute in basketball where the refs just swallow their whistles.
Title: Re: Stoke 1-2 Tottenham
Post by: dedleysting on August 23, 2010, 06:48:01 PM
Gomes got targeted by Stoke, they were barging him and tripping him all day long!
 
Stoke = tw@ts!!!
Title: Re: Stoke 1-2 Tottenham
Post by: YidJoe24 on August 24, 2010, 09:58:26 PM
Ryan shawcross is a rough bast*rd, no wonder he broke Ramseys leg. All game is was commiting fouls and getting away with them. I actually hatee the guy.
Title: Re: Stoke 1-2 Tottenham
Post by: WilsonJet on August 24, 2010, 10:42:09 PM
Shawcross is a physical sometimes reckless player but I don't think he's malicious. He was an absolute wreck after he realized how badly Ramsey was hurt. The kid left the field in tears.

I like your enthusiasm, though. Nothing wrong with hating the opposition in my book.
Title: Re: Stoke 1-2 Tottenham
Post by: Gareth Keown on August 24, 2010, 10:51:28 PM
reckless, malicious = same freakin difference.

I truly believe its time for players as individuals and clubs as commercial-entities threaten to sue individual PLAYERS for very dangerous and reckless fouls which endanger the livelihood of a fellow-pro...

with all the video-evidence that can be collated from numerous angles, cases can be made and litigation sought if/when te situation warrants it..

I'm sick and tired of the consistently casual acceptance of physical violence that goes on on a football-pitch... and to those that say its 'a man's game', I dont think its that manly to go in to cripple someone when his attention is on controlling a football rather than in defending himself from physical attack..
Title: Re: Stoke 1-2 Tottenham
Post by: WilsonJet on August 24, 2010, 11:08:15 PM
wtf - grow a pair

As far as the Ramsey deal goes Shawcross was in control of the ball and Ramsey made an ill-advised blind lunge while Ryan was swinging his leg through. I wouldn't even characterize that as a tackle. It was just a freak accident.

If reckless = malicious then Wilson Palacios is Dr. Evil.
Title: Re: Stoke 1-2 Tottenham
Post by: Gareth Keown on August 24, 2010, 11:13:26 PM
if the Shawcross-Ramsay incident is as you say than it will prove itself so in a court of law..

obviously you wouldnt use this nuclear-option willy-nilly.... but if the case was compelling enough and the injuries sustained warranted further judicious retribution.... then so be it..

the Premiership probably sustains more bad tackles and injuries directly linked, than any other major league around.... theres a reason for it.
Title: Re: Stoke 1-2 Tottenham
Post by: ugs on August 24, 2010, 11:28:20 PM
reckless, malicious = same freakin difference.

I truly believe its time for players as individuals and clubs as commercial-entities threaten to sue individual PLAYERS for very dangerous and reckless fouls which endanger the livelihood of a fellow-pro...

with all the video-evidence that can be collated from numerous angles, cases can be made and litigation sought if/when te situation warrants it..

I'm sick and tired of the consistently casual acceptance of physical violence that goes on on a football-pitch... and to those that say its 'a man's game', I dont think its that manly to go in to cripple someone when his attention is on controlling a football rather than in defending himself from physical attack..

Let's re name the game instead of football let's call it ...........um netball um no tiddlywinks !!!!
 
How many tackles are made in a game and how many end with a SERIOUS injury FFS it IS a man's game(although nowdays I do wonder with all the primadonnas about) but with calls for court action here and court action there the players will be wearing slippers soon and have to do a risk assesment before each bloody tackle !!!!
 
Like WilsonJet says grow a pair or watch netball
 
 >:(
Title: Re: Stoke 1-2 Tottenham
Post by: Aosoth on August 24, 2010, 11:34:13 PM
reckless, malicious = same freakin difference.

I truly believe its time for players as individuals and clubs as commercial-entities threaten to sue individual PLAYERS for very dangerous and reckless fouls which endanger the livelihood of a fellow-pro...

with all the video-evidence that can be collated from numerous angles, cases can be made and litigation sought if/when te situation warrants it..

I'm sick and tired of the consistently casual acceptance of physical violence that goes on on a football-pitch... and to those that say its 'a man's game', I dont think its that manly to go in to cripple someone when his attention is on controlling a football rather than in defending himself from physical attack..

Let's re name the game instead of football let's call it ...........um netball um no tiddlywinks !!!!
 
How many tackles are made in a game and how many end with a SERIOUS injury FFS it IS a man's game(although nowdays I do wonder with all the primadonnas about) but with calls for court action here and court action there the players will be wearing slippers soon and have to do a risk assesment before each bloody tackle !!!!
 
Like WilsonJet says grow a pair or watch netball
 
 >:(

 :nods: :nods:

Damn straight.  No-one wants to see anyone badly hurt, but I remember when the tackle was considered an artform as worth of praise as the silky skills.  Before long the tackle will be outlawed altogether and when that happens it's the death of true football.  Football is a contact sport and, while that doesn't mean you go out to hurt someone, it does mean that if you're made of glass and are going to fold at the slightest contact, then you should probably stick to playing ker-plunk!  Oh and while we're about it...goalkeepers get entirely too much protection!!
Title: Re: Stoke 1-2 Tottenham
Post by: Gareth Keown on August 25, 2010, 12:01:03 AM
I'm not talking about full-blooded run of the mill type challenges... I'm talking about gratuitously seeminglypre-meditated, dangerous challenges that the overwhelming video-evidence can qualify.... ie. de Jong's karate-kick assault on Alonso in the W final...

there are many other incidents where players lose control and recklessly hurl themselves into dangerous tackles that could break ankles or shin-bones..

the onus in any court-case would off course be on the litigator to prove his case beyond any REASONABLE doubt.... as in other cases of assault on the street for instance...

even with the present rules governing professional football, there's a duty of care imposed on everyone for their fellow pros.... if you willfully break that duty, you pay the price for any damage, loss of earnings for player and/or club..
Title: Re: Stoke 1-2 Tottenham
Post by: Aosoth on August 25, 2010, 12:15:45 AM
if you willfully break that duty, you pay the price for any damage, loss of earnings for player and/or club..

And there is your key word, willfully.  Enjoy proving intent in such a fast paced environment.
Title: Re: Stoke 1-2 Tottenham
Post by: Gareth Keown on August 25, 2010, 12:22:33 AM
guilty beyond REASONABLE doubt....... just like any other court-case for assault..

pace can be slowed down to any viewing frame-rate of the footage required...

actually..... scratch that word 'willfully'.... and substitute with the words ' with undue regard'
Title: Re: Stoke 1-2 Tottenham
Post by: Aosoth on August 25, 2010, 12:45:50 AM
that's the point though, unless he writes a letter before the game saying "watch out matey, I'm gonna do you over", it'll be nigh on impossible to prove intent 'beyond reasonable doubt' until the idiot in question brags about it in his autobiography ala Roy Keane.

The game is one of physical exertion, you're never going to be sure that that face that one person construes as malice isn't actually a split second frame distortion of the face.

You could take anyone in the middle of a physical activity and make out intent...doesn't mean it was there....how do you differentiate between determination and malice? between intent to hurt and an awful accident?

heck next time you are mid-coitus, look at your partners face at the critical moment and imagine that in freeze-frame in court....you've got yourself a serial killer if presented in the right way!!  :lol:
Title: Re: Stoke 1-2 Tottenham
Post by: Gareth Keown on August 25, 2010, 12:54:08 AM
forget 'intent' even... how about just  plain ole 'with undue regard'...

if I drive carelessly and knock a 5yr old and break her spine and cripple her, due to not paying enough attention on the road and driving too fast.... maybe I should get off too then, as I didnt 'intend' to harm her, even tho' it happened due to my own actions...

'intent' is not even in the ball-park really now is it ??...

facial expressions are irrelevant..... in many cases with the right video-evidence 'undue regard' for the consequences can be proven beyond REASONABLE doubt....
Title: Re: Stoke 1-2 Tottenham
Post by: WilsonJet on August 25, 2010, 12:59:36 AM
That doesn"t hold any water. Professional athletes consent to step onto the field and engage in risky physical activity.
Title: Re: Stoke 1-2 Tottenham
Post by: Gareth Keown on August 25, 2010, 01:06:32 AM
I dont think theres any sporting activity which excuses anyone from injuring someone thru 'undue regard' for any actions...most actions can carry an element of risk, but it doesnt need to be compounded by 'undue regard' for others (or even yourself)..

if that wasnt the case, I could take your position to its ultimate conclusion and kill someone during a sporting-event and not take any responsibility for it.... think about it...
Title: Re: Stoke 1-2 Tottenham
Post by: Aosoth on August 25, 2010, 01:35:23 AM
that's not what is being said, but again, undue regard is hard to prove too...

how do you prove undue regard over competitveness that just went wrong?  The sport is competitive on so many levels, physical, financial, mental etc.....how do you prove in that split second that the player had the time to think "this might hurt the other guy"...it's not going to happen, he's thinking "that ball is mine and I can win it".  It's a tackle, it's not (most of the time) Roy Keane 2: Haaland's Revenge.  If the player drives his 4x4 onto the pitch and runs the opponent over, while taking the time to reverse and finish the job, by all means, throw the book at him.

This is not like driving down a built up area at 50 miles an hour...the roads have laws that govern them and if you shatter someone's spine, you've likely done it through negligence that is proveable.  How do you prove that kind of negligence where the very nature of the activity carries with it the risk of injury or unfortunately the risk of injuring another?

If you open the litigation route, then you open a can of worms that would, I honestly believe, kill the game of football.  Players suing players for loss of earnings and distress, clubs suing players for loss of return on transfer fees, players suing managers for putting them in the situation to be injured, fans suing clubs for the emotional distress / never seeing Xavier Whodjamaflip play after spending £35 having his name embossed on the back of their shirt (yes yes I know exageration but I'm making a point  :P)
It would eventually get to the point where games would stop because no fecker is prepared to risk a law suit.

Football is a contact sport, it carries risks like many other professions, but if in order to stop those risks you have to kill the whole sport as we know it in the process, do you do it?
Title: Re: Stoke 1-2 Tottenham
Post by: WilsonJet on August 25, 2010, 01:46:45 AM
Don't be ridiculous, Gareth. I was pointing out how your example of the 5yr old pedestrian being injured in a motor accident is not analagous to a professional sporting injury. We're talking about football fouls and whether or not Shawcross is a "dirty" player.  I think he fouls hard but he's not a bad kid. YidJoe would rather just hate him because he plays for Stoke and they're a "dirty" team. I think that's funny and I like his style.

If we were professional football players and I willfully held you at gunpoint during a game and demanded your boots (pink Diadoras) with the signed phrase, "WilsonJet you are my hero", while exhibiting undue regard for your sniveling pleas of mercy that would be a criminal offense. Are you satisfied?
Title: Re: Stoke 1-2 Tottenham
Post by: Aosoth on August 25, 2010, 01:51:43 AM
lol at the edit Wilson, I was about to reply a bit bewildered at the impression I had given you  :lol:
Title: Re: Stoke 1-2 Tottenham
Post by: WilsonJet on August 25, 2010, 02:18:46 AM
Yeah, I forgot - but I caught it though! Had to go back a page and look. It didn't seem like you so I had to be sure - lol.
Title: Re: Stoke 1-2 Tottenham
Post by: Gareth Keown on August 25, 2010, 01:09:00 PM
you really are very naive aren't you.... theres been plenty of footage already in games where a player is so obviously 'going for the player' as his eyes are not remotely on the ball evwen but trained totally at the player and the part of his anatomy targeted for damage....

in those cases, I think malicious undue regard can quite easily be proven beyond reasonable doubt.... thats all you'd needf in a civil-court prosecution, as opposed to a criminal-court case..

you are an ostritch if you can't follow the logic of the argument so far.
Title: Re: Stoke 1-2 Tottenham
Post by: Aosoth on August 25, 2010, 01:12:57 PM
I'm not naive and you don't need to condescend to everyone who doesn't share your viewpoint - this is part of why I am firmly of the opinion that you are a troll Gareth - it's all about getting a reaction, respect for others be damned.

If you can prove intent, beyond reasonable doubt, then by all means go for it.  I am just of the firm opinion that it opens a can of worms and it's not nearly as clear cut as you'd like to make it out to be.
Title: Re: Stoke 1-2 Tottenham
Post by: AuburnSpur on August 25, 2010, 02:55:00 PM
you really are very naive aren't you.... theres been plenty of footage already in games where a player is so obviously 'going for the player' as his eyes are not remotely on the ball evwen but trained totally at the player and the part of his anatomy targeted for damage....

in those cases, I think malicious undue regard can quite easily be proven beyond reasonable doubt.... thats all you'd needf in a civil-court prosecution, as opposed to a criminal-court case..

you are an ostritch if you can't follow the logic of the argument so far.


What if the guy just has a lazy eye?  Dirty contact lens?  Shin fetish?
Title: Re: Stoke 1-2 Tottenham
Post by: Aosoth on August 25, 2010, 02:58:24 PM
Shin fetish?

 :2funny:
Title: Re: Stoke 1-2 Tottenham
Post by: Gareth Keown on August 25, 2010, 10:37:18 PM
you really are very naive aren't you.... theres been plenty of footage already in games where a player is so obviously 'going for the player' as his eyes are not remotely on the ball evwen but trained totally at the player and the part of his anatomy targeted for damage....

in those cases, I think malicious undue regard can quite easily be proven beyond reasonable doubt.... thats all you'd needf in a civil-court prosecution, as opposed to a criminal-court case..

you are an ostritch if you can't follow the logic of the argument so far.


What if the guy just has a lazy eye?  Dirty contact lens?  Shin fetish?

like any other civil-court case, all relevant information will be admissable and a studied verdict will be made... I think its now only a matter of time before a club goes down this route to seek recompence and also to send a signal to other teams in future that they had better watch their step and not target players for 'special treatment' ....

perhaps dearest Arsene could be a pioneer yet again... :coolsmiley:
Title: Re: Stoke 1-2 Tottenham
Post by: AuburnSpur on August 25, 2010, 11:40:08 PM
you really are very naive aren't you.... theres been plenty of footage already in games where a player is so obviously 'going for the player' as his eyes are not remotely on the ball evwen but trained totally at the player and the part of his anatomy targeted for damage....

in those cases, I think malicious undue regard can quite easily be proven beyond reasonable doubt.... thats all you'd needf in a civil-court prosecution, as opposed to a criminal-court case..

you are an ostritch if you can't follow the logic of the argument so far.


What if the guy just has a lazy eye?  Dirty contact lens?  Shin fetish?

like any other civil-court case, all relevant information will be admissable and a studied verdict will be made... I think its now only a matter of time before a club goes down this route to seek recompence and also to send a signal to other teams in future that they had better watch their step and not target players for 'special treatment' ....

perhaps dearest Arsene could be a pioneer yet again... :coolsmiley:

It's happened in hockey, but it's much easier to prove when you have something other than your body as a weapon.  If you have to watch super slow-mo to see where a player's eyes were focused, it would be incredibly difficult to ever get beyond a reasonable doubt.  All it would do is make some defense lawyers extremely wealthy for defending players. 

Not only that, but try getting an impartial jury for a case involving an EPL player.  There would have to a be a change of venue to another country.
Title: Re: Stoke 1-2 Tottenham
Post by: Gareth Keown on August 26, 2010, 01:43:59 PM
I really dont think that in civil-cases a jury is even used.... it would be decided thru due-process by reasoning, intelligent, experienced judges or magistrates not influenced by nuanced opinion on the finer points of Citeh over Blackburn Rovers...

it would take but 1 club to go forward with this idea and I think it would set a standard whereby cynical coaches will think twice about instructing their hired thugs to 'get stuck in' and 'let him know your there' and other cute euphemisms used to camouflage the pursuit of 'legalised' violence..