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Our DEFENCE is not GOOD ENOUGH. Panic merchants, have they never been told ATTACK is the best form of DEFENCE try passing the ball to another team member and keeping possession, instead of just hoofing it out anywhere, the chances are it will come straight back, and it did to our cost, I've seen under 16's defend a 1-0 lead better than us. That was CRAP pure unadulterated CRAP, and there can be no excuses for that, it is basic. And before anyone accuses me of being a BOO-BOY, just think about it. As I have said before, about 50% of goals are conceded in the first 5 mins and the last 5 mins of each half, look at when we concede goals, generally late in the game when we are trying to hang on to a lead. I say again IT IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH!!!!!!
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Does that stat of 40% refer to Spurs, because I am referring to ALL Leagues and I think you will find across all leagues it is very close to 50% and has been for a number of years. A good friend of mine over here who is also a qualified UEFA coach told me that when I was his assistant coach at a Club in Melbourne.
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Our DEFENCE is not GOOD ENOUGH. Panic merchants, have they never been told ATTACK is the best form of DEFENCE try passing the ball to another team member and keeping possession, instead of just hoofing it out anywhere, the chances are it will come straight back, and it did to our cost, I've seen under 16's defend a 1-0 lead better than us. That was CRAP pure unadulterated CRAP, and there can be no excuses for that, it is basic. And before anyone accuses me of being a BOO-BOY, just think about it. As I have said before, about 50% of goals are conceded in the first 5 mins and the last 5 mins of each half, look at when we concede goals, generally late in the game when we are trying to hang on to a lead. I say again IT IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH!!!!!!
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The stats are 40% of conceded goals this season were in the last 10 minues of games. It is not a new thing, and has been going on for years.
AVB said he does not understand why ?? Well I do. Both goals yesterday, as PF points out were caused by panic defending, hoofing the ball upfield instead of passing it. Also, yet again they both came about down our vulnerable left side, conbined with balls into the box causing panic in our defence.
We really must get a top quality LB, and another experienced CB to go with Verthongen. Caulker is for the future, but lacks the experience to shut out games where we lead 1-0 with 10 minutes to go, and Gallas is past it.
And another thing, without Bale we really create jack s**t. Its pathetic really, and on the back of 3 prem wins, hugely disappointing. Levy & AVB really do need to shake things up or we are in for a season of underachievement again.
It seems that Assou-Ekotto switched his TV off before the final whistle.
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Even though the result at the weekend wasn't a happy one we mustn't forget that we are still in a healthy position.
Even though the result at the weekend wasn't a happy one we mustn't forget that we are still in a healthy position.
If we keep shipping goals at the end of matches like we have so far this season then our position will start to look rather unhealthy, AVB's insistence on defending one goal leads is costing us points !!!!
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Have to blame Caulker 100% for the equalliser. Lloris can quite clearly be heard calling to claim the ball only for Caulker to attempt to hoof it away. If he leaves it for Lloris he catches it and kills another 30 seconds.
Have to blame Caulker 100% for the equalliser. Lloris can quite clearly be heard calling to claim the ball only for Caulker to attempt to hoof it away. If he leaves it for Lloris he catches it and kills another 30 seconds.
I agree. He should have left it to the goalkeeper.
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Caulker is young, but very talented, and IMO will become a top CB. What we do seem to lack is a dominant defender, someone to take charge in these situations where they all flap under pressure. Somehow Dawson and Gallas dont quite do it for the full 90 minutes. Maybe Verthongen needs to speak up more. Whatever happens we must persist with Caulker, for like Lloris, Dembele, Walker and Verthongen he is our future. Given time and the right coaching, once BAE is fit, surely we will have a solid back 4 ?]
Obviously you haven't read my post, it is a fact that almost 50% of goals are scored in the 1st 5 and last 5 mins of each half, and I do not recall blaming AVB for Sundays loss, what I did say was after reading his comment on the Spurs Website,that he is "hugely disappointed", that as the coach he should "Bloody Well sort it out", so that it stops happening, because I am sorry it ain't acceptable, it is happening to often,(by that I mean we are conceding too many late goals and it is starting to cost us)and the buck stops with him, end of story.Get it f---ing sorted out. YES I AM PISSED OFF!!
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Voice,First of all you should go back and check what I said. I said or asked “How do you know that AVB insisted that we defend a one goal lead?” You reply was that “AVB was the man who makes the subs”. Yes, I know this. I also agree with what you said here. But it still doesn’t answer my question. Putting on subs doesn’t equate to instructing the players to sit back and hold on to a 1 goal lead. So I ask you the question again “How do you know that AVB insisted that we defend a one goal lead?”
Wake up to yourself man, Like it or not AVB is the man making the decisions regarding substitutions and has to take responsibility for them, conceding late goals is unfortunately becoming a habit of late, and it is starting to cost us points, and in most cases its because of panic in the defence.
He is the coach and as such he has to start insisting that his defence, late in the game Bloody Well STOPS hoofing the ball out of defence and starts passing it to OUR PLAYERS so we have at least some chance of keeping possession, because by hoofing it out 9 times out of 10 it will find an opposition player and will eventually come back, thus putting the defence under more pressure, surely you must agree that the best form of defence is attack, and possession is nine tenths of the law is it not?
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Personally, I believe it is quite obvious simply by the players that he is taking off, and the players that he is replacing them with, not always I agree, but in most cases he tries to flood the midfield with defensive type players, especially late in games when we have a 1 goal lead, which to me is a clear indication that he is trying to shut up shop, and unfortunately it ain't been working as a lot of our results have shown.
Don't you think that it is strange that everyone else can see it, everyone, except our esteemed coaching panel, yet they still persist in being so predictable, and that is what really pisses me off.
Personally, I believe it is quite obvious simply by the players that he is taking off, and the players that he is replacing them with, not always I agree, but in most cases he tries to flood the midfield with defensive type players, especially late in games when we have a 1 goal lead, which to me is a clear indication that he is trying to shut up shop, and unfortunately it ain't been working as a lot of our results have shown.
Don't you think that it is strange that everyone else can see it, everyone, except our esteemed coaching panel, yet they still persist in being so predictable, and that is what really pisses me off.
Does anyone else listen to the SpursShow podcast ?
Well to my point this they had the Spurs correspondent from the London Evening Standard on this week with Terry Gibson and they were discussing the problem of concededing late goals. Anyway the correspondent said that when AVB was at Chelski they had the same problem and apparantly it's something his teams suffer from !!! Before anyone says I'm doom and glooming I'm only repeating what was said by someone else, check it out for yourselves the SpursShow is on Itunes.
Also we looked alot stronger at the back and didn't concede late on when Dawson was playing a player that AVB has been very reluctant to use !!!
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Does anyone else listen to the SpursShow podcast ?
Well to my point this they had the Spurs correspondent from the London Evening Standard on this week with Terry Gibson and they were discussing the problem of concededing late goals. Anyway the correspondent said that when AVB was at Chelski they had the same problem and apparantly it's something his teams suffer from !!! Before anyone says I'm doom and glooming I'm only repeating what was said by someone else, check it out for yourselves the SpursShow is on Itunes.
Also we looked alot stronger at the back and didn't concede late on when Dawson was playing a player that AVB has been very reluctant to use !!!
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You mentioned Chelsea or Chelski, but what about previous clubs before Chelski? Bearing in mind he wasn't at that club very long.
I agree that there could have been other reasons why he substituted certain players, but by bringing on defensive players in their place it is pretty obvious, is it not, that he is trying to FLOOD the midfield in order to SHUT UP SHOP. Well I think so, and it will take a lot to convince me otherwise. Whatever he is doing at the moment isn't working and I believe that he and the rest of his coaching panel need to have a massive rethink, and get it right.
As for him inheriting the bulk of the squad, these are the same players that finished in 4th place last season, with the exception of the players that have been sold, and the players that have been bought to replace those players, and before anyone says it I know we have injuries, but so does everyone else, that just goes to show that we don't have the depth in our Squad, and that my friends is because Mr Levy hasn't bought them, we know that he has spent money, but I question some of his purchases, and some of his sales as well.
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Ledley King actually said that having Parker playing in front of him made his life so much easier, but I wonder whether he is part of AVB's plans, Dawson also makes the defence seem a lot stronger, but as Ugs quite rightly says he doesn't seem to feature in his long term plans. I suppose we will just have to wait and see won't we. I just hope it doesn't cost us that is all.
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I hope you are right. He has always been true to the team since his move from Forest and although he has had some bad games at times, I rate him highly and I hope he stays.
Voice,
We do disagree on a lot of things but as you say we both basically want the same and that is for SPURS to be successful, I just wonder whether that is what Mr Levy really wants, he had the opportunity to sign 2 players in the last window(players I hasten to add that AVB wanted) but his assessment of their worth fell far below their respective clubs value and as a consequence we failed to sign them, much to everybodys disgust, and those two players would certainly have strengthened the squad. I just hope he hasn't ruined any chance we had of signing them in Jan.
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Voice,
We do disagree on a lot of things but as you say we both basically want the same and that is for SPURS to be successful, I just wonder whether that is what Mr Levy really wants, he had the opportunity to sign 2 players in the last window(players I hasten to add that AVB wanted) but his assessment of their worth fell far below their respective clubs value and as a consequence we failed to sign them, much to everybodys disgust, and those two players would certainly have strengthened the squad. I just hope he hasn't ruined any chance we had of signing them in Jan.
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Voice,
We do disagree on a lot of things but as you say we both basically want the same and that is for SPURS to be successful, I just wonder whether that is what Mr Levy really wants, he had the opportunity to sign 2 players in the last window(players I hasten to add that AVB wanted) but his assessment of their worth fell far below their respective clubs value and as a consequence we failed to sign them, much to everybodys disgust, and those two players would certainly have strengthened the squad. I just hope he hasn't ruined any chance we had of signing them in Jan.
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Do we really know the reasons why we failed to sign them. Did they really want to come to us ? I get the feeling that unless the club makes an official statement giving reasons for things that happen, we will never know the truth.
As we all know, footballers and their agents can be extremely greedy and overrate their own worth.