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Title: Hull City v Tottenham
Post by: Chelmsford_yid on November 23, 2014, 02:31:11 PM

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Title: Re: Hull City v Tottenham
Post by: RiffHard on November 23, 2014, 04:59:37 PM
One of our former players scoring against us? Who would have imagined that?
Title: Re: Hull City v Tottenham
Post by: Metalanimal on November 23, 2014, 05:04:58 PM
And another breaking down our attacks, if we loose today which looks likely I cant see poch lasting much longer.  I dont want him gone but I can see Levy and Co loosing faith.
Title: Re: Hull City v Tottenham
Post by: Glenn R on November 23, 2014, 07:29:32 PM
We won because, yet again, they (our opponents) had a player sent off. Wasn't it Aston Villa where we won when they had a player sent off?

Sadly I have no confidence in our team. The only good point I can see is that other clubs (apart from Chelsea) are also crap.  We need to buy in the January window in the hope of saving face.
Title: Re: Hull City v Tottenham
Post by: Chelmsford_yid on November 23, 2014, 09:17:55 PM
Bringing on Lennon, added the pace/cross we needed. Which lead to the first goal.
I was begin to forget about this little fella.
Title: Re: Hull City v Tottenham
Post by: RSS61 on November 24, 2014, 07:49:26 AM
I just cannot get over how bad we were in the first half. If Hull weren't equally bad, we might have been 3-0 down at half time. Once again, it took a player sent off to somehow wake us up, though I suspect we were going to have a better 2nd half anyway.
A few people on here have recently said why doesn't Dembele start more often ? I think yesterday's performance answered that one. As for Lamela/Soldado -  I really see no hope for those two. The back 4 were all over the place as usual, and you know you have trouble when Cherices is brought on for "tactical reasons !!!
Eriksen really is the only class outfield player we have, though Kane and Mason are putting in decent shifts, and at least Kane scores now and again, unlike Soldado, who really is totally hopeless.
How bad is the prem this year, when we are 2 points off Man Utd in 4th, who are also crap.
Title: Re: Hull City v Tottenham
Post by: dimexi on November 24, 2014, 07:57:11 AM
Bringing on Lennon, added the pace/cross we needed. Which lead to the first goal.
I was begin to forget about this little fella.

I know Lennon isn't always playing at the top of his game but when he does, what he does best, he can be effective. It also shows the key area we need to inject into the side. The positions are negotiable to a certain degree (i.e. anyone can be replaced and improved upon with the exception of Lloris) but whoever we bring in, they must, absolutely must have pace.

We also need Poch to stop playing the pooch and start playing the...(take your pick: Rottweiler, Border Collie, Labrador etc.)
Title: Re: Hull City v Tottenham
Post by: RiffHard on November 24, 2014, 02:39:17 PM
...you know you have trouble when Cherices is brought on for "tactical reasons !!!
To be fair, he was good yesterday.
Title: Re: Hull City v Tottenham
Post by: RSS61 on November 24, 2014, 04:01:37 PM
...you know you have trouble when Cherices is brought on for "tactical reasons !!!
To be fair, he was good yesterday.

Yes, he was better at RB than Dyer.
Title: Re: Hull City v Tottenham
Post by: Blackjack on November 24, 2014, 05:35:27 PM
I personaly believe we are not seeing the real Tottenham due to this stupid, silly , outrages tatic we continue to use in flooding the midfield!, I keep bringing this up but it is blatently obvious that we NEED out and out wingers!!!, yes in the past we have had many but now we have none!!!!, we continue to play so cramped its ridiculous, yesterday the was one moment when we Fazio tried to play it out from the back and there where 6 players in the space of 10ft! in the end he did a rash pass and gave possession away in a dangerous area!, we have big names under performing but in realistic terms how much is this down to not getting to the byline and or whipping early balls into the box to create havoc in our opponents penalty area we will start doing some real damage!, to create the space in behind we must split the opposing teams midfield and and centerbacks, this can only be achieved by moving the ball quickly across the entire pitch!.
If we do this then maybe our big names will start producing whats expected of them!, there is no way in hell this will happen playing like we are at present.
Title: Re: Hull City v Tottenham
Post by: Jane on November 24, 2014, 07:30:38 PM
I went to the game and I was not impressed. We were lucky again that they had a player sent off, but I cannot see us improving without new blood. I go to many away games (all home games) and it is making me feel depressed.

Jane x
Title: Re: Hull City v Tottenham
Post by: Spursx on November 24, 2014, 07:44:26 PM
I too went to the match yesterday and all I can say is 'thank god' they had a player sent off. We seem to be better against 9 than 10.

I also watched the Crystal Palace game yesterday, against Liverpool and I thought, if we only had some of their players with their fighting attitude. Two home games we must win coming up. I am too scared to call that one. :hide:
Title: Re: Hull City v Tottenham
Post by: dimexi on November 25, 2014, 01:01:26 AM
The only good point I can see is that other clubs (apart from Chelsea) are also crap.  We need to buy in the January window in the hope of saving face.

For once I completely agree with you. The way things are looking, there is actually a chance that we could play the worst football in my lifetime and still get into Europe, possibly even Champions League. However, I actually think this would be the worst thing that could happen to us. It would only further Levy & Co's beliefs that they are doing a great job and they would be in no mind to change their philosophy or approach. That would believe that is was their hard work, their decisions that helped us get there. Rather than seeing the reality that is was more down to the incompetence of the other teams around us. Yes, for a short while we could celebrate being in the the Champion's League for example, but this would be a very short celebration, as I think it would be unlikely we would get past the qualifying stage.

I want us to get there obviously, but I also want what is best for the club and what is best for the fans. The supporters deserve to watch the kind of football that is comparable to the amount of money they are handing over each week / season. Personally, I think they are entitled to a refund for selling something under false pretenses. We need to find out what is the root of all our problems and fix it quick. It isn't the manager's fault, how can it be? When it does not matter who is in charge, the product is the same. There is more to this than we are told, I'm sure of it.

But it also makes me wonder, why are there so many teams playing well under expectation. Along with our good selves, teams like Ars*nal, Liverpool, Everton, Manchester Utd and City to a certain extent are all dropping points and not playing to the quality we are used to. Suddenly, Newcastle, West Ham, Swansea and particularly Southampton are producing more effective results. Why? It isn't because they have gone out and spent a 100 million on new players, that is for sure. It has to be more to do with the ethos at each club. A little while back Pardew and Allardyce we getting pressure from the fans, but they were kept in place, now look at them. Are they benefiting from the poor quality around them, or are they doing something better behind the scenes?
Title: Re: Hull City v Tottenham
Post by: RiffHard on November 25, 2014, 06:44:51 AM
Despite us playing like crap, I am happy that the Premier League has become somewhat more interesting as anyone can drop points against anyone.
Title: Re: Hull City v Tottenham
Post by: Blackjack on November 25, 2014, 08:00:24 AM
Despite us playing like crap, I am happy that the Premier League has become somewhat more interesting as anyone can drop points against anyone.
The only good point I can see is that other clubs (apart from Chelsea) are also crap.  We need to buy in the January window in the hope of saving face.

For once I completely agree with you. The way things are looking, there is actually a chance that we could play the worst football in my lifetime and still get into Europe, possibly even Champions League. However, I actually think this would be the worst thing that could happen to us. It would only further Levy & Co's beliefs that they are doing a great job and they would be in no mind to change their philosophy or approach. That would believe that is was their hard work, their decisions that helped us get there. Rather than seeing the reality that is was more down to the incompetence of the other teams around us. Yes, for a short while we could celebrate being in the the Champion's League for example, but this would be a very short celebration, as I think it would be unlikely we would get past the qualifying stage.

I want us to get there obviously, but I also want what is best for the club and what is best for the fans. The supporters deserve to watch the kind of football that is comparable to the amount of money they are handing over each week / season. Personally, I think they are entitled to a refund for selling something under false pretenses. We need to find out what is the root of all our problems and fix it quick. It isn't the manager's fault, how can it be? When it does not matter who is in charge, the product is the same. There is more to this than we are told, I'm sure of it.

But it also makes me wonder, why are there so many teams playing well under expectation. Along with our good selves, teams like Ars*nal, Liverpool, Everton, Manchester Utd and City to a certain extent are all dropping points and not playing to the quality we are used to. Suddenly, Newcastle, West Ham, Swansea and particularly Southampton are producing more effective results. Why? It isn't because they have gone out and spent a 100 million on new players, that is for sure. It has to be more to do with the ethos at each club. A little while back Pardew and Allardyce we getting pressure from the fans, but they were kept in place, now look at them. Are they benefiting from the poor quality around them, or are they doing something better behind the scenes?



You are right in there is things going on behind closed doors and we will probably never find out!, but on the football side the reason for some of the lesser teams playing well is that they are doing the basic things right and not having the money to spend they have now got settled teams, the player know each others games but most of all they play with passion and desire, a will to win thats second to none, they have been so used to playing for their league survival that now they know no diffrence in playing that way every single game!, if half our team showed this we would be finding consistency, but at present the manager keeps changing things around because he is still searching for his right team, this coupled with not getting Schnidelen and the current players lack of or refusing to play the way he wants( which I hate by the way), I want to be fair to MP but his current arrogance is borderline stupidity at the moment and when watching sat in the dug out his whole dimeana is very laid back and if us the fans can see this then the players can too.
Title: Re: Hull City v Tottenham
Post by: Glenn R on November 25, 2014, 05:13:24 PM
Despite us playing like crap, I am happy that the Premier League has become somewhat more interesting as anyone can drop points against anyone.

I was having a think about what I said earlier, that the other teams are crap. Another explanation is that the other clubs – like Palace, Burnley, Southampton, Newcastle etc – are just better teams and we can no longer take anybody for granted. There was a time when you could go up against a club like Southampton, Burnley, or Newcastle and expect to take points. Moreover, I am not just talking about Spurs here, but clubs like Ars*nal, City, United and Chelsea. Now we are in a more even league. Overall that is good for football, whether it is good for the team you support, then that is another matter. Just a thought.
Title: Re: Hull City v Tottenham
Post by: yidmafioso on November 25, 2014, 09:22:51 PM
Despite us playing like crap, I am happy that the Premier League has become somewhat more interesting as anyone can drop points against anyone.

I was having a think about what I said earlier, that the other teams are crap. Another explanation is that the other clubs – like Palace, Burnley, Southampton, Newcastle etc – are just better teams and we can no longer take anybody for granted. There was a time when you could go up against a club like Southampton, Burnley, or Newcastle and expect to take points. Moreover, I am not just talking about Spurs here, but clubs like Ars*nal, City, United and Chelsea. Now we are in a more even league. Overall that is good for football, whether it is good for the team you support, then that is another matter. Just a thought.
You make a very good point. However, this is the worst squad we`ve had in about 7 years by my reckoning.Everybody else is getting stronger and we`re getting weaker .
Title: Re: Hull City v Tottenham
Post by: spursjoolz on November 25, 2014, 11:03:56 PM
You make a very good point. However, this is the worst squad we`ve had in about 7 years by my reckoning.Everybody else is getting stronger and we`re getting weaker .

True, we have had better squads over the past few but still have achieved nothing. I wonder if our new gaffer will improve on that in January?
Title: Re: Hull City v Tottenham
Post by: RSS61 on November 26, 2014, 07:24:38 AM
You make a very good point. However, this is the worst squad we`ve had in about 7 years by my reckoning.Everybody else is getting stronger and we`re getting weaker .

True, we have had better squads over the past few but still have achieved nothing. I wonder if our new gaffer will improve on that in January?

The question is, as always, will better players than we already have be available, and if so, will they want to come to us ? If the last few transfer windows are anything to go by, then the answer is no.
Title: Re: Hull City v Tottenham
Post by: dimexi on November 26, 2014, 11:17:38 AM

I was having a think about what I said earlier, that the other teams are crap. Another explanation is that the other clubs – like Palace, Burnley, Southampton, Newcastle etc – are just better teams and we can no longer take anybody for granted. There was a time when you could go up against a club like Southampton, Burnley, or Newcastle and expect to take points. Moreover, I am not just talking about Spurs here, but clubs like Ars*nal, City, United and Chelsea. Now we are in a more even league. Overall that is good for football, whether it is good for the team you support, then that is another matter. Just a thought.

They may be better, more, or as effective as us/Ars*nal/liverpool etc. But I wouldn't say they were better in quality than what we these clubs were in recent years. I don't think their football has improved over recent years, the football played today is not near the same same standard as that of 5-10 years ago. Some of these teams are playing the same way, to the same standard but are getting more points for their pound as it were. Having a closer league is a good thing though for the good of the sport, I just wish it was closer, but with better football being played as well. If we were playing like we were, if we had kept the standard and quality of our squad then, the only side that would be competing with us would be Chelsea. At the time we were asking the club to push on, to make the important decisions to do what was necessary to put together a proper title challenge. This isn't just about pumping money, recklessly into the club, but through having the right philosophy. Looking back now, it seems such a wasted opportunity.
Title: Re: Hull City v Tottenham
Post by: RSS61 on November 26, 2014, 12:16:17 PM

I was having a think about what I said earlier, that the other teams are crap. Another explanation is that the other clubs – like Palace, Burnley, Southampton, Newcastle etc – are just better teams and we can no longer take anybody for granted. There was a time when you could go up against a club like Southampton, Burnley, or Newcastle and expect to take points. Moreover, I am not just talking about Spurs here, but clubs like Ars*nal, City, United and Chelsea. Now we are in a more even league. Overall that is good for football, whether it is good for the team you support, then that is another matter. Just a thought.

They may be better, more, or as effective as us/Ars*nal/liverpool etc. But I wouldn't say they were better in quality than what we these clubs were in recent years. I don't think their football has improved over recent years, the football played today is not near the same same standard as that of 5-10 years ago. Some of these teams are playing the same way, to the same standard but are getting more points for their pound as it were. Having a closer league is a good thing though for the good of the sport, I just wish it was closer, but with better football being played as well. If we were playing like we were, if we had kept the standard and quality of our squad then, the only side that would be competing with us would be Chelsea. At the time we were asking the club to push on, to make the important decisions to do what was necessary to put together a proper title challenge. This isn't just about pumping money, recklessly into the club, but through having the right philosophy. Looking back now, it seems such a wasted opportunity.

Correct. The wasted opportunity was when we were in 3rd place with a 12 point lead over Ars*nal. Harry wanted a CB & striker. He got Saha & Nelson. That was a wasted opportunity for us to finish 3rd or higher. We have never been the same since then.
Title: Re: Hull City v Tottenham
Post by: Glenn R on November 26, 2014, 03:40:23 PM
Despite us playing like crap, I am happy that the Premier League has become somewhat more interesting as anyone can drop points against anyone.

I was having a think about what I said earlier, that the other teams are crap. Another explanation is that the other clubs – like Palace, Burnley, Southampton, Newcastle etc – are just better teams and we can no longer take anybody for granted. There was a time when you could go up against a club like Southampton, Burnley, or Newcastle and expect to take points. Moreover, I am not just talking about Spurs here, but clubs like Ars*nal, City, United and Chelsea. Now we are in a more even league. Overall that is good for football, whether it is good for the team you support, then that is another matter. Just a thought.
You make a very good point. However, this is the worst squad we`ve had in about 7 years by my reckoning.Everybody else is getting stronger and we`re getting weaker .

I agree. I was watching City and Chelsea last night and they are million miles ahead of us. Even some of the so-called lower clubs are better than us.
Title: Re: Hull City v Tottenham
Post by: Blackjack on November 26, 2014, 05:31:27 PM
Despite us playing like crap, I am happy that the Premier League has become somewhat more interesting as anyone can drop points against anyone.

I was having a think about what I said earlier, that the other teams are crap. Another explanation is that the other clubs – like Palace, Burnley, Southampton, Newcastle etc – are just better teams and we can no longer take anybody for granted. There was a time when you could go up against a club like Southampton, Burnley, or Newcastle and expect to take points. Moreover, I am not just talking about Spurs here, but clubs like Ars*nal, City, United and Chelsea. Now we are in a more even league. Overall that is good for football, whether it is good for the team you support, then that is another matter. Just a thought.
You make a very good point. However, this is the worst squad we`ve had in about 7 years by my reckoning.Everybody else is getting stronger and we`re getting weaker .

I agree. I was watching City and Chelsea last night and they are million miles ahead of us. Even some of the so-called lower clubs are better than us.

Spot on guys :up: , I dont want to keep going on about the past but when you compare the HR team to this it really hits home how backwards we have gone :'( , from the brink of a title challenge to a complete train crash!, the football was great, there where excelent national players and some hot youth prospects coming through(Bale), now the football is dreadfull, the manager has more excuses than the priminister!( who has just come out and said im not the manager im the head coach!!!) dont even want to go there :2funny: , There is no Keane, Defoe, Bale, RVT, Modric, who we can look to for insperation!, I not only feel we slipped out of the top 4 challenging but we are mid table at best!, are we now going to be a cup side and just plod along in the league, be the usuall whipping boys for the Citys and Chelsea etc?, its alost like the 80s all over again except back then we had Hoddle, Waddle, Allen, Clemence, Perryman, MABBUT who had some grit to get the team motivated, we had GREAT players that would light up the Lane and give us hope! WHAT HAVE WE GOT NOW?, STABOULI, FAZIO, BENTALEB,CHIRECHES, NAUGHTON!!! well great there real world beaters those guys!!!...this is without doubt the worst Tottenham team I have ever seen :-[   Chelsea, West Ham, Ars*nal, must be loving us right now.