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Tottenham Discussion => Match Day Chat => Topic started by: RiffHard on November 09, 2014, 03:54:04 PM
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Just great, a loss. Why on earth did Pochettino sell Dawson and bring in Fazio who is so horribly below par that it hurts?
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Im going to say that MP has no idea what to do with this pile of crap!, thet are just not enough!, what makes it worse is his persistance in playing his style of football could very well see us bottom by christmas. I do not share the idea of giving him time because he is clearly another AVB and his own arragonce in not seeing whats right infront of him will spell desaster for THFC!, I believe if we continue to let him choose a side as he is doing then we are going to need another get out of jail card, >:(
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We could actually get relegated playing like this...
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There is something very wrong here and do I want to watch us lose to Stoke on MOTD at home tonight? NO,
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It sums it up when our own fans dont want to watch our team!, we dont even play like a sunday legue team now.
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Terrible display, why is MP sticking with this style of play that the players can not or will not adapt too.
I also question is ability to motivate the team, install passion and hunger in their performances. We are in dire trouble and getting worse.
Will MP be given time to build I this displays I doubt it as he is showing zero promise TBH
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As I've said before - I really think Pochettino's lack of English is one of the factors. Also, it seems the players are unsure of themselves and team's tactics. I think Pochettino will get the sack before 2015, and while he hasn't actually set the Lane alight, it would mean we'd be back to the drawing-board once again and this time there's no-one in our system who'd take the role and seriously, who would want to take over a club run by Levy and his muppet Baldini?!
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I don't understand why he will not tell his wing players to stay out wide and play two upfront?, he has has plenty of warning so if he goes he will have only himself to blame!, he got booed of at ht and ft and and surely Levy cannot condone these displays?. :'(
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Part of the problem is the MP doesn't know his best team BUT given that most of our players are of the same average ability its no wonder. Very few of our players are automatic choices right now. Other than Llloris I can't name one player who should play before anybody else? Adebayor came on today and did nothing. He didn't upset the Stoke defence in any way to allow Kane enjoy a bit of freedom? Dembele is totally off his game, Lamela is a one trick pony, Mason tries and tries but he's not Glen Hoddle, Kaboul is a disaster, Rose is a winger turned full back and the list goes on and on and on. Not MP's fault that he inherited a very ordinary squad but at least change the system and give us something to support?
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Levy out, Baldini out. Once those two are gone, then let the new people decide who is going to be our next manager. I said before that if this goes wrong again then it must be Levy who takes the first hit. If that does not happen and we get rid of MP first, then nothing will change.
Look at Southampton, they sold half their squad, lost MP and yet they are having the best season for a long time, why? Maybe it is because the structures and people they have in place in and around the club are good. MP may have only done as well as he did there, because of that fact, rather than his own innate ability. he carried on the good work done by Nigel Adkins did.
The s**t filters down from the top, if it is rotten there, how do we expect our managers to polish a turd?
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Part of the problem is the MP doesn't know his best team BUT given that most of our players are of the same average ability its no wonder. Very few of our players are automatic choices right now. Other than Llloris I can't name one player who should play before anybody else? Adebayor came on today and did nothing. He didn't upset the Stoke defence in any way to allow Kane enjoy a bit of freedom? Dembele is totally off his game, Lamela is a one trick pony, Mason tries and tries but he's not Glen Hoddle, Kaboul is a disaster, Rose is a winger turned full back and the list goes on and on and on. Not MP's fault that he inherited a very ordinary squad but at least change the system and give us something to support?
DB99 I think you have it spot on out of all these posts. Quite frankly we have just 2 players who would get into a genuine top 4 side, Lloris and JVT(who looks like he's lost interest)
So where do we go from here ? Well unless we can bring in some players who are capable of playing Pochettino's system, then I imagine that he, like his dozen or so predecessors, will get sacked.
Is Levy really that arrogant that he somehow imagines all this s**t is not his fault ? Probably. Is Lewis bothered enough to sack Levy ? probably not.
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Well, I don't think we payed well and we certainly didn't deserve the win. We are on a downward trend at the mo and I cannot see where the improvements will be coming from. I hope that Kane is given a chance to start his first game with posssibly Soldado behind him and today at home v Stoke would be a great opportunity, as long as we shore up the back!
AND THEREIN LIES THE PROBLEM :tickedoff: :tickedoff:
As I said "The Defence is the problem" Rose(Not a Left Back's Arsehole), Kaboul(Couldn't organize a Piss-Up in a Brewery, let alone a defence), Fazio(Well the Juries out, too early to tell), Naughton(Just not a Premier League Player). :tickedoff: :tickedoff: :tickedoff:
I just cannot understand Pochettino's Team Selections, he gives Kane a much deserved PL start, but plays him as a lone striker, HE NEEDS HELP, play him with either Ade or Soldado to support him, why is Paulinho not even on the bench, and what about Stambouli, we had nearly ONE MILLIONS POUNDS WORTH OF PLAYERS SAT ON THE BENCH, and those 2 weren't even among them, and Davies as well. >:( >:( >:(
That was one of the worst performances I have seen for many a year, and I have seen some poor one's, let me tell you, but that was a f**kING DISGRACE, the whole Team should be ASHAMED of themselves, and Levy and Co. should seriously consider resigning because THEY are ULTIMATELY RESPONSIBLE. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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The more we descuss it we are all more or less on the same wave length and your right, Stambouli brought in and does not play!, Davis brought in and does not play!, are we now buying players to just sell on?, we need them NOW!, BEST TEAM ONLY, get a string of good results then tinker!, that is ofcourse if what we have is good enough and I dont think it is, Levy and Baldini have really missed the ship on this one. >:(
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We could actually get relegated playing like this...
I would agree with you if it wasn’t for that we are not the only ones misfiring. Apart from Chelsea, they are all in trouble. City drew with QPR (and don't forget Stoke beat City on City's ground), Swansea beat Ars*nal etc. over the weekend. We are eleventh in the league, but only four points behind fourth place (West Ham). We are seven points behind City, who are in third place. Southampton, who were favourites to struggle this season are second. The only team that has a decent record is Chelsea. Chelsea is unbeaten. Saying all that, we are only seven points behind Burnley, who are at rock bottom. And because of that we are still in with a shout to be in the top four, at the same time we are also in with a shout to be relegation.
This has to be one of the most unusual seasons in Premier league history. From what I said above, I wouldn’t rule out of a top 4 place, at the same time I wouldn’t rule us out being relegated.
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You are quite right the positve and negative margains are small at the moment so we do have a slim chance to get back in there, the most worrying thing is we are not playing or showing any improvement and all we hear from the manager is excuses!, he now MUST , stop the good guy aproach and gey stuck into his players and also take a long hard look at his own actions as if he sorts himself out the team may start responding!, personaly I think we might have finaly used up all our lives. Another 3-4 more games like the last home games and we will be well adrift of the pack.
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Reading the posts above I agree that there is not much difference between us from the top or bottom, but still, I cannot see us grabbing that top four spot. And we are not bad enough to get relegated, but that does not change the fact that we were rubbish on Sunday, and we seem to be getting worse. Kane was given his chance to start and fluffed it. To be fair to him he should have been up front with Soldado. I do not blame the manager, but the crap he was to work with (which he inherited). What next? Spurs away to Hull, that is what is next. On paper, a win, but the way we have been playing a catastrophe could be on the cards.
Jane x
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You are quite right the positve and negative margains are small at the moment so we do have a slim chance to get back in there, the most worrying thing is we are not playing or showing any improvement and all we hear from the manager is excuses!, he now MUST , stop the good guy aproach and gey stuck into his players and also take a long hard look at his own actions as if he sorts himself out the team may start responding!, personaly I think we might have finaly used up all our lives. Another 3-4 more games like the last home games and we will be well adrift of the pack.
Agreed
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Reading the posts above I agree that there is not much difference between us from the top or bottom, but still, I cannot see us grabbing that top four spot. And we are not bad enough to get relegated, but that does not change the fact that we were rubbish on Sunday, and we seem to be getting worse. Kane was given his chance to start and fluffed it. To be fair to him he should have been up front with Soldado. I do not blame the manager, but the crap he was to work with (which he inherited). What next? Spurs away to Hull, that is what is next. On paper, a win, but the way we have been playing a catastrophe could be on the cards.
Jane x
There has always been a thin line between success and failure and we are riding on that line atm. We missed a fantastic opportunity to overtake ManU, Liverpool and a few others and draw level with the Arse in 6th place. I would have put my shirt on a win at home to Stoke. Well... almost! Instead we will now be shaking all the way to Hull in the hope that our 3 ex-players have a crap game. Believe me when I say that Huddlestone, Dawson & Livermore will do their best to upset their old mates.
It will take a complete change of attitude to get any points at Hull. So, more of the same this week-end methinks!
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Howdy again folks,
I watched the game against Stoke and I was appalled by the rubbish I saw. I am 78 years old and I’ve seen some great players in my time. I was about 10 when I was taken to White Hart Lane and I’ve seen some great football in my time. Great managers like Arthur Rowe (I saw the push and run side), Bill Nicholson (again, I saw the double team) an even Burkinshaw, but what I have seen lately must make those managers turn in their grave (and yes I know Burkinshsaw is still alive). What is happening to our and their Spurs? When you put on a Spurs shirt you showed respect, but this current crop of s**te is a disgrace. Managers come and bugger us up and leave and are replaced by another one with different ideas. We need consistency, mental strength and respect for the badge. But what we have instead is over inflated players who want big bucks for doing as little as possible.
The manager should say you either play or you are out. Out! Not to pander to their whims. It won’t be long until we become a laughing stock.
As for the comments about others playing badly, poppycock. We shouldn’t be worrying about other’s failings. We should be worrying about ourselves. We don’t want to slip in on the backs of other’s disappointments. That is not the Spurs way, only a cowardly slimy no gooder would sneak in through the back door.
Spurs have got a break so a few heads should be banged together with a few swift kicks up the jacksies.
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One of the reasons I haven’t been on for a while is because of the rubbish I witnessed on Sunday just gone. I agree with Don when he said we could end up being a laughing stock. How can those players live with themselves? They call themselves professionals, what a laugh! I’ve seen better football on a park. Unless somebody sorts them out quickly, we could be looking at Championship football next season. I’ve been a season ticket holder for years and I have seen some crap in my time and what I witnessed on Sunday seems to be competing with Spurs previous dark days.
I am also not interested with the other clubs doing badly, my only concern is Spurs and them lifting themselves from the floors of hell.
We are Spurs, not clowns trying to amuse the Ars*nal supporters.
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I agree with Don when he said we could end up being a laughing stock.
We already have.
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Howdy again folks,
I watched the game against Stoke and I was appalled by the rubbish I saw. I am 78 years old and I’ve seen some great players in my time. I was about 10 when I was taken to White Hart Lane and I’ve seen some great football in my time. Great managers like Arthur Rowe (I saw the push and run side), Bill Nicholson (again, I saw the double team) an even Burkinshaw, but what I have seen lately must make those managers turn in their grave (and yes I know Burkinshsaw is still alive). What is happening to our and their Spurs? When you put on a Spurs shirt you showed respect, but this current crop of s**te is a disgrace. Managers come and bugger us up and leave and are replaced by another one with different ideas. We need consistency, mental strength and respect for the badge. But what we have instead is over inflated players who want big bucks for doing as little as possible.
The manager should say you either play or you are out. Out! Not to pander to their whims. It won’t be long until we become a laughing stock.
As for the comments about others playing badly, poppycock. We shouldn’t be worrying about other’s failings. We should be worrying about ourselves. We don’t want to slip in on the backs of other’s disappointments. That is not the Spurs way, only a cowardly slimy no gooder would sneak in through the back door.
Spurs have got a break so a few heads should be banged together with a few swift kicks up the jacksies.
Interesting points, and I agree totally, having watched Spurs since 1965 myself. I seem to remember that our last really great manager, Keith Burkinshaw, was complaining of player power when he resigned all those years ago.
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We need an influx of new players, players that Pochettino want, not what Levy want.
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Changing and chopping mid-season doesn't bring us the success we are craving for. Sad, but true.
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Changing and chopping mid-season doesn't bring us the success we are craving for. Sad, but true.
But we are not going to get success with the players we've got and we need another striker or two. Normally I would agree with you, however, we need an influx of new talent into the squad. Pochettino needs his own squad, not hand-me-downs.
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What we need is Poch to have the insight, vision and ability to work with the players that he has and play to their strengths if he can identify them, right now he isn't getting any new players and Jan is a long way off if you look at points that can be won and lost in that time.
He is not doing himself any favors with the players, the supporters and those in power continuing with his methods which are not working at all and then sighting excuses regarding pitch width and not having the players to play his system is just utter crap and tells me he is crumbling.
What is most worrying this season is that we are in clear decline, there is little to cheer regarding our performances, nothing to give us hope. Due to this its worrying times, I don't believe we will get anywhere near top 4 this season and if all continues bottom 4 is more likely and rebuilding will be even harder.
Why have the last 3 managers failed so badly is the question that now needs to be asked and answered.
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What we need is Poch to have the insight, vision and ability to work with the players that he has and play to their strengths if he can identify them, right now he isn't getting any new players and Jan is a long way off if you look at points that can be won and lost in that time.
He is not doing himself any favors with the players, the supporters and those in power continuing with his methods which are not working at all and then sighting excuses regarding pitch width and not having the players to play his system is just utter crap and tells me he is crumbling.
What is most worrying this season is that we are in clear decline, there is little to cheer regarding our performances, nothing to give us hope. Due to this its worrying times, I don't believe we will get anywhere near top 4 this season and if all continues bottom 4 is more likely and rebuilding will be even harder.
Why have the last 3 managers failed so badly is the question that now needs to be asked and answered.
Grim reading and sadly very true. Our last game v Stoke has really got me down and I cannot think straight on our upcoming visit to Hull. Another lost game would really set the freefall to the relegation zone. The only glimmer of hope is that the boys will realize how serious the situation is and get their fingers out at Kick-off!
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Pochettino is Villas-Boas MKII
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Pochettino is Villas-Boas MKII
Based on stats Riff far worse, we are currently having our worst start to an EPL season since 2008/09 and that was under Ramos!
I am not convinced by Poch, I dont want him changed as I feel we need to build and have stability. The powers that be have made many mistakes over recent seasons, sacking AVB far too early being the biggest. Time to stop chopping and changing managers and for Levy & Co support them instead, I feel it will get worse before it gets better.