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Tottenham Discussion => Spurs Chat => Topic started by: toadlad on March 15, 2014, 08:38:13 AM
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Ever since Levy sacked Harry, and in hindsight we would be better off if he hadn't, Levy has made some terrible mistakes which have set us back years. Looking at the manager and 25 man squad from then to now it's very depressing and frustrating. I know some transfers are inevitable, but this is just to highlight the change for 2 players in every position and a simple yes or no to whether it was a success. I'm not saying I don't rate the players, just whether they have proved better or as good as than their predecessor so far!
Harry > Avb = No
Gomes > Lloris = Yes
Friedel
Walker
Naughton
Dawson
King > Vertonghen = Yes
Kaboul
Caulker > Chiriches = No
Ekotto > Fryers = No
Rose
Lennon
Dos Santos > Lamela = No
Modric > Dembele = No
Huddlestone > Paulinho = No
Sandro
Parker > Capoue = No
Bale > Chadli = No
Townsend
Van der Vaart > Eriksen = Yes
Kranjcar > Sigurdsson = No
Defoe > Soldado = No
Adebayor
Far too many No's.
Rumours of Hugo and Jan leaving for champions league just makes it worse too. Huddlestone is the biggest mistake for me though of who we chose to sell, as he made us play football and us why we are worse at home now as we don't use the ball well with the majority of possession. The next manager has a huge job on their hands looks like another summer of re building, but most of the new players will have a better 2nd season, they can't get worse that's for sure!
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Sorry but I would have Paulinho over Huddlestone any day.
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Due to events and lack of loyalty shown to our great club Arry had to go, it was his own doing. I will admit we did great with his guidance unlike many other clubs he has managed so it just goes to show the talent he had available.
Looking at the list, I would argue that Chiriches (when fit) is a more effective defender and brings more to the team than Caulker, however I was disappointed to see Caulker sold as he certainly had a role with us and was one a future first team starter!
Paulinho far better than Huddlestone there is no comparison but again on his day Huddlestone can make things happen but he was just so slow and his fitness was a major issue!
Dembele is not a play maker and as such Modric has yet to be replaced.
Eriksen needs more game time and to prove he is an equal or better replacement for VDV.
The rest of would agree with.
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I would have to say that Huddlestone was no great loss for the team. On his day he showed some class, but too static. I would also have put Huddlestone > Capoue and then it would be a close yes/no. If you put Parker > Paulinho I think they are closer in style and on their impact on a game, but I would still call that a no. The lose of an equivalent Parker, for me is one of the key problems with our midfield.
Also agree with metal that Dembele is no replacement for Modric. So that also needs to happen to sort out the midfield balance. The rest of the list I agree with.
(oh and give me Harry's mythical lack of loyalty over this mess any day of the week)
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I would have to say that Huddlestone was no great loss for the team. On his day he showed some class, but too static. I would also have put Huddlestone > Capoue and then it would be a close yes/no. If you put Parker > Paulinho I think they are closer in style and on their impact on a game, but I would still call that a no. The lose of an equivalent Parker, for me is one of the key problems with our midfield.
Also agree with metal that Dembele is no replacement for Modric. So that also needs to happen to sort out the midfield balance. The rest of the list I agree with.
(oh and give me Harry's mythical lack of loyalty over this mess any day of the week)
If Arry was loyal we wouldn't have slipped those 10 points whilst he was waiting for the news to break that he was next England boss and couldn't give a toss about us, if he was loyal he would have accepted Levys improved contract offer to fend off England but no and we know the outcome! I would have great respect if he came out and said something to commit to us instead no the Arthur Daily of football was looking for his next profile raising story, done well since hasnt he!
In the last 2 years we have gone backwards, not so much wasted time but time badly managed by the powers that be at the club.
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Sorry but I would have Paulinho over Huddlestone any day.
Me too. No contest there
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If Arry was loyal we wouldn't have slipped those 10 points whilst he was waiting for the news to break that he was next England boss and couldn't give a toss about us, if he was loyal he would have accepted Levys improved contract offer to fend off England but no and we know the outcome! I would have great respect if he came out and said something to commit to us instead no the Arthur Daily of football was looking for his next profile raising story, done well since hasnt he!
In the last 2 years we have gone backwards, not so much wasted time but time badly managed by the powers that be at the club.
If Harry was loyal, then he would have been a spurs supporter as a boy and all through his life, then his actions could be considered disloyal. I just think we disagree on his right to want to be England manager. For him that would have been the pinnacle of his career and I would have preferred him to be England manager than have Hodgson. I also think that had he been given that job, our transition to the next manager would have been far more positive.
I still blame the FA and Levy trying to turn the situation into a money making exercise again, over Harry's desire to lead the country to a world cup.
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Paulinho is still to show his best, but no doubting his class. Hudd could have played with him. If not Hudd, then we haven't bought another ball player, and against Benfica it showed more than ever! I thought it was Avb's slow/negative tactics, but there is something lacking from our rhythm. Levy's next appointment is the most important ever now, I just hope he gets an experienced manager who can sign his own players!
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Ever since Levy sacked Harry, and in hindsight we would be better off if he hadn't, Levy has made some terrible mistakes which have set us back years. Looking at the manager and 25 man squad from then to now it's very depressing and frustrating. I know some transfers are inevitable, but this is just to highlight the change for 2 players in every position and a simple yes or no to whether it was a success. I'm not saying I don't rate the players, just whether they have proved better or as good as than their predecessor so far!
As a Spurs supporter for as far back as I can remember. "2 years wasted" is an understatement. Way before Harry took over, we had Gross, Ardiles (great player, bad manager unfortunately), a Gooner who shall remain nameless, Santini, Ramos and probably a few others who were all pretty useless. It would be hard to find a manager/coach who has made difference to our club in the past 30 years, bar Venables & Pleat imo. So, "rebuilding" has been an almost yearly event and will no doubt carry on for many more years to come.
Will we see Spurs win the League in the next 10 years?
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Completely agree with everything said about harry .He would have bailed on spurs if he was offered the england job and when he wasn`t he all of a sudden wanted to sign a new contract .Hopefully he`ll be stuck in the championship for a while to teach him a lesson .I also agree with 99% of what spursjoolz says .Rebuilding should be our motto instead of audere est facere .However , one thing i do disagree with is the bit about "the gooner who shall remain nameless". He was undermined by the board and forced out .While he was in charge we saw a renaissance at white hart lane .We were a team to be feared again and had he been give some decent money to spend i think he would have been in charge for a good spell .Everything that has gone wrong at spurs can be traced back to levy .To be successful we need stability and consistency and we wont get that with him in charge .
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I do not totally disagree with the Gooner's mini renaissance, but all said and done, he was a Gooner through and through and would never have been a fan. The fact that he was appointed at all was a great shock to many. Furthermore, he has been slagging us ever since on the few times I have seenhim on TV.
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I am a little shocked by the amount of people who blame Harry!, lets not forget it, we were bottom of the league near the end of November with just TWO points! and he turned a relagation looking team into finishing 8th! , remarkable I think, He saved our future because I hate to think what might have happened had we gone down!!!. After the that we never finished below 5th, finishing 4th TWICE!, we where playing some wonderful football and we had become a regular team in Europe!, not to say a debut in the champions league!, He brought more hope to me in believing we where closing in on challenging for the league, bit by bit, slowly and surely we started getting better and better!!, we still had hick ups but we where giving as good as we got :) . Im not trying to turn Harry into a marter or anything Im just saying we should be thanking him and praising him!. Sure the court case and the England job was a distraction but it was still the same players doing the buissness on the pitch!, not him.
I dont blame Harry for wanting the England job either, any English manager would want it!, the high of the carrers!!!. He was the best of the crop at the time and its a shame he never got it, what he did do is mix experience and quality with youth and got a good blend and we saw the results on the pitch!, now with so many changes we have unbalance, players arguring on the pitch, most of the new players are not good enough or dont understand there job, the older experienced players dont seem to care now either!, it is as if they have decided to let someone else take the lead, World cup year has not helped either as the players are not giving 110% as they dont want to risk there place in there national team through injury. This lack of desire and determination is having a domino effect on the team as whole!, and this is why it is paramount that a leader on the pitch need to be found, I feel sorry for Sherwood he is giving everything but the players are just not in the right frame of mind, they too quickly revert back to bad habbits and old ways when things are not going there way!, the youngsters are getting the wrong signals aswell, they see the badness on the pitch and put that into there game and so our team is spiralling on a downward path :-[ . Tim has the passion but alas not the experience or the players so this is going to end bad for him :'( , what ashame I really like him, I dont see any quick fix!, I dont see any real flare in our team, I dont see us scoring many goals anymore, I dont see us keeping clean sheets! as the more the team keeps blaming itself and wellowing in self pitty rather than just getting on with there jobs there paid to do we are deemed to keep failing. As shown above, looking back at the players we have let go it totally baffles you!, This is very very bad management right from the top!, Levy may well have thought he was running a good buissness bt how much of an investment is it when we keep falling!!!, our shares go down!!!, our revenue drops when once again we struggle to even finish top 7!, He may think OK il just bring somebody else in and he will get us back on track! lol, does he really believe that Van Gaal will wave a magic wand and things will be back to what they where?, wake up and smell the coffee Mr Levy!, it wouldnt surprise me one bit that when it comes to appointing another manager those faithfulls of his will have switched sides and gone elsewhere or suddenly no longer want the job!, knowing they are deemed to fail and this will leave a bad blip on there own CVs!!!, How do they expect to lure the required quality of player needed? where are the funds going to come from with no superstar strutting millions of dollars on the pitch with a FOR SALE sign on him saying! come and get Real, M.U, Barcelona etc.!!!!, are you getting the picture here?!!! things could not be much worse since Harry left and the most worrying part of all is, who do we know that we really think is good enough to motivate the players, experienced enough to ween out the deadwood!, stop all the perks and nice stuff the players get?. get them playing football 24/7. eat football!sleep football!!! stand up and become a player worthy of the Spurs shirt. Is there such a manager? I cant think of anyone really, not like when we new Harry was coming!, the buzz around the ground! , the gossip of us fans thinking we going places!!, all this seems but a faint memory >:(
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I am a little shocked by the amount of people who blame Harry!, lets not forget it, we were bottom of the league near the end of November with just TWO points! and he turned a relagation looking team into finishing 8th! , remarkable I think, He saved our future because I hate to think what might have happened had we gone down!!!. After the that we never finished below 5th, finishing 4th TWICE!, we where playing some wonderful football and we had become a regular team in Europe!, not to say a debut in the champions league!, He brought more hope to me in believing we where closing in on challenging for the league, bit by bit, slowly and surely we started getting better and better!!, we still had hick ups but we where giving as good as we got :) . Im not trying to turn Harry into a marter or anything Im just saying we should be thanking him and praising him!. Sure the court case and the England job was a distraction but it was still the same players doing the buissness on the pitch!, not him.
I dont blame Harry for wanting the England job either, any English manager would want it!, the high of the carrers!!!. He was the best of the crop at the time and its a shame he never got it, what he did do is mix experience and quality with youth and got a good blend and we saw the results on the pitch!, now with so many changes we have unbalance, players arguring on the pitch, most of the new players are not good enough or dont understand there job, the older experienced players dont seem to care now either!, it is as if they have decided to let someone else take the lead, World cup year has not helped either as the players are not giving 110% as they dont want to risk there place in there national team through injury. This lack of desire and determination is having a domino effect on the team as whole!, and this is why it is paramount that a leader on the pitch need to be found, I feel sorry for Sherwood he is giving everything but the players are just not in the right frame of mind, they too quickly revert back to bad habbits and old ways when things are not going there way!, the youngsters are getting the wrong signals aswell, they see the badness on the pitch and put that into there game and so our team is spiralling on a downward path :-[ . Tim has the passion but alas not the experience or the players so this is going to end bad for him :'( , what ashame I really like him, I dont see any quick fix!, I dont see any real flare in our team, I dont see us scoring many goals anymore, I dont see us keeping clean sheets! as the more the team keeps blaming itself and wellowing in self pitty rather than just getting on with there jobs there paid to do we are deemed to keep failing. As shown above, looking back at the players we have let go it totally baffles you!, This is very very bad management right from the top!, Levy may well have thought he was running a good buissness bt how much of an investment is it when we keep falling!!!, our shares go down!!!, our revenue drops when once again we struggle to even finish top 7!, He may think OK il just bring somebody else in and he will get us back on track! lol, does he really believe that Van Gaal will wave a magic wand and things will be back to what they where?, wake up and smell the coffee Mr Levy!, it wouldnt surprise me one bit that when it comes to appointing another manager those faithfulls of his will have switched sides and gone elsewhere or suddenly no longer want the job!, knowing they are deemed to fail and this will leave a bad blip on there own CVs!!!, How do they expect to lure the required quality of player needed? where are the funds going to come from with no superstar strutting millions of dollars on the pitch with a FOR SALE sign on him saying! come and get Real, M.U, Barcelona etc.!!!!, are you getting the picture here?!!! things could not be much worse since Harry left and the most worrying part of all is, who do we know that we really think is good enough to motivate the players, experienced enough to ween out the deadwood!, stop all the perks and nice stuff the players get?. get them playing football 24/7. eat football!sleep football!!! stand up and become a player worthy of the Spurs shirt. Is there such a manager? I cant think of anyone really, not like when we new Harry was coming!, the buzz around the ground! , the gossip of us fans thinking we going places!!, all this seems but a faint memory >:(
There is only one man who could do the job required... We need Harry back, it is as simple as that. Not only would it sort the team out on the pitch, having Levy saying I got it wrong and eating humble pie would send the right signal to us very disillusioned fans.
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I am a little shocked by the amount of people who blame Harry!, lets not forget it, we were bottom of the league near the end of November with just TWO points! and he turned a relagation looking team into finishing 8th! , remarkable I think, He saved our future because I hate to think what might have happened had we gone down!!!. After the that we never finished below 5th, finishing 4th TWICE!, we where playing some wonderful football and we had become a regular team in Europe!, not to say a debut in the champions league!, He brought more hope to me in believing we where closing in on challenging for the league, bit by bit, slowly and surely we started getting better and better!!, we still had hick ups but we where giving as good as we got :) . Im not trying to turn Harry into a marter or anything Im just saying we should be thanking him and praising him!. Sure the court case and the England job was a distraction but it was still the same players doing the buissness on the pitch!, not him.
I dont blame Harry for wanting the England job either, any English manager would want it!, the high of the carrers!!!. He was the best of the crop at the time and its a shame he never got it, what he did do is mix experience and quality with youth and got a good blend and we saw the results on the pitch!, now with so many changes we have unbalance, players arguring on the pitch, most of the new players are not good enough or dont understand there job, the older experienced players dont seem to care now either!, it is as if they have decided to let someone else take the lead, World cup year has not helped either as the players are not giving 110% as they dont want to risk there place in there national team through injury. This lack of desire and determination is having a domino effect on the team as whole!, and this is why it is paramount that a leader on the pitch need to be found, I feel sorry for Sherwood he is giving everything but the players are just not in the right frame of mind, they too quickly revert back to bad habbits and old ways when things are not going there way!, the youngsters are getting the wrong signals aswell, they see the badness on the pitch and put that into there game and so our team is spiralling on a downward path :-[ . Tim has the passion but alas not the experience or the players so this is going to end bad for him :'( , what ashame I really like him, I dont see any quick fix!, I dont see any real flare in our team, I dont see us scoring many goals anymore, I dont see us keeping clean sheets! as the more the team keeps blaming itself and wellowing in self pitty rather than just getting on with there jobs there paid to do we are deemed to keep failing. As shown above, looking back at the players we have let go it totally baffles you!, This is very very bad management right from the top!, Levy may well have thought he was running a good buissness bt how much of an investment is it when we keep falling!!!, our shares go down!!!, our revenue drops when once again we struggle to even finish top 7!, He may think OK il just bring somebody else in and he will get us back on track! lol, does he really believe that Van Gaal will wave a magic wand and things will be back to what they where?, wake up and smell the coffee Mr Levy!, it wouldnt surprise me one bit that when it comes to appointing another manager those faithfulls of his will have switched sides and gone elsewhere or suddenly no longer want the job!, knowing they are deemed to fail and this will leave a bad blip on there own CVs!!!, How do they expect to lure the required quality of player needed? where are the funds going to come from with no superstar strutting millions of dollars on the pitch with a FOR SALE sign on him saying! come and get Real, M.U, Barcelona etc.!!!!, are you getting the picture here?!!! things could not be much worse since Harry left and the most worrying part of all is, who do we know that we really think is good enough to motivate the players, experienced enough to ween out the deadwood!, stop all the perks and nice stuff the players get?. get them playing football 24/7. eat football!sleep football!!! stand up and become a player worthy of the Spurs shirt. Is there such a manager? I cant think of anyone really, not like when we new Harry was coming!, the buzz around the ground! , the gossip of us fans thinking we going places!!, all this seems but a faint memory >:(
There is only one man who could do the job required... We need Harry back, it is as simple as that. Not only would it sort the team out on the pitch, having Levy saying I got it wrong and eating humble pie would send the right signal to us very disillusioned fans.
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Whilst I tend to agree with you Dimexi, but that would be like 'Shutting the gate after the Horse has bolted' and Levy would never admit he was wrong, imo what needs to happen is for there to be a bloody good clearout starting right from the very TOP(Levy), because until that idiot goes this will continue happening. :( :( :(
Blackjack, I totally agree with your post, and have said as much in the past, isn't it every manager/coach's ultimate aim to be the coach of his national team? :nods: :nods:
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I would have to say that Huddlestone was no great loss for the team. On his day he showed some class, but too static. I would also have put Huddlestone > Capoue and then it would be a close yes/no. If you put Parker > Paulinho I think they are closer in style and on their impact on a game, but I would still call that a no. The lose of an equivalent Parker, for me is one of the key problems with our midfield.
Also agree with metal that Dembele is no replacement for Modric. So that also needs to happen to sort out the midfield balance. The rest of the list I agree with.
(oh and give me Harry's mythical lack of loyalty over this mess any day of the week)
If Arry was loyal we wouldn't have slipped those 10 points whilst he was waiting for the news to break that he was next England boss and couldn't give a toss about us, if he was loyal he would have accepted Levys improved contract offer to fend off England but no and we know the outcome! I would have great respect if he came out and said something to commit to us instead no the Arthur Daily of football was looking for his next profile raising story, done well since hasnt he!
In the last 2 years we have gone backwards, not so much wasted time but time badly managed by the powers that be at the club.
IMO Metal you are spot on, with all these points
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Also I thought Paul Mersons observations yesterday rang true. When asked if he thought Spurs were good enough to finish top 4, he said " Nowhere near good enough, simple as that. And Sherwood is not to blame. The hierarchy of the club, who spent 100 million on 7 players, none of whom are good enough, and not one of whom has been a success, are to blame"
He is perfectly correct.
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I would have to say that Huddlestone was no great loss for the team. On his day he showed some class, but too static. I would also have put Huddlestone > Capoue and then it would be a close yes/no. If you put Parker > Paulinho I think they are closer in style and on their impact on a game, but I would still call that a no. The lose of an equivalent Parker, for me is one of the key problems with our midfield.
Also agree with metal that Dembele is no replacement for Modric. So that also needs to happen to sort out the midfield balance. The rest of the list I agree with.
(oh and give me Harry's mythical lack of loyalty over this mess any day of the week)
If Arry was loyal we wouldn't have slipped those 10 points whilst he was waiting for the news to break that he was next England boss and couldn't give a toss about us, if he was loyal he would have accepted Levys improved contract offer to fend off England but no and we know the outcome! I would have great respect if he came out and said something to commit to us instead no the Arthur Daily of football was looking for his next profile raising story, done well since hasnt he!
In the last 2 years we have gone backwards, not so much wasted time but time badly managed by the powers that be at the club.
IMO Metal you are spot on, with all these points
I dont think it was that which caused us to drop those points it was just so typical of a Spurs side for the the last 20 years! we star well, get to about Jab/Feb and then seem to have our slump in the run in to the end of the season!!!, whether thats down to fitness, complacency, arrogance or bad luck I dont know but this is how its always been?, plus our record against the big 4 has been horendous much weaker teams can get good results from them!, this has been a major problem for years!, if we could get about half the amount of points from these games this would be the extra push needed to finish in the top 4 regular!, alas though we seem to falter nearly everytime when these games come about!, to many big names dont produce or self control is lacking, they let the fear factor get the better of them and we roll over and get tanked!, Harry had stopped this in his rein, we where picking up alot of points from them and at the very least making then work hard to beat us. Not now we are becoming the whipping boys of the premier league now!, home or away.
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The problem is that we sold good players and then expected 8 players to be embedded in straight away. An impossible task for whomever was in charge.
Let us hope that who ever it next season's manager is given time.
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Every year is the same. It sounds like Del Boy: "Next year we'll be millionaires"!!
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Every year is the same. It sounds like Del Boy: "Next year we'll be millionaires"!!
:tickedoff:
I can't see it changing until we get a new stadium.
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Every year is the same. It sounds like Del Boy: "Next year we'll be millionaires"!!
:tickedoff:
I can't see it changing until we get a new stadium.
As long as we dont do a Sunderland! build a new stadium and then get relegated :o .
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We have to have a team fit for the new stadium, which at the moment we don't. In all my years supporting Spurs I have never been so optimistic at the start of the season, only to have the whole thing come crashing down around me. The new players all sounded great we had a progressive thinking manager, all the pundits were saying we would be in contention for the title. Things looked great, and to be fair we started well if not spectacularly. Our defence was rock solid for the most part. Then we played Man City and Liverpool and we realised it was The Emperors new clothes we had been seeing yet again. The new players weren't all they were cracked up to be. The Manager was clueless, we were back to the bad old days. A new Manager came in. Most of us were a bit dubious but we gave him a chance and things were ok for a while. We beat Man Utd but then so did everybody else, so that said more about them than us. The wheels started to wobble and against Chelsea and Benfica they fell off. Now I cant wait to get this blighted season over with. I shall watch the remaining games from behind the sofa fearful every time our defence is playing higher up the field than some teams centre forwards. Knowing that any hoof from an opposing defender has the potential to be a defence splitting pass, as we don't have the pace to play that high up the pitch. Watching in dismay as our central midfielders fall over each other as both of them want to be standing on the same yard of turf or even worse seem incapable of passing to a man in a white shirt. And howling in anguish as our strikers squander chance after chance. ( There is a guy in about row K of the Paxton Road stand who most games gets more touches than Soldado ) After every game I will listen to Tim Sherwood either say we are playing well so he is surprised we lost or slagging off the team that lets face it he selected. Next season I will take a more jaundiced approach taking the view that pessimist's are seldom disappointed maybe for Spurs fans that is the way forward. Time will tell.
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We have to have a team fit for the new stadium, which at the moment we don't. In all my years supporting Spurs I have never been so optimistic at the start of the season, only to have the whole thing come crashing down around me. The new players all sounded great we had a progressive thinking manager, all the pundits were saying we would be in contention for the title. Things looked great, and to be fair we started well if not spectacularly. Our defence was rock solid for the most part. Then we played Man City and Liverpool and we realised it was The Emperors new clothes we had been seeing yet again. The new players weren't all they were cracked up to be. The Manager was clueless, we were back to the bad old days. A new Manager came in. Most of us were a bit dubious but we gave him a chance and things were ok for a while. We beat Man Utd but then so did everybody else, so that said more about them than us. The wheels started to wobble and against Chelsea and Benfica they fell off. Now I cant wait to get this blighted season over with. I shall watch the remaining games from behind the sofa fearful every time our defence is playing higher up the field than some teams centre forwards. Knowing that any hoof from an opposing defender has the potential to be a defence splitting pass, as we don't have the pace to play that high up the pitch. Watching in dismay as our central midfielders fall over each other as both of them want to be standing on the same yard of turf or even worse seem incapable of passing to a man in a white shirt. And howling in anguish as our strikers squander chance after chance. ( There is a guy in about row K of the Paxton Road stand who most games gets more touches than Soldado ) After every game I will listen to Tim Sherwood either say we are playing well so he is surprised we lost or slagging off the team that lets face it he selected. Next season I will take a more jaundiced approach taking the view that pessimist's are seldom disappointed maybe for Spurs fans that is the way forward. Time will tell.
Brillint bro! someone on the same wave length as me!, spot on!!!!!!!!!!!!!. :up:
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We have to have a team fit for the new stadium, which at the moment we don't. In all my years supporting Spurs I have never been so optimistic at the start of the season, only to have the whole thing come crashing down around me. The new players all sounded great we had a progressive thinking manager, all the pundits were saying we would be in contention for the title. Things looked great, and to be fair we started well if not spectacularly. Our defence was rock solid for the most part. Then we played Man City and Liverpool and we realised it was The Emperors new clothes we had been seeing yet again. The new players weren't all they were cracked up to be. The Manager was clueless, we were back to the bad old days. A new Manager came in. Most of us were a bit dubious but we gave him a chance and things were ok for a while. We beat Man Utd but then so did everybody else, so that said more about them than us. The wheels started to wobble and against Chelsea and Benfica they fell off. Now I cant wait to get this blighted season over with. I shall watch the remaining games from behind the sofa fearful every time our defence is playing higher up the field than some teams centre forwards. Knowing that any hoof from an opposing defender has the potential to be a defence splitting pass, as we don't have the pace to play that high up the pitch. Watching in dismay as our central midfielders fall over each other as both of them want to be standing on the same yard of turf or even worse seem incapable of passing to a man in a white shirt. And howling in anguish as our strikers squander chance after chance. ( There is a guy in about row K of the Paxton Road stand who most games gets more touches than Soldado ) After every game I will listen to Tim Sherwood either say we are playing well so he is surprised we lost or slagging off the team that lets face it he selected. Next season I will take a more jaundiced approach taking the view that pessimist's are seldom disappointed maybe for Spurs fans that is the way forward. Time will tell.
Brillint bro! someone on the same wave length as me!, spot on!!!!!!!!!!!!!. :up:
I could not agree more Taime
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Every year is the same. It sounds like Del Boy: "Next year we'll be millionaires"!!
:tickedoff:
I can't see it changing until we get a new stadium.
The answer to all our problems, nothing to do with the hierarchy, its the Stadium that's the problem, get a new stadium and we will win the league.
ARE YOU SERIOUS
:o :o :o :o :o
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Every year is the same. It sounds like Del Boy: "Next year we'll be millionaires"!!
:tickedoff:
I can't see it changing until we get a new stadium.
The answer to all our problems, nothing to do with the hierarchy, its the Stadium that's the problem, get a new stadium and we will win the league.
ARE YOU SERIOUS
:o :o :o :o :o
Well Ars*nal's problems seemed to start with their new stadium !!!
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Every year is the same. It sounds like Del Boy: "Next year we'll be millionaires"!!
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I can't see it changing until we get a new stadium.
The answer to all our problems, nothing to do with the hierarchy, its the Stadium that's the problem, get a new stadium and we will win the league.
ARE YOU SERIOUS
:o :o :o :o :o
Actually what I said was tongue in cheek. However, the reason I made the comment was because I read an article by a Tottenham official that said once we can get a new stadium up and running we then can compete – financially – with the likes of United, Chelsea, City etc. In fact I wrote an article myself on the subject matter awhile back. I’ve also read this on a number of other occasions. That seems to be the thinking behind the scenes. And it seems to be supported by a number of journalists. What I can tell you is that we are not competing with the likes of those that I had mentioned at the moment. In fact we seem to be going backwards. Whether that is the fault of Levy, AVB, Sherwood or whoever, something needs to happen.
Well Ars*nal's problems seemed to start with their new stadium !!!
If that is the case then all I can say is “can we have some of those problems as well?” They’ve been constantly in the top 4 spot before and after the new stadium. They won or competed in all competitions. So; even though I started off by saying something that was tongue in cheek; you’ve shown us that maybe it shouldn’t have be tongue cheek.
They bought one player wisely this season (for £40 odd million). We spent £1001 million; which one of us was the wisest? Which one of us two will be playing European Championship football next season? Which one of us two could win the FA cup this season?
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Every year is the same. It sounds like Del Boy: "Next year we'll be millionaires"!!
:tickedoff:
I can't see it changing until we get a new stadium.
The answer to all our problems, nothing to do with the hierarchy, its the Stadium that's the problem, get a new stadium and we will win the league.
ARE YOU SERIOUS
:o :o :o :o :o
Actually what I said was tongue in cheek. However, the reason I made the comment was because I read an article by a Tottenham official that said once we can get a new stadium up and running we then can compete – financially – with the likes of United, Chelsea, City etc. In fact I wrote an article myself on the subject matter awhile back. I’ve also read this on a number of other occasions. That seems to be the thinking behind the scenes. And it seems to be supported by a number of journalists. What I can tell you is that we are not competing with the likes of those that I had mentioned at the moment. In fact we seem to be going backwards. Whether that is the fault of Levy, AVB, Sherwood or whoever, something needs to happen.
Well Ars*nal's problems seemed to start with their new stadium !!!
If that is the case then all I can say is “can we have some of those problems as well?” They’ve been constantly in the top 4 spot before and after the new stadium. They won or competed in all competitions. So; even though I started off by saying something that was tongue in cheek; you’ve shown us that maybe it shouldn’t have be tongue cheek.
They bought one player wisely this season (for £40 odd million). We spent £1001 million; which one of us was the wisest? Which one of us two will be playing European Championship football next season? Which one of us two could win the FA cup this season?
It seems were all nit picking now. Either way as the original post implied, we have definitely wasted 2 years, and if we wait for the stadium to be built we will probably waste another 10
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Every year is the same. It sounds like Del Boy: "Next year we'll be millionaires"!!
:tickedoff:
I can't see it changing until we get a new stadium.
The answer to all our problems, nothing to do with the hierarchy, its the Stadium that's the problem, get a new stadium and we will win the league.
ARE YOU SERIOUS
:o :o :o :o :o
Actually what I said was tongue in cheek. However, the reason I made the comment was because I read an article by a Tottenham official that said once we can get a new stadium up and running we then can compete – financially – with the likes of United, Chelsea, City etc. In fact I wrote an article myself on the subject matter awhile back. I’ve also read this on a number of other occasions. That seems to be the thinking behind the scenes. And it seems to be supported by a number of journalists. What I can tell you is that we are not competing with the likes of those that I had mentioned at the moment. In fact we seem to be going backwards. Whether that is the fault of Levy, AVB, Sherwood or whoever, something needs to happen.
Well Ars*nal's problems seemed to start with their new stadium !!!
If that is the case then all I can say is “can we have some of those problems as well?” They’ve been constantly in the top 4 spot before and after the new stadium. They won or competed in all competitions. So; even though I started off by saying something that was tongue in cheek; you’ve shown us that maybe it shouldn’t have be tongue cheek.
They bought one player wisely this season (for £40 odd million). We spent £1001 million; which one of us was the wisest? Which one of us two will be playing European Championship football next season? Which one of us two could win the FA cup this season?
It seems were all nit picking now. Either way as the original post implied, we have definitely wasted 2 years, and if we wait for the stadium to be built we will probably waste another 10
I agree that we’ve wasted a lot of time and something needs to be done about it.
As for the stadium; whether it helps us now or in the future it will be built. So far a lot of money has been invested in the Tottenham area and part of that investment includes a 55,000 seated stadium. What is for sure is that we need the big investment that a larger capacity stadium can bring ups otherwise we will always be just floating under the top 4.
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We have to have a team fit for the new stadium, which at the moment we don't. In all my years supporting Spurs I have never been so optimistic at the start of the season, only to have the whole thing come crashing down around me. The new players all sounded great we had a progressive thinking manager, all the pundits were saying we would be in contention for the title. Things looked great, and to be fair we started well if not spectacularly. Our defence was rock solid for the most part. Then we played Man City and Liverpool and we realised it was The Emperors new clothes we had been seeing yet again. The new players weren't all they were cracked up to be. The Manager was clueless, we were back to the bad old days. A new Manager came in. Most of us were a bit dubious but we gave him a chance and things were ok for a while. We beat Man Utd but then so did everybody else, so that said more about them than us. The wheels started to wobble and against Chelsea and Benfica they fell off. Now I cant wait to get this blighted season over with. I shall watch the remaining games from behind the sofa fearful every time our defence is playing higher up the field than some teams centre forwards. Knowing that any hoof from an opposing defender has the potential to be a defence splitting pass, as we don't have the pace to play that high up the pitch. Watching in dismay as our central midfielders fall over each other as both of them want to be standing on the same yard of turf or even worse seem incapable of passing to a man in a white shirt. And howling in anguish as our strikers squander chance after chance. ( There is a guy in about row K of the Paxton Road stand who most games gets more touches than Soldado ) After every game I will listen to Tim Sherwood either say we are playing well so he is surprised we lost or slagging off the team that lets face it he selected. Next season I will take a more jaundiced approach taking the view that pessimist's are seldom disappointed maybe for Spurs fans that is the way forward. Time will tell.
Great reply, nothing to add to this, do me a favour, type or write it and send to the Levy and ask he reads it, if needed someelse reads it and explains it to him! also send special delivery signed every bloody real spurs supporter!
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Every year is the same. It sounds like Del Boy: "Next year we'll be millionaires"!!
:tickedoff:
I can't see it changing until we get a new stadium.
The answer to all our problems, nothing to do with the hierarchy, its the Stadium that's the problem, get a new stadium and we will win the league.
ARE YOU SERIOUS
:o :o :o :o :o
Actually what I said was tongue in cheek. However, the reason I made the comment was because I read an article by a Tottenham official that said once we can get a new stadium up and running we then can compete – financially – with the likes of United, Chelsea, City etc. In fact I wrote an article myself on the subject matter awhile back. I’ve also read this on a number of other occasions. That seems to be the thinking behind the scenes. And it seems to be supported by a number of journalists. What I can tell you is that we are not competing with the likes of those that I had mentioned at the moment. In fact we seem to be going backwards. Whether that is the fault of Levy, AVB, Sherwood or whoever, something needs to happen.
Well Ars*nal's problems seemed to start with their new stadium !!!
If that is the case then all I can say is “can we have some of those problems as well?” They’ve been constantly in the top 4 spot before and after the new stadium. They won or competed in all competitions. So; even though I started off by saying something that was tongue in cheek; you’ve shown us that maybe it shouldn’t have be tongue cheek.
They bought one player wisely this season (for £40 odd million). We spent £1001 million; which one of us was the wisest? Which one of us two will be playing European Championship football next season? Which one of us two could win the FA cup this season?
It seems were all nit picking now. Either way as the original post implied, we have definitely wasted 2 years, and if we wait for the stadium to be built we will probably waste another 10
I agree that we’ve wasted a lot of time and something needs to be done about it.
As for the stadium; whether it helps us now or in the future it will be built. So far a lot of money has been invested in the Tottenham area and part of that investment includes a 55,000 seated stadium. What is for sure is that we need the big investment that a larger capacity stadium can bring ups otherwise we will always be just floating under the top 4.
Put that way Voice, I'm in agreement with you. We do need the stadium. Its just the frustration of years of really bad decisions thats so hard to take, and a new stadium wont guarantee that the new player selection will improve.
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Every year is the same. It sounds like Del Boy: "Next year we'll be millionaires"!!
:tickedoff:
I can't see it changing until we get a new stadium.
The answer to all our problems, nothing to do with the hierarchy, its the Stadium that's the problem, get a new stadium and we will win the league.
ARE YOU SERIOUS
:o :o :o :o :o
Actually what I said was tongue in cheek. However, the reason I made the comment was because I read an article by a Tottenham official that said once we can get a new stadium up and running we then can compete – financially – with the likes of United, Chelsea, City etc. In fact I wrote an article myself on the subject matter awhile back. I’ve also read this on a number of other occasions. That seems to be the thinking behind the scenes. And it seems to be supported by a number of journalists. What I can tell you is that we are not competing with the likes of those that I had mentioned at the moment. In fact we seem to be going backwards. Whether that is the fault of Levy, AVB, Sherwood or whoever, something needs to happen.
Well Ars*nal's problems seemed to start with their new stadium !!!
If that is the case then all I can say is “can we have some of those problems as well?” They’ve been constantly in the top 4 spot before and after the new stadium. They won or competed in all competitions. So; even though I started off by saying something that was tongue in cheek; you’ve shown us that maybe it shouldn’t have be tongue cheek.
They bought one player wisely this season (for £40 odd million). We spent £1001 million; which one of us was the wisest? Which one of us two will be playing European Championship football next season? Which one of us two could win the FA cup this season?
It seems were all nit picking now. Either way as the original post implied, we have definitely wasted 2 years, and if we wait for the stadium to be built we will probably waste another 10
I agree that we’ve wasted a lot of time and something needs to be done about it.
As for the stadium; whether it helps us now or in the future it will be built. So far a lot of money has been invested in the Tottenham area and part of that investment includes a 55,000 seated stadium. What is for sure is that we need the big investment that a larger capacity stadium can bring ups otherwise we will always be just floating under the top 4.
Put that way Voice, I'm in agreement with you. We do need the stadium. Its just the frustration of years of really bad decisions thats so hard to take, and a new stadium wont guarantee that the new player selection will improve.
That is true. But somewhere along the line somebody must realise that the way they've been handling things is damaging the club. Let us hope that they sort out the managerial problems by next season (that comment sounds familiar though :'()
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It's clear Levy wanted to replace Harry. In Avb's first season he had to deal with replacing King, Rafa and Modric. Jan did a good job last year, Dembele is a good and unique player but no playmaker. If we had signed Moutinho, and maybe it was just a smokescreen, we could have got 4th. Bale stepped into Rafa's role behind the striker and the rest is history, with Dempsey replacing him as a non creative but scores the odd goal winger. Now this season Bale was the huge hole to fill, our top goalscorer, and still the problem of no playmaker, made worse by selling Hudd. Plus the need to replace Dempsey but that shouldn't have been difficult! So below is the list of transfers from Avb's team that finished a point off 4th, to this season.
Bale - Soldado and Lamela. Even combined they haven't replaced half of his goals!
Dempsey - Eriksen and Chadli. Eriksen maybe our best signing but unsure of best role still. Chadli has been worst signing for me
Caulker - Chiriches. Considering Kaboul's history, it was bad management to let him leave. Vlad has been ok
Gallas - Fryers. Needed experienced cover as mentioned above
Hudd - Capoue. Started well but not the playmaker we need
Parker - Paulinho. As above
Ekotto - Rose. Every spurs fan wanted a proper left back. Coentreao should have been loaned at least as part of Bale deal. If not then a proper left back still!
So Bales goals are what we missed. Hence Benteke had to be a priority signing, even if he's struggled a bit this year in a poor team to be fair. Plus Remy could have been thrown in as we sent a few players to QPR.
36 million spent on Benteke and Eriksen, with Remy and Coentreao on loans. If this season had gone wrong, which is did anyway, we would have £55, million in the transfer kitty still!
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It's clear Levy wanted to replace Harry. In Avb's first season he had to deal with replacing King, Rafa and Modric. Jan did a good job last year, Dembele is a good and unique player but no playmaker. If we had signed Moutinho, and maybe it was just a smokescreen, we could have got 4th. Bale stepped into Rafa's role behind the striker and the rest is history, with Dempsey replacing him as a non creative but scores the odd goal winger. Now this season Bale was the huge hole to fill, our top goalscorer, and still the problem of no playmaker, made worse by selling Hudd. Plus the need to replace Dempsey but that shouldn't have been difficult! So below is the list of transfers from Avb's team that finished a point off 4th, to this season.
Bale - Soldado and Lamela. Even combined they haven't replaced half of his goals!
Dempsey - Eriksen and Chadli. Eriksen maybe our best signing but unsure of best role still. Chadli has been worst signing for me
Caulker - Chiriches. Considering Kaboul's history, it was bad management to let him leave. Vlad has been ok
Gallas - Fryers. Needed experienced cover as mentioned above
Hudd - Capoue. Started well but not the playmaker we need
Parker - Paulinho. As above
Ekotto - Rose. Every spurs fan wanted a proper left back. Coentreao should have been loaned at least as part of Bale deal. If not then a proper left back still!
So Bales goals are what we missed. Hence Benteke had to be a priority signing, even if he's struggled a bit this year in a poor team to be fair. Plus Remy could have been thrown in as we sent a few players to QPR.
36 million spent on Benteke and Eriksen, with Remy and Coentreao on loans. If this season had gone wrong, which is did anyway, we would have £55, million in the transfer kitty still!
Interresting look on it, I like this budm you have pointed out clearly what's missing, my only problem is who out there is affordable and willing to come to Spurs?.
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I think Levy has to back the new manager with more money, but for maybe just 3 key signings, a left back, playmaker and a striker. I fear united will beat us to any worthwhile targets this summer. Which means Louis Van Gaal or another top manager is the priority signing, as they will attract good players at least. I'm also very much hoping that our 7 signings improve dramatically next year, as huge change has proved a mistake. So a decent manager will get the best out of them with the right coaching and proper tactics!
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I think Levy has to back the new manager with more money, but for maybe just 3 key signings, a left back, playmaker and a striker. I fear united will beat us to any worthwhile targets this summer. Which means Louis Van Gaal or another top manager is the priority signing, as they will attract good players at least. I'm also very much hoping that our 7 signings improve dramatically next year, as huge change has proved a mistake. So a decent manager will get the best out of them with the right coaching and proper tactics!
I think we can add centre back to the shopping list as well. :nods: :nods:
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I think Levy has to back the new manager with more money, but for maybe just 3 key signings, a left back, playmaker and a striker. I fear united will beat us to any worthwhile targets this summer. Which means Louis Van Gaal or another top manager is the priority signing, as they will attract good players at least. I'm also very much hoping that our 7 signings improve dramatically next year, as huge change has proved a mistake. So a decent manager will get the best out of them with the right coaching and proper tactics!
I think we can add centre back to the shopping list as well. :nods: :nods:
I can't believe we are still asking for the same positions to be filled.
I would say that we need in the long term - 1 striker, 1 Playmaker, 1 LB, 1 CB and 1 Left winger.
However, I think we should limit ourselves to filling only 2 or 3 of these positions, but to fill them well. So that we don't repeat this year. We need to look at our squad and decide which of the players we have or signed this year which we think has the potential to raise their game next season and which positions do we think we simply must sort out if we can only choose 3?
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I think Levy has to back the new manager with more money, but for maybe just 3 key signings, a left back, playmaker and a striker. I fear united will beat us to any worthwhile targets this summer. Which means Louis Van Gaal or another top manager is the priority signing, as they will attract good players at least. I'm also very much hoping that our 7 signings improve dramatically next year, as huge change has proved a mistake. So a decent manager will get the best out of them with the right coaching and proper tactics!
Fair point, I fear we will be in a position perhaps whereby sales have to take place before a quantity of new signings although Levy apparently made funds available in Jan or is that just PR talk?
As we all know you cant replace 3/4 of a team and expect to be top drawer straight away, additions are needed and unfortunately they are in positions you have rifghtly highlighted and been needed for more than just this season, dam we have never really replaced Modric have we!
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It is doubtful that Levy will splash out more money and 3 signings will not happen. At most we may sign 2 if we can offload 2 to balance the books and if we sign a new manager. I will agree that we need a big name in that role to bring respect from the players which may be lacking atm with Sherwood and also to attract one or 2 bigger players.
It would be good if at least 3 or 4 of our last summer signings showed the class we all expected from them.
Defo 2 years wasted on the existing 20 or 30 previous wasted years. So what's new :tickedoff:
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It's clear Levy wanted to replace Harry. In Avb's first season he had to deal with replacing King, Rafa and Modric. Jan did a good job last year, Dembele is a good and unique player but no playmaker. If we had signed Moutinho, and maybe it was just a smokescreen, we could have got 4th. Bale stepped into Rafa's role behind the striker and the rest is history, with Dempsey replacing him as a non creative but scores the odd goal winger. Now this season Bale was the huge hole to fill, our top goalscorer, and still the problem of no playmaker, made worse by selling Hudd. Plus the need to replace Dempsey but that shouldn't have been difficult! So below is the list of transfers from Avb's team that finished a point off 4th, to this season.
Bale - Soldado and Lamela. Even combined they haven't replaced half of his goals!
Dempsey - Eriksen and Chadli. Eriksen maybe our best signing but unsure of best role still. Chadli has been worst signing for me
Caulker - Chiriches. Considering Kaboul's history, it was bad management to let him leave. Vlad has been ok
Gallas - Fryers. Needed experienced cover as mentioned above
Hudd - Capoue. Started well but not the playmaker we need
Parker - Paulinho. As above
Ekotto - Rose. Every spurs fan wanted a proper left back. Coentreao should have been loaned at least as part of Bale deal. If not then a proper left back still!
So Bales goals are what we missed. Hence Benteke had to be a priority signing, even if he's struggled a bit this year in a poor team to be fair. Plus Remy could have been thrown in as we sent a few players to QPR.
36 million spent on Benteke and Eriksen, with Remy and Coentreao on loans. If this season had gone wrong, which is did anyway, we would have £55, million in the transfer kitty still!
Very good assessment of where we have gone wrong IMO. Bale was our major asset and we should not have let him go without something in return, and as you say Benteke / Remy could not have been worse than Soldado. The important point being, we would still have 55 mill to spend this summer.
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I'm still pissed off that we made so many changes, I know it's been and gone, but the only players deffo leaving were Bale and Dempsey, who could have been replaced with Remy and Eriksen, then after sitting on the Bale money for a year, made shrewd signings this summer! I would like to see what else Baldini has done to earn his wage other than signing mostly flops!!
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I'm still pissed off that we made so many changes, I know it's been and gone, but the only players deffo leaving were Bale and Dempsey, who could have been replaced with Remy and Eriksen, then after sitting on the Bale money for a year, made shrewd signings this summer! I would like to see what else Baldini has done to earn his wage other than signing mostly flops!!
As your post rightly states, we have wasted 2 years. Nothing can undo that, what is vitally important is that Levy learns from his mistakes, if that is possible, and either sticks with Tim for another season, but gives him the players he wants, or brings in the right manager, and gives him the players he wants.
Otherwise we will waste another 2 years, or even worse.
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The thing is Bale was going, , he wanted to leave and so there was no point in keeping a player who no longer had100% for the club, the time was right to get a very good price for him so the deal was a good one for the club. The problem is we never replaced like for like!,I know we ould not get another Bale but there are quality left wingers out thete if you really look for them'!,just look at MU who have found Janezai!, what Spurs tried to do was change the way we play which is fine if you have the quality players suited to the new formation,AVB,wanted a lone striker and a flooded midfield with a high back line, his theory being win the ball high up the pitch so we have many players forward to be destructive to the opposition!, for this to work you need a Fabregas, Wilsher, Silva,Lampard,Gerrard in the centet who are comfortable on the ball in close quauters with out and out pacey wingers who get the ball to tje byline and whip quality crosses in the box, the midfield make runs forward to back up the striker. This does work but not with Dembele Sandro, Bentaleb, Capoue!, these are more defence brawn players and not known for fancy flicks and turning players inside out!, Lennon on th wing is passed his best and spends more time everywhere but on the wing!, Townsend is not getting enough game time, Soldado is starved of service and so coming out of position looking to get ivolved in the game.
The defence is highly exposed playing so high up the pitch, the players are not quick enough for defenders, are not composed on the ball enough for defenders, they do not talk to each other or act as a unit!, unfortunatly Spurs seem to think O I'll just put a big man in there and everything will be fine lol, nothing cn be furthet from the truth!.
No team can be truely great with these morals!, the playing areas must be addressed with quality not potentials!, get the quality first then nurture the prospects
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The thing is Bale was going, , he wanted to leave and so there was no point in keeping a player who no longer had100% for the club, the time was right to get a very good price for him so the deal was a good one for the club. The problem is we never replaced like for like!,I know we ould not get another Bale but there are quality left wingers out thete if you really look for them'!,just look at MU who have found Janezai!, what Spurs tried to do was change the way we play which is fine if you have the quality players suited to the new formation,AVB,wanted a lone striker and a flooded midfield with a high back line, his theory being win the ball high up the pitch so we have many players forward to be destructive to the opposition!, for this to work you need a Fabregas, Wilsher, Silva,Lampard,Gerrard in the centet who are comfortable on the ball in close quauters with out and out pacey wingers who get the ball to tje byline and whip quality crosses in the box, the midfield make runs forward to back up the striker. This does work but not with Dembele Sandro, Bentaleb, Capoue!, these are more defence brawn players and not known for fancy flicks and turning players inside out!, Lennon on th wing is passed his best and spends more time everywhere but on the wing!, Townsend is not getting enough game time, Soldado is starved of service and so coming out of position looking to get ivolved in the game.
The defence is highly exposed playing so high up the pitch, the players are not quick enough for defenders, are not composed on the ball enough for defenders, they do not talk to each other or act as a unit!, unfortunatly Spurs seem to think O I'll just put a big man in there and everything will be fine lol, nothing cn be furthet from the truth!.
No team can be truely great with these morals!, the playing areas must be addressed with quality not potentials!, get the quality first then nurture the prospects
Yes you are right. And the place to start is the back 4. Just look at how much better Chelsea's back 4 were against PSG. For example, Ashley Cole, who is better than our left backs put together, cannot even get a sniff these days. We should be buying him for a start. We could and should have had Cahill. How good is he these days ? And JT for that matter, just look how he organises his defence.