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Title: Has Spurs got any World Class Players?
Post by: Adventurer on September 02, 2010, 11:41:18 PM
There is a big debate about world class players and what one   is.

I think a world class player is one who can get in the worlds top 2   teams.
Basically the top 22 players in the world.
I would say that   Tottenham only has 1 potential WC player at the moment and that is   Gareth Bale.
Actually the way he is playing at the moment I would say   not potential but actually is.
Others who could maybe knock at the door   in the future may be Sandro & Lennon.
I do not think anyone else is   good enough to be in the top 22 in the world but at a stretch during a   certain group of games there might be an argument for Gomes &   Modric.

Title: Re: Has Spurs got any World Class Players?
Post by: Derry-Yid on September 03, 2010, 12:51:14 AM
Funny you should mention that....i was reading a piece about us and world class players the other day(see below)....its a good read....the word 'world class' is branded about to much i think now a days....imo players from yesteryear like Pele...Bobby Moore...George Best...Maradona...Maldani were true world class players....moving on to more recent players like Cantona....Bergkamp...Roy Keane....Zola....Klinsmann...Viera(finished now)....now at the minute Drobga....Gareth Bale?...Van Der Vaart?....them old players and the 3 that plays now in the EPL could walk into any of the top teams in world football...thats the only two 'world class players i think we have atm'

Are we closing the "world-class" gap?   

             
I have said for some time that as good as our squad   was, we lacked in two major areas, experience and a couple of world   class players, but I wonder if we have closed the gap in both   departments?

Firstly we have added around 250 international caps   worth of experience with the signings of William Gallas, Stipe Pletikosa   and Rafael van der Vaart, and even if we assume that the first two will   be squad players, their influence in the dressing room could be   immense. When you consider that they also cost a combined total of £8   million, it is pretty shrewd business from Tottenham`s point of view.

As   for debating whether a player is world class is always a difficult one,   but perhaps we could consider players who would not look out of place   alongside the very best or who could comfortably fit into the likes of   Inter, Barca or any of the elite teams in the game, that is as good a   level indicator as I feel we need.

In the last year or so, I feel   that the established big boys of our game, have perhaps dropped one or   two superstars such as Ronaldo, but when you look at the current squads,   which players from the established teams are genuinely considered   alongside the very best?

For Chelsea, I would argue that they   have Didier Drogba, Michael Essien and Ashley Cole, as truly top   players, but United seem to be increasingly relying on a team ethic,   with only Vidic, Evra and Rooney, even worth  considering in that   bracket at this time and which of those have ever set the world stage   alight?

Ars*nal have Fabregas and possibly Van Persie as   exceptional players, but are they world class? Probably, in my opinion.   Similarly Liverpool have Torres and Gerrard and City have some   exceptional players, but which would get into the very best sides in the   game?

At Spurs we still probably rank alongside City, with the   signing of Van der Vaart and the emergence of Gareth Bale, we have one   potential world star and another who out shone one of the world`s best   in Kaka, last season.

Consider the quality of Ledley King and   even Heurelho Gomes, and we perhaps could argue that although we are not   quite there yet in terms of elite talent, we are certainly closing the   gap and maybe even overtaking one or two, if we can get everything to   click into place...


Title: Re: Has Spurs got any World Class Players?
Post by: WilsonJet on September 03, 2010, 01:25:53 AM
Good thoughts fellas. I was going over the roster last night and was just amazed at how talented and deep it has become. There are going to be some fringe players who will either want to go, or will need to go unless we make an unexpectedly deep run in Europe (Jermaine Jenas, Jamie O'Hara, and David Bentley spring to mind). I'm amazed at the quality that the club has assembled in a relatively short period of time, all while holding on to our own core players. A year ago this time I would have never believed it, but Gareth Bale is a phenom. Based on current form - he is legitimately world class.
Title: Re: Has Spurs got any World Class Players?
Post by: RiffHard on September 03, 2010, 07:29:57 AM
Honestly, I don't think we have genuine world class players. Let me explain. Firstly, the term world class is dubious itself. What makes payer world class? His abilities? If yes then compared to who? Does the fact how many people know the player make him world class? Maybe. Beckham was a world class right midfielder but can we say that he is world class today? I don't think so. He is probably the best known footballer still, though. Does winning competitions make a player world class? Maybe, considering that these so-called world class players usually play against each other in top competitions such as the World Cup, the European Championship and Champions League.
Now, looking at our squad list I think that there are players who have the potential to be world class - Gareth Bale, Gomes, Modric and maybe Huddlestone. Modric was considered world class but his injury has somewhat put and end to this hoorah. And let's be honest, we all love him (exept G. Keown) but he just isn't the same player right now. Van der Vaart had the potential, I think, but as many players before him - Real Madrid somewhat hampered his career. Football is a funny old game and I actually believe we can call someone world class only when their careers are over and we can look back on them.
Title: Re: Has Spurs got any World Class Players?
Post by: paul62ok on September 03, 2010, 08:08:27 AM
To me a player is world class if, without massive controversy, he merits a place in a worlds best 11 (lucky the same logic doesnt apply to champions league!).
 
This is a really special group of players and we have very few, if any, in the Premiership. I would also add that to be considered world class by a broad spectrum of people (not just prem watchers or your own club's fans), you probably have to win something at club or international level or at least appear in the latter stages of the big competitions (CL, World Cup, etc)
 
Probably Drogba in the Prem, then after that everyone else is debatable. Bale has potential to be world class but has really only been playing at an outstanding level for a few months. As a LB he is inexperienced and as a winger he is theoretically competing for a place with the likes of Ozil, Ronaldo, Messi. If we are brutally honest, no-one else in our team is close. Would Lennon get into a team ahead of the above three - sadly no. Modric ahead of Xavi or Iniesta? No - Gomes ahead of Casillas? - no - he isnt the first choice Brazilian keeper. Huddlestone - not even ahead of Fabregas ad Scholes yet (on a regular basis).
 
Van Der Varrt - we shall see.
 
Fortunately for Spurs we have players who are worth debating for a 'Premiership best' team and we couldnt say that few yearts back!
Title: Re: Has Spurs got any World Class Players?
Post by: bigv on September 03, 2010, 08:45:41 AM
Good thread. And some valid points raised. I think it is unfair to rate a player world class only if they have won various competitions as football is a team game. How many world class players have we seen who played with average club or international sides and never won anything.?
Title: Re: Has Spurs got any World Class Players?
Post by: paul62ok on September 03, 2010, 10:05:34 AM
I take the point above about world class players in average sides (Best/NI and Giggs/Wales are obvious examples), although they were hugely successful at club level, but one of the things that defines a great player is that they show their ability at the highest level. A great player doesnt have to have the medals - he could play for a team that just missed out on league titles and only got to World Cup semis.
 
Time is important - a player can have a world class game in which he is unplayable (Lennon vs Wigan last year?) but to be recognised as a world class player he has to repeat it numerous times against better opposition in more pressurised/higher profile games.
 
Riffhard is right in that you can only really truly determine world class at the end of a career - if Bale stopped playing now he wouldnt be remembered as a world class player, but he might if he stopped in ten years time.
Title: Re: Has Spurs got any World Class Players?
Post by: CountPuchi on September 03, 2010, 10:27:43 AM
Its hard to define World Class players but if it was me id take my pick in 2 kinds of attributes

World class form
World class abilities

Based on form, to be dub world class you can only look at Messi, He's still freescoring at Barca! no one can doubt his abilities too. Or Xavi, creating chances after chances for players like Messi! Looking at this im sure they are considered world class.

Now here's a point i want to prove especially players like Christina Ronildo. He has the ability but yet his form is by far as good as Lennon's. Do you still consider him World Class? Kaka & Van der Vaart. Clearly last season VDV Took his chance and overshadowed Kaka. But do you call a player like VdV world class or is Kaka better?

Id say to dub someone World Class it would have to be both regardless where or what team ur in. Right now in our team the only World Class player i have to say is Gareth... *No not Gareth Keown* but Gareth Bale~ *hehe*

Bale got the ability and the form right now and he should be considered World Class. Back in the day Beckham was considered too right? but why not now? Because he lost his form? or his ability? Mind you im saying this because ability wise he still got it but less efficient due to his age~. Suffice to say Gomes = World Class goalkeeper last season when he effectively saved us from killer shots time and time again.
Title: Re: Has Spurs got any World Class Players?
Post by: Aosoth on September 03, 2010, 11:42:09 AM

No - Gomes ahead of Casillas? - no - he isnt the first choice Brazilian keeper.


Bah I don't even think Iker Casillas is the best SPANISH goalkeeper let alone the best GK in the world.  I think Pepe Reina is by a long way a better goalkeeper than him, he just doesn't play for Real Madrid or Barcelona, the Spanish darlings.
Title: Re: Has Spurs got any World Class Players?
Post by: Gareth Keown on September 03, 2010, 12:27:02 PM
we have a few approaching world-class: Gomes, King, Bale and even BAE (when he doesnt take unnecessary risks with his showboating).... maybe vdVaart, Modric and THudd (in the specialisms they have) could approach it in time...

and the most intrigying possible for near world-class POTENTIAL for me... Younes Kaboul..

Title: Re: Has Spurs got any World Class Players?
Post by: dedleysting on September 03, 2010, 12:38:44 PM
do Spurs have any?

Nope, not yet anyway... potentaily we have Lennon, Bale, VDV, King and Woodgate (although Woddy's days look numbered)
Title: Re: Has Spurs got any World Class Players?
Post by: bigv on September 03, 2010, 01:07:41 PM
Really? kaboul? I have not seen glimpses of brilliance in any position to warrant a mention. Of potential world class abilities. I would love to be proven incorrect.
Title: Re: Has Spurs got any World Class Players?
Post by: Gareth Keown on September 03, 2010, 01:13:43 PM
Kaboul has the ability to be the Prem's Maicon..... he perception of Bale this time last year was that of an over-hyped LB who couldnt defend and had this silly record of the team never winning when he starts...

those same ppl would have long forgotten that when he 1st came here as an 18yr old Jol played him at LM where he was nearly just as good as he is now (outshining Lennon even then) then he got injured long-term and ppl forgot about him..
Title: Re: Has Spurs got any World Class Players?
Post by: millers-tach on September 03, 2010, 01:46:13 PM
In short no we don't, and probably won't have either. I love Spurs, I love the EPL but sometimes i think people forget the rest of the world.
 
Drogba, Essian are the only two in the EPL for me. There are many other great pleayers kicking about but World Class.....don't think so.
 
Bale could easily prove me wrong.
 
 
 
** It should be noted i have been wrong many times in the past
Title: Re: Has Spurs got any World Class Players?
Post by: ugs on September 03, 2010, 02:55:47 PM
I would say the definition of World Class would be a player who performs at the highest level for Club and more importantly country for the majority of their career. Using this criteria I would say that in the current Spurs squad only Van der Vaart has the potential to be World Class but as of yet hasn't quite achieved this. Luka Modric is also a player that has the potential but as stated early has had a drop in form since his broken leg of last season and hasn't really recaptured his form yet. The rest of the squad at the moment haven't managed to cement themselves in a national squad so they can't be placed in the World Class bracket although alot of them have been Outstanding for us over the last couple of seasons.
 
Just as an example of what I mean take Wayne Rooney rarely has a bad game for United and always gives 100%, but as of yet has failed at international level. This in my eyes would make him an outstanding Club Player but as of yet not a World Class player.
 
 :)
Title: Re: Has Spurs got any World Class Players?
Post by: CountPuchi on September 03, 2010, 03:04:04 PM
But ugs certainly that could be implied to Messi? Yet he is known as the world's best footballer last season.
Title: Re: Has Spurs got any World Class Players?
Post by: ugs on September 03, 2010, 03:47:21 PM
But ugs certainly that could be implied to Messi? Yet he is known as the world's best footballer last season.

Very true but I think as someone said earlier you need to look at their whole career and to be fair I thought he was one of the best players at this years World Cup even though he didn't score !!
Title: Re: Has Spurs got any World Class Players?
Post by: TheStig on September 03, 2010, 03:53:51 PM
I cant find a more up to date list than 2008 ......but here is 442's idea of world class.

Maybe its not the full 100 than can slot into the catagory of world class.........maybe the first 40 (or top two teams as already mentioned)

Dunno if the list helps but here it is..........(Huntlaar at 100 wtf? lol) ....if anyone can find the up to date one it would be interesting to see it. .....oh and Im sure Frank Lampard was a typo lmao

1. Christiano Ronaldo - Manchester United
2. Lionel Messi - Barcelona
3. Fernando Torres - Liverpool
4. Iker Casillas - Real Madrid
5. Kaka - AC Milan
6. David Villa - Valencia
7. Zlatan Ibrahimovic - Inter Milan
8. Sergio Aguero - Athletico Madrid
9. Rio Ferdinand - Manchester United
10. Steven Gerrard - Liverpool
11. Xavi Hernandez - Barcelona
12. Cesc Fabregas - Ars*nal
13. Frank Lampard - Chelsea
14. Ruud Van Nistelrooy - Real Madrid
15. Emmanuel Adebayor - Ars*nal
16. Didier Drogba - Chelsea
17. Frank Ribery - Bayern Munich
18. Michael Ballack - Chelsea
19. Guianlugi Buffon - Juventus
20. Sergio Ramos - Real Madrid
21. Wesley Sneijder - Real Madrid
22. Michael Essien - Chelsea
23. Daniel Alves - Barcelona
24. Wayne Rooney - Manchester United
25. Ricardo Carvalho - Chelsea
26. Maicon - Inter Milan
27. Andres Iniesta - Barcelona
28. Andrei Arshavin - Zenit Saint Petersburg
29. Deco - Chelsea
30. Marcos Senna - Villareal
31. Luis Fabiano - Sevilla
32. John Terry - Chelsea
33. Daniele De Rossi - AS Roma
34. Nemanja Vidic - Manchester United
35. Javier Mascherano - Liverpool
36. Samuel Eto'o - Barcelona
37. Dimitar Berbatov - Manchester United
38. David Silva - Valencia
39. Nihat Kahveci - Villareal
40. Patrice Evra - Manchester United
41. Anatoily Tymoshchuk - Zenit Saint Petersburg
42. Robinho - Manchester City
43. Esteban Cambiasso - Inter Milan
44. Ashley Cole - Chelsea
45. Alessandro Del Piero - Juventus
46. Seydou Keita - Barcelona
47. Jose Bosingwa - Chelsea
48. Carlos Tevez - Manchester United
49. Joe Cole - Chelsea
50. Yuri Zhirkov - CSKA Moscow
51. Arjen Robben - Real Madrid
52. Artur Boruc - Celtic
53. Petr Cech - Chelsea
54. Francesco Totti - AS Roma
55. Luca Toni - Bayern Munich
56. Raul - Real Madrid
57. Thierry Henry - Barcelona
58. Christian Chivu - Inter Milan
59. Alessandro Nesta - AC Milan
60. Rafael van der Vaart - Real Madrid
61. Pepe - Real Madrid
62. Luca Modric - Tottenham Hotspur
63. Karim Benzema - Lyon
64. Roque Santa Cruz - Blackburn Rovers
65. Mahamadou - Real Madrid
66. Philipp Lahm - Bayern Munich
67. Andrea Pirlo - AC Milan
68. Diego Forlan - Athletico Madrid
69. Santi Cazorta - Villareal
70. Ronaldinho - AC Milan
71. Dariho Srna - Shakhtar Donetsk
72. Fabio Cannavaro - Real Madrid
73. Juninho Pernambucano - Lyon
74. Mauro Camoranesi - Juventus
75. David Trezeguet - Juventus
76. Miroslav Klose - Bayern Munich
77. Gael Clichy - Ars*nal
78. Fredi Kanoute - Sevilla
79. Antonio Di Natale - Udinese
80. Javier Zanetti - Inter Milan
81. Robert Pires - Villareal
82. Christian Poulsen - Juventus
83. Diego - Werder Bremen
84. Mancini - Inter Milan
85. Giorgo Chiellini - Juventus
86. Gonzalo Higuain - Real Madrid
87. Gianluca Zambrotta - AC Milan
88. Bacary Sagna - Ars*nal
89. Danny - Zenit Saint Petersburg
90. John Obi Mikel - Chelsea
91. Goran Pandev - Lazio
92. Igor Akinfeev - CSKA Moscow
93. Simao Sabrosa - Athletico Madrid
94. Amauri - Juventus
95. Paul Scholes - Manchester United
96. Lassana Diarra - Portsmouth
97. Diego Capel - Sevilla
98. Antonio Cassano - Sampdoria
99. Bastian Schweinsteiger - Bayern Munich
100. Klaas-Jan Hunterlaar - Ajax
Title: Re: Has Spurs got any World Class Players?
Post by: PaulInRome on September 03, 2010, 05:04:25 PM
I wonder what number the first spurs player would be?

I think the best way to judge whether we have world class players is whether they attract interest from the top european teams. By that standard, Bale is there, and probably Modric too. Someone like Bentley attracts interest from Fulham - which says it all...
Title: Re: Has Spurs got any World Class Players?
Post by: CountPuchi on September 03, 2010, 09:36:09 PM
60. Rafael van der Vaart - Real Madrid
61. Pepe - Real Madrid
62. Luca Modric - Tottenham Hotspur


First spurs player is RVDV number 60! No fret mate!!
Title: Re: Has Spurs got any World Class Players?
Post by: Aosoth on September 03, 2010, 09:59:52 PM
Sorry that list doesn't add up for me =p the simple fact that John Terry outranks Cashley is beyond me.  2 Years ago, I honestly think (as difficult as it is to say) Cashley was outright the best left back in the world....any team would have had him in their first 11.  I don't think I've ever been able to even contemplate saying the same about John Terry.

There are players in that list lower than "JT" that he couldn't hold a candle to on his best day!  (Can you tell I'm not a fan??!!)
Title: Re: Has Spurs got any World Class Players?
Post by: CountPuchi on September 03, 2010, 10:11:45 PM
True~ Very true~ although i gotta say JT was awesome during Mourinho's era at chelskum. I think his value went up since then. Although right now you can say his stocks are rapidly falling haha!
Title: Re: Has Spurs got any World Class Players?
Post by: TheStig on September 03, 2010, 10:31:46 PM
There are more floors in that list than the sears tower to be honest.

I reckon we have a few players that fit the category of world class .....although not the best in the world they could hold their own in a world class game. Maybe coming off the bench.

After tonight I reckon defoe wouldnt do too badly for a half, Modric would get 45 mins, lennon also 45 mins, King if he were not impaired would have been possibly the best CB in the world, Bale is 45 mins worth at the least, Gomes 40 mins.......Keane at his best a few years back would have held his own for 20 mins or so.

To clarify .....thats if the messi's and kaka's etc were taken off injured.

I suppose that means ..............no then.......when you really whittle it down .......we have no ....outstanding bang on, out and out... World class players

Van der Vaart ....may change all that.....fingers crossed.









Title: Re: Has Spurs got any World Class Players?
Post by: dedleysting on September 04, 2010, 12:47:25 PM

Drogba, Essian are the only two in the EPL for me. There are many other great pleayers kicking about but World Class.....don't think so.

** It should be noted i have been wrong many times in the past

What about Rooney, Torres, Fabregas, Reina, A.Cole and Evra..... all are world class if you ask me!
Title: Re: Has Spurs got any World Class Players?
Post by: millers-tach on September 04, 2010, 08:47:17 PM

Drogba, Essian are the only two in the EPL for me. There are many other great pleayers kicking about but World Class.....don't think so.

** It should be noted i have been wrong many times in the past

What about Rooney, Torres, Fabregas, Reina, A.Cole and Evra..... all are world class if you ask me!

 
Evra- Tragic, totally all at sea for the poor Frenchies at world cup, including getting skinned for a couple of goals really badly.
 
Rooney, please! Great player, hard worker etc etc but has not world class, thats all just an English media thing.
 
Torres, tough call because on his day he is brilliant so i am going to give you that one, even though at international level Villa has proved over and over again to be world class.....not so much the Torres yet.
 
Reina, great keeper but not close to being world class for me
 
A Hole, Ripped a new one on a few occasions for England during world cup, including getting caught a few times by simple balls played inside him. Attacking full back I say great, pace at back great but would i ever have a good word to say about the prick....no  :lol:
 
Fabregas, In the spain team....no. World class.....no. Perhaps being harsh as he is up against two of the best midfielders in the world but tough he's a goon so no he isnt getting in either!
 
As you can see i am biased as f*ck but the real thing for me is my World Class Definition is Platini, Zidane, Matthaus, Messi, Maradona etc etc the next level down of great players would have way too many to bother categorising.
 
Just my simple thoughts so no problem we disagree, healthy debate  :up:
Title: Re: Has Spurs got any World Class Players?
Post by: dedleysting on September 05, 2010, 03:15:29 PM

Drogba, Essian are the only two in the EPL for me. There are many other great pleayers kicking about but World Class.....don't think so.

** It should be noted i have been wrong many times in the past

What about Rooney, Torres, Fabregas, Reina, A.Cole and Evra..... all are world class if you ask me!

 
Evra- Tragic, totally all at sea for the poor Frenchies at world cup, including getting skinned for a couple of goals really badly.
 
Rooney, please! Great player, hard worker etc etc but has not world class, thats all just an English media thing.
 
Torres, tough call because on his day he is brilliant so i am going to give you that one, even though at international level Villa has proved over and over again to be world class.....not so much the Torres yet.
 
Reina, great keeper but not close to being world class for me
 
A Hole, Ripped a new one on a few occasions for England during world cup, including getting caught a few times by simple balls played inside him. Attacking full back I say great, pace at back great but would i ever have a good word to say about the prick....no  :lol:
 
Fabregas, In the spain team....no. World class.....no. Perhaps being harsh as he is up against two of the best midfielders in the world but tough he's a goon so no he isnt getting in either!
 
As you can see i am biased as f*ck but the real thing for me is my World Class Definition is Platini, Zidane, Matthaus, Messi, Maradona etc etc the next level down of great players would have way too many to bother categorising.
 
Just my simple thoughts so no problem we disagree, healthy debate  :up:

Fair enough mate  :up:  i see your opinions on those players i named. I still however disagree with your thoughts on Evra, Rooney and Fabregas, all are fantastic players and i'd say they are in the category of World Class as they play their trade in what i think is the toughest league in the world.
Title: Re: Has Spurs got any World Class Players?
Post by: Glenn R on December 03, 2012, 08:57:08 PM
Is it important for any club to have world class players? What is important, and I would rather have, is a team that knitted together and worked together. Alf Ramsey did it and won the league with unknowns. Granted it was in a different era.

I would rather see a team that worked well together of unknowns that a team of well-known international players who couldn’t work together. I remember going and seeing Spurs when they had Gascoigne in the side. When he was playing we did well, but as soon as he was out we collapsed. I know we are in a time of celebrity footballers and it is part and parcel of football today but I still would prefer a team work. After all football is about the whole and not the singular.
Title: Re: Has Spurs got any World Class Players?
Post by: spursjoolz on December 03, 2012, 09:15:05 PM
I have just read posts for people I have never seen before. I know there are 1000's of members on SN and I realise  that people come and go, but it would be nice to hear comments from differentt supporters, in addition the faithful few we know about. So , let's hear from you guys!

:up:
Title: Re: Has Spurs got any World Class Players?
Post by: Metalanimal on December 03, 2012, 10:12:41 PM
Wow reading that was like seeing lost old friends, what has happened to Millers, Dedleysting and CountPuchi (who sent me the template for my THFC tattoo) would be great to hear from these supporters and have them post again.

Title: Re: Has Spurs got any World Class Players?
Post by: Glenn R on December 04, 2012, 04:47:26 PM
Wow reading that was like seeing lost old friends, what has happened to Millers, Dedleysting and CountPuchi (who sent me the template for my THFC tattoo) would be great to hear from these supporters and have them post again.

If my suggestion is taken up then they could all be rushing back to a home reunion. Of course subtracting those that turned into Ars*nal supporters, dead, lost interest or joined a forum that has spiritual connections with Danny Blanchflower.  :up:
Title: Re: Has Spurs got any World Class Players?
Post by: spursjoolz on December 04, 2012, 08:35:34 PM
I would love to read comments from other Spurs supporters on AVB.
We have a majority of pro AVB at the moment. It would be good to add a few more
Title: Re: Has Spurs got any World Class Players?
Post by: Metalanimal on December 06, 2012, 09:30:05 PM
Dempsey is not world class, just thought i would add that lol
Title: Re: Has Spurs got any World Class Players?
Post by: RiffHard on December 07, 2012, 06:45:40 AM
Dempsey is not world class, just thought i would add that lol
He is not. He is a good player, but a bit too inconsistent. Let's see whether he keeps his place in the team now that Parker is back.
Title: Re: Has Spurs got any World Class Players?
Post by: Metalanimal on December 07, 2012, 06:47:23 AM
Dempsey is not world class, just thought i would add that lol
He is not. He is a good player, but a bit too inconsistent. Let's see whether he keeps his place in the team now that Parker is back.

True a good player on his day but not the standard we need for developing and moving forward as a club, i think he has a role within the squad but not starting 11 with better players available.
Title: Re: Has Spurs got any World Class Players?
Post by: RSS61 on December 07, 2012, 07:53:45 AM
World class players are those who teams like Real and Barca hunt down and pay 30 mill plus for.

Therefore I would say that Modric and Bale are the only two we have had in the last few years, with maybe Berba for a short while.
Title: Re: Has Spurs got any World Class Players?
Post by: Metalanimal on December 07, 2012, 01:35:01 PM
World class players are those who teams like Real and Barca hunt down and pay 30 mill plus for.

Therefore I would say that Modric and Bale are the only two we have had in the last few years, with maybe Berba for a short while.

I think VdV fits the bill as world class too
Title: Re: Has Spurs got any World Class Players?
Post by: Glenn R on December 07, 2012, 05:16:17 PM
Dempsey is not world class, just thought i would add that lol
He is not. He is a good player, but a bit too inconsistent. Let's see whether he keeps his place in the team now that Parker is back.

A good player or a great player; what is important is that he fits into a successful team. Sometimes a good player can be better than a great player in the right team.
Title: Re: Has Spurs got any World Class Players?
Post by: RSS61 on December 10, 2012, 08:15:47 AM
Dempsey is not world class, just thought i would add that lol
He is not. He is a good player, but a bit too inconsistent. Let's see whether he keeps his place in the team now that Parker is back.

A good player or a great player; what is important is that he fits into a successful team. Sometimes a good player can be better than a great player in the right team.

Thats a good point, one that Billy Nick realised early on, getting in the right players ,more often than the wrong ones.
Title: Re: Has Spurs got any World Class Players?
Post by: Paul Finch on December 10, 2012, 09:46:48 AM
I would certainly add Dembele, this is a player who will become World Class, he is already starting to show those qualities, and he will be sought after by the likes of Barca, also possibly Lloris, he is certainly starting to show that he is a top class keeper.
Title: Re: Has Spurs got any World Class Players?
Post by: Glenn R on December 10, 2012, 09:48:57 AM
That what Alf Ramsey did with Ispwich and when he dropped Greaves (World Cup) he wasn't think about his qualities but who would be better to fit into the team. Granted Greaves was injured leading up to the final. But I would rather have a great team of good players and a bad team of great players.

I think one of the problems with the current England team is that, no matter what, we have to have Rooney playing. The manager should have dropped Rooney and let one of the other strikers in.
Title: Re: Has Spurs got any World Class Players?
Post by: Glenn R on December 10, 2012, 09:50:20 AM
I would certainly add Dembele, this is a player who will become World Class, he is already starting to show those qualities, and he will be sought after by the likes of Barca, also possibly Lloris, he is certainly starting to show that he is a top class keeper.

I agree. He was a very good purchase. It is also interesting that Defoe and Dembele was taken off and then we conceded against Everton.
Title: Re: Has Spurs got any World Class Players?
Post by: Paul Finch on December 10, 2012, 10:01:55 AM
  It wasn't happening for Defoe, although he is always likely to create something out of nothing, and I think Dembele might have been carrying an injury, he certainly looked to be hobbling a bit. We conceded goals because the defence panicked and started to just hoof the ball out of defence, instead of passing it to a team-mate and trying to retain possession!!!!
Title: Re: Has Spurs got any World Class Players?
Post by: Glenn R on December 10, 2012, 04:59:12 PM
  It wasn't happening for Defoe, although he is always likely to create something out of nothing, and I think Dembele might have been carrying an injury, he certainly looked to be hobbling a bit. We conceded goals because the defence panicked and started to just hoof the ball out of defence, instead of passing it to a team-mate and trying to retain possession!!!!

I agree with your comments here. I do hope that Dembele can bounce back.
Title: Re: Has Spurs got any World Class Players?
Post by: taimedowne on December 10, 2012, 07:22:00 PM
I'd say that without his injurys Ledley could have been world class he had the knowledge and the ability to have played for any of the top teams. We can be sure that had he been fully fit offers would have been made whether he would of accepted them we will never really know.
Title: Re: Has Spurs got any World Class Players?
Post by: Glenn R on December 10, 2012, 09:41:02 PM
I'd say that without his injurys Ledley could have been world class he had the knowledge and the ability to have played for any of the top teams. We can be sure that had he been fully fit offers would have been made whether he would of accepted them we will never really know.

As you say, we will never know. But I think you are right. He said he was loyal to Spurs. But if push became shove would he have stayed? Don't forget Campbell said the same thing, he also said he would never go to Ars*nal.
Title: Re: Has Spurs got any World Class Players?
Post by: RSS61 on December 11, 2012, 07:26:57 AM
I'd say that without his injurys Ledley could have been world class he had the knowledge and the ability to have played for any of the top teams. We can be sure that had he been fully fit offers would have been made whether he would of accepted them we will never really know.

On his day, Ledley was world class even with his injury. Without doubt amongst the most talented CB's to ever wear a Spurs shirt.
My feeling is that if he had stayed fit, and become an England regular, we would not have been able to hold onto him.