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Tottenham Discussion => Spurs Chat => Topic started by: Biggs on November 29, 2010, 10:08:18 AM
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Skysports and other sites are reporting that vdv could be out for a month...
if its true, then it's bad news :(
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foe is a better partner for Crouch or even Pav..... and we still have Keane as backup.... we get to retain our favoured 4-4-2..... so whats the problemo ???
I'm more worried about Kaboom.... hope its just a muscle tear and not ligaments or fracture....
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For the past 3 or 4 game, he hasnt been 100% match fit.
The lad needs a rest, shouldnt of started in the first place yesturday,after passing a late fitness test.
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Not good news but hopefully our physios can take the time and nurture him back to full fitness and not rush him back. It seems that Kranjcar and Keane could now get a chance to prove their worth.
According to Sky Sports Kaboul has a hip injury which could mean a lengthy spell on the sidelines. Again, not good news at all as we seem to be getting short at the back again and Gallas and Kaboul had really started to play well together.
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take as long as you need Rafael, in fact take even longer..... good point about Krankie being able to play the vdV role (poss even better ??) as well as Keano being around still like the proverbial bad smell...
hope its just an ickle muscle tear with Eunice, as its just a 2wk or so layoff.... we did the hard work last week now..
Bassong is an able backup.... we should be alright next mumf....
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take as long as you need Rafael, in fact take even longer..... good point about Krankie being able to play the vdV role (poss even better ??) as well as Keano being around still like the proverbial bad smell...
hope its just an ickle muscle tear with Eunice, as its just a 2wk or so layoff.... we did the hard work last week now..
Bassong is an able backup.... we should be alright next mumf....
Once again you seem to be overjoyed at the loss of one of our best / if not the best player we have, you really are a irratating little s**te stirrer. He's our top scorer and with Defoe now back we had the chance to play him alongside Van der Vaart to see what kind of impact the pair could have.
Why you are still here is beyond me as you really are not a Spurs Supportter, Fan, Follower or whatever, I could understand it if it was put in a balanced argument but you seem to just gloat over the facts and try to wind up the Forum.
I personally hope that both players injuries are minor and both are back fit and playing in the shortest possible time as both have been outstanding in recent games.
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I make no apology for wanting vdV outta the team until we get ourselvea proper lone-striker he can play behind.... if you think that Defoe has the physique to be a lone striker for him, you really are not the sharpest tool in the box...
I'd love to see vdV fully operational from mid-Jan, when hopefully we can get that piece of the jigsaw: a tall, pacy goal-getter..... who also knows how to be a link play when needed in a 4-4-2..
until that day comes, I hope Defoe gets a nice un-pressured run in the team... which he now will..
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VDV has been one of our best players. You go from stirring things talking about wanting Bale to be sold and wanting Ars*nal to win. Now you're saying you're glad that VDV is out. I'm just going to stop reading your nonsense posts. You're obviously just a forum troll.
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ahem.... didnt I just say that look forward to seeing vdV from mid-Jan, with an appropriate LONE-STRIKER just ahead of him.... what part of that is not in English ??
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I'm a fool for even dignifying this with a response. If you were just of the opinion that we play better without VDV in the team, I wouldn't agree with you, but I would accept your opinion. But you don't do that. You start as if you're making a logical post and then you say things like this, "take as long as you need Rafael, in fact take even longer" to stir things up.
I'm guessing this is going to be your new troll topic as you've already talked the Jenas/Modric and Bale being sold topics to death.
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Gayreth disrespecting our new star player, surely that warrants him to be banned?
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even when youre trying oh so hard to pick holes in my harmless comments, you still fail miserably...
I do hope vdV has an appropriately long and successful convalescence, just as Defoe has now done, and comes back in mid-Jan firing on all cylinders.... with a proper lone-striker in front of him (when we wish to play that way)...
and using your own 'logic' the inference is that its alright to disrespect certain players eg. Jenas perhaps, but not so 'popular' so-called 'star-players' (I take it you regard vdV as such).... which is possibly even more despicable..
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You talk such bollocks boy its unbelievable.
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even when youre trying oh so hard to pick holes in my harmless comments, you still fail miserably...
I do hope vdV has an appropriately long and successful convalescence, just as Defoe has now done, and comes back in mid-Jan firing on all cylinders.... with a proper lone-striker in front of him (when we wish to play that way)...
and using your own 'logic' the inference is that its alright to disrespect certain players eg. Jenas perhaps, but not so 'popular' so-called 'star-players' (I take it you regard vdV as such).... which is possibly even more despicable..
(http://www.boozeandcues.co.uk/troll.jpg)
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Loosing both VDV and Kaboul are going to be a big blows, fingers crossed for quick returns for them.
Fortunalty Defoe, Hudd and Dawson are on the road to recovery :up:
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yeah.... Dawson needs to hurry back so that he can put Gallas on the subs bench.... after all, he was a Gooner wasnt he.... wouldnt that be just lovely...
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yeah.... Dawson needs to hurry back so that he can put Gallas on the subs bench.... after all, he was a Gooner wasnt he.... wouldnt that be just lovely...
:nope:
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Dedley..... why the :nope: ??
surely for many weeks now everyone (bar 1 to my knowledge) was certain how superior the full England intl Dawson is now, as compared to the mercenary, ageing past-it crybaby....
it must surely be of the greatest relief to most, to see Dawson gliding across the pitch in the place of the ex-Gooner....
now who was that silly person who thought different ?? :P
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We all know Dawson won't be putting Gallas on the bench they way Gallas has been playing of late.
Im just pleased to have Dawson back in the squad as we have lost Kaboul for a couple games. Also Daws return will add some much needed competition for the CB parings, as we look to tighten up at the back.
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The strength of the team is such that we can lose key players and still play great football and top teams. I'd almost forgotten about Defoe, and actually I have forgotten about King! VdV is a key player but I think we can carry onwinning without him for 3 or 4 weeks. He'll be back for the next round ofthe Champions League and that's when we need him.
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Hopefully with the current bad weather we might get a couple of postponements which would give us a chance to get a few fit without missing to many games.
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VdV is a huge loss for us, maybe now Kran will get a shout this is the times we need quality in depth and why somehow we need to keep the likes of quality likes of Kran happy somehow. WHat is the staus of Jenas at the mo?
Kaboul was starting to look solid and dam useful both defending and going forward, I hope neither are long term absentees they will be missed.
With our injury list and league + CL position the next few months are going to be make or break for the season.
I wish all our players that are currently out with injury a speedy and full recovery! :up:
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I can't make myself think that vdV will be hugely missed now that Defoe is back.... I think that despite his excellent goals-assists stats, he makes us slow on the counter and we AS A TEAM play less efficiently.... just my opinion of course..
without a proper lone-striker of the calibre needed, the 4-4-2 which players eg. Defoe and even Keano can give us, as well as Crouch and Pav, gives us the best chance of playing with that Spurs style/movement that is nearly unique in the Prem (only WBA are coming close with their own 4-4-2)...
we get bogged down especially in the midfield with vdV.... and it slows down our movement and fluidity...
if we get in the right type of striker now required, I actually do believe we can win the Prem this season... we have the best goalkeeping, defensive and midfield mini-squads in the league...
the only thing we lag the usual suspects in is in the BALANCE of our striker-options.... Benzema (or similar) will cure that.
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I don't see him ever slowing the game down. He passes as soon as the ball reaches his feet. If anything he's faster on the counter than we're used to. VDV is usually either playing as a striker, directly off the striker or on the wing.. Normally directly off the striker.
Since he's always playing for us in an attacking position I'm not entirely sure the word "despite" belongs before his "excellent goals-assist stats."
And no, I'm not trying to pick your post apart, I just don't understand your logic here. Let's just say for example that we put O'Hara in the position that VDV has been playing, just off the striker. If when he played in that role we scored more goals from open play and set pieces than using a traditional 4-4-2 with 2 traditional strikers up front, would you say that he's bogging us down in midfield?
Sometimes we do get bogged down in midfield. I've seen BAE slow down play inexplicably. I've seen Huddlestone do the same, but at least you expect a pass to come out of it. Every time I've seen VDV on the ball it's in an attacking position, unless he's tracking back to defend.
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I don't see him ever slowing the game down. He passes as soon as the ball reaches his feet. If anything he's faster on the counter than we're used to. VDV is usually either playing as a striker, directly off the striker or on the wing.. Normally directly off the striker.
Since he's always playing for us in an attacking position I'm not entirely sure the word "despite" belongs before his "excellent goals-assist stats."
And no, I'm not trying to pick your post apart, I just don't understand your logic here. Let's just say for example that we put O'Hara in the position that VDV has been playing, just off the striker. If when he played in that role we scored more goals from open play and set pieces than using a traditional 4-4-2 with 2 traditional strikers up front, would you say that he's bogging us down in midfield?
Sometimes we do get bogged down in midfield. I've seen BAE slow down play inexplicably. I've seen Huddlestone do the same, but at least you expect a pass to come out of it. Every time I've seen VDV on the ball it's in an attacking position, unless he's tracking back to defend.
Couldn't of put that any better mate
Keown is spouting bubbles....again!
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vdV has usually been played behind Crouch.... the easiest way for teams to then defend is to push up their back4 and so congest play in the midfield especially, that way Crouch's 2nd balls dont land in the pen-box.... how many times have we seen vdV virtually pick up the ball from the toes of the CBs ??...
other teams do this cos neither Crouch nor vdV have the pace to trouble advanced backlines, using balls 'over the top' into space behind the CBs.... like we could do when Bent's pace was in the team upfront...
THAT is what I meant by vdV clogging up the works, without the right striker to play ahead of him...
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I'm just struggling to understand why Harry chose to start Rafa when he was a doubt before the game. As much as I love 'Arry sometimes I do question some of his selections. Nevertheless, we are still a quality side without Rafa, and as much as he will be missed we can still win our games without him.
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I think its more to Rafa wanting to play even though he is injured! lol
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At least Modric has been playing at the top of his game recently so we still have at least one playmaker in form and fit. Hopefully Van der Vaart will be back and fit ready for our Christmas fixtures so we can push on during the busy period and set ourselves up ready for the second half of the season and CL knockouts.
:)
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At least Modric has been playing at the top of his game recently so we still have at least one playmaker in form and fit. Hopefully Van der Vaart will be back and fit ready for our Christmas fixtures so we can push on during the busy period and set ourselves up ready for the second half of the season and CL knockouts.
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I too hope that Vaart is fit soon..... but only to sit on the subs bench until further transfer developments in January...
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Biggs you are a Legend, this ignore button has certainly made my day. Really speeds up the post reading and seems to just leave the useful stuff?
Life is simple, we need as many of our players available so that Harry (he is the manager) can make the important decisions. After all he is why we are not bottom of the league but going well and have qualified for next stage of CL.
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the 'ignore' button's main feature tho I feel will be to give the option of appearing to ignore certain posters, whilst secretly indulging, with total anonymity, the unquenchable desire to read and hang on their every word.... :ohyeah:
Senor Bale.... has a certain ring to it, I find... hope Levy says 'no' tho, innit..
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:up: :up: :up: :up: :up: :up: The awesome button that is Ignore :up: :up: :up: :up: :up: :up: :up:
MT well put we do need as many players available as possible. Do you think that next season we will get a bigger treatment room lol, I know its not funny
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MT well put we do need as many players available as possible. Do you think that next season we will get a bigger treatment room lol, I know its not funny
I know its not funny but it might be money well spent !!
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I have never seen our training facilities but it makes you question why year after year our injuries are always very high (and key players) many obatined when not playing in a match, is our training pitch a field using by milk cows or goats other than days we are not having a kick around?.
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Our training facilities are second to none mate, I think its just the modern day footballer. If you look round the league teams we are not the only ones that have the same problem, most teams have 5 or 6 players out injured !
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yeah.... even tho the vast majority of players injured sustained injuries while playing actual football-matches...
vdV, THudd, JJ, Defoe, Dawson to name but 5.... dem trainin peeches eh... :D
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He will be missed but the squad we've got out today is well capable of winning this week and next!
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You kiddin me right? a month? damn, spurs needs him, he's ability get loose from the defenders and just get that amazing shot on the goal! but yeh, we do have Defoe and Pavlyuchenko...Let's just hope that defoe gets on his best again, as in last season!
GO SPURS<3 8D
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VERY disappointed with Jerselfish Defoe.... he really must learn to pass more often..
luck was due to change after the last 2-3 league games, so not too surprised at the end.... shows teams how to play with us having Crouchy upfront.... just squeeze up to the midfield and congest the play into our half... Defoe even isnt gonna outmuscle AND outrun big CBs when we play it into space behind their defence..... as today again proved..
January is just around the corner.... if we can keep Al Citeh to less than a 6pt gap this month, we may have a chance of Top4
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Stay on topic!
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Sure I heard somewhere that both VDV and Kaboul would be back in contention for the Chelsea game. Cant remember where it was I'm afraid but hope very much it's true.
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I think Kaboul has a better chance than VDV.
VDV is such a different player to everyone else and thats what makes him special. Well that as well as his talent of course!
On the other side of the coin i think Defoe could give their defense a reall hard time so the big squad could really prove its worth again.
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Ive read somewhere VdV Might return in time against Blackpool. Wow thats fast but i dont know. Dont really trust them Dutch Physios hahaha~
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I dont rate Defoe, he infuriates me, just offers nothing, is one dimensional, gets the ball runs at goal shoots 1 out of every 10 ends up being a goal, he is always offside, soo weak, noo aerial threat, limited technique, doesnt pass, doesnt link play.
Am i being over the top?
I just cant stand any of our strikers, whilst I absolutely love our first 7 midfielders and all our defence inc ekotto and hutton......the strikers I hate.
I would generally get rid of all 4.
Bring in Suarez, Rossi, Carroll I can dream cant I, I generally think we would win the league if we had better strikers, VDV being out is massive because he got a chance he scored. Just play him as a fukin striker Arry
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I agree that Defoe can be very limited in what he offers as a striker ... as is Crouch, Pav and Keane...
but... Defoe could be very good with the right striker to play off... Defoe's movement off the ball is actually quite good and he can occupy 2 (sometimes 3) players at once... if we had the RIGHT BALANCE upfront, we would indeed have a good chance to win the league (or be guaranteed Top4 every year) despite Al Citeh's loot...
shows how an average team with the right balance upfront (Brum on Saturday) can be as good as a great team with the wrong balance upfront..
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VDV to face Blackpool this wkend?
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Is VdV back in contention now?
If he plays what will be our formation will it be back to a loan striker playing off VdV?? Ifso which striker I say Pav or Defoe
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One really hopes that Vaart is out of commission until we get the pwoper type of striker to play him with.... which won't happen til mid-January..
if we don't get the right striker, we can kiss Top4 byebye this year, and be content with Top6 Europa Lge status for the next 10yrs.... yes it really is that stark and that serious..
Vaart played in the wrong context, simply cos he is famous and managed to score a few 3yarders from Crouch knockdowns a few weeks ago, will be a disaster in slow-motion for the rest of the season...
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GK another one of our key players who makes things happen for us that you dont rate then???
Dont you think Pav could play well of VdV or even defo with his speed? what is it you dont rate about VdV as he brings alot to the team
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GK another one of our key players who makes things happen for us that you dont rate then???
Dont you think Pav could play well of VdV or even defo with his speed? what is it you dont rate about VdV as he brings alot to the team
He dosen't rate him because Gareth's a gooner !!!
8D
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he also takes alot out of the team...... and if you read my words pwoperly, you will then notice I didnt say I dont rate him...
its your inability to differentiate beyond a certain degree of convention that separates you (in the plural) from me..
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"One really hopes that Vaart is out of commission until we get the pwoper type of striker to play him with.... which won't happen til mid-January.."
So for a comment such as above I would take that you dont rate VdV otherwise why the feck would you want him out of commission until we get a "pwoper" type of striker whatever that is.
So basically you say he doesnt serve a purpose for us unless we have a certain type of striker to play with him and therefore ya dont really rate him as a player and what he brings us as we currently stand end of point really aint it.
And on another note there is a hell of alot that separates you from me but thats another topic all together, shame we gotta share the same planet eh :up:
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Keown's law
If it benefits Tottenham .... Keown's against it
If it harms Tottenham ......Keown's for it
For the record Van der Vaart is a top class quality player that would benefit 99% of the teams in the world. We have missed his poaching and goal scoring prowess for the last few games.
If he's fit get him in the team !!!!
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somedays I like marmalade with my toast.... somedays chocolate-spread...
but I never have both together between 2 slices of bread..
Vaart before mid-January = :nope:
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Keown's law
If it benefits Tottenham .... Keown's against it
If it harms Tottenham ......Keown's for it
For the record Van der Vaart is a top class quality player that would benefit 99% of the teams in the world. We have missed his poaching and goal scoring prowess for the last few games.
If he's fit get him in the team !!!!
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Mine too Ugs!
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You can't deny the effect vdv has had on the side already.
So i don;t know how you can say, you hope he isn't fit unless we sign a striker to play with him.
If vdv is that infective without this so called perfect partner for him, how comes he has already got 6 goals?
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theres the rub Biggsy me ole mucker (cheeky English slang pitched in to confuse our Yankee friends :lol:)
a player like Vaart may well have scored those goals in the short-term.... he may even continue to get goals when he still does play... but theres a crickiting term which may be well apt in this situation...
its called 'playing for your average'....... Defoe did it alot when Kanoute used to set him up with 6 golden chances per game..... he converted a few but the team AS A WHOLE was in a net deficit position... our results generally were alot better with Kanoute-Keane (as Keano tracked back alot, covered positions when out of possession and also was unselfish and passed to better placed teammates)..
remember for every positive a player can bring, he may also bring 2 negatives....
if we lose 2-1 but Vaart gets Spurs' goal, is that better than winning 1-0 with someone else scoring instead ??
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If you look at our results, they are clearly better when vdv plays
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in the short term, I might roll a die (plural: dice) and get a '6' five times out of 7 attempts....
over 96 attempts, I'd most likely roll a '6' about 12 times..... and not 80+ as you might expect judging from the 1st experiments results...
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??? Whooooooooooooooooooooosh!
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perculation date: 15/01/11
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Isnt that wee bit too scientific for someone who thinks Stats isnt important?
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somedays I like marmalade with my toast.... somedays chocolate-spread...
but I never have both together between 2 slices of bread..
Vaart before mid-January = :nope:
I used to know a guy who had lime marmalade and peanut butter on toast for breakfast everyday yuk.
I think what you are trying to say is that VDV would be a better player with better players around him. That is no doubt true and any quality additions we get will help him to shine. However, he is a good player and we need him in the side no matter who is playing with. Also the last time he found himself surrounded by quality players he couldn't get in the team which is how he ended up with us in the first place.
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not so much needing quality players.... but the right type of player ahead of him to offset his deficiencies..
as I recall, I was quite pleased when Levy pulled this rabbit out the hat at the time... but seeing him play now for many games, I was disappointed in his fitness-level and limited pace.... he was never blessed with pace even in his younger days at Ajax and even Hamburg, but I was expecting more movement from him during games..
he's got a very good 1st-touch tho, and is very confident in his ability.... could be v.good for Spurs in a 4-2-3-'1'.... we just need to get the '1' to complete the jigsaw......
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not so much needing quality players.... but the right type of player ahead of him to offset his deficiencies..
as I recall, I was quite pleased when Levy pulled this rabbit out the hat at the time... but seeing him play now for many games, I was disappointed in his fitness-level and limited pace.... he was never blessed with pace even in his younger days at Ajax and even Hamburg, but I was expecting more movement from him during games..
he's got a very good 1st-touch tho, and is very confident in his ability.... could be v.good for Spurs in a 4-2-3-'1'.... we just need to get the '1' to complete the jigsaw......
Why did you say this like 3 days ago, rather than rabble on with this other dice rubbish....