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Spurs supporters in boardrooms; what do you think?
« on: October 19, 2014, 04:59:26 PM »
Spurs supporters in boardrooms; what do you think?

The Labour party are proposing that the fans should have a greater say in the boardroom. Stick a fan on the board and let him have a say, or even influence the direction of the clubs policies etc. This seems another sound bite by a political party struggling before a general election to think of something interesting to attract the fickle football fan.
How does it work? Who is picked to represent all the supporters of a particular club? It is pie in the sky. According to the headlines, football fans can have a greater say in the running of their club. This is people who are not experience in the running/ and or financial side of a football club.

If Labour wins next year's General Election, fans' trusts could be able to appoint and remove “up to a quarter - and not less than two - of a club's directors.” So we can remove professional, trained, and educated business-people, just like that. Give the unwise a say over the knowledgeable. It seems the Labour party wish to take football back to the days of barbarism.

I would be interested in who would represent me. Take my club; Tottenham Hotspur supporters have a football trust. I have heard of them through the papers, but beyond that, I know nothing about them. I have never seen any literature about this organisation at Tottenham, let alone asking people like me to join. They seem a semi- secretive mysterious organisation that say they represent members/ supporters like me, without me knowing anything about them. It sounds like the few wishing to monopolise the many. I have been going to Spurs since the late 50s and have written about them since the 90s. Nevertheless, when I speak to fans all they are saying is “we’ve heard about them, because of quotes in the papers, but beyond that they seem to be a shadow mysterious group.” Do I, as a Spurs fan, want one of them on the board speaking for me? No, I do not. I am an individual, with individual views, not part of the collective Borge who only answer to the Queen Bee.

We also must remember that football directors are fans as well. Does that mean one set of fans can displace another set of fans? More so when those directors are contributing financially? On the other hand, will that mean rich fans replacing rich fans? Won’t this create a vicious circle by creating what we set out to remove?

I want my club to be run successfully, not run into the ground by egotistical football fans who know nothing other than how to play Monopoly. Of course you could argue that some directors are already doing that, and that may be true, but putting inexperienced fans on the board will not guarantee super-success.

I also hear you shouting that other clubs have tried this and have supporter-representation on the boards. However, this is at lower clubs and I suggest that a lot of them are token gestures. They say countries like Germany have tried this successfully; again, I question that, and besides, we have a different structure here and what may work in one country does not mean it would work in this country.

Put me on the board and I would agree with it as I have my own agenda, views, and wants. However, many supporters would not agree with what I think, and would demand somebody with similar viewpoints as their own. In addition, what happens when they do not change anything or are part of their clubs decline? The directors could easily point the finger at the “stupid fan” and say… “If it wasn’t for him/ or her… etc.”

Running a top six-football club in the world is a high-pressurised job. Ninety-nine point nine percent of supporters would not be up to it. Which leaves a possible one percent. An elite joining an elite; how is that representing all football supporters?
As I said, this is a political incentive/ inducement in the hope of attracting more votes. We need politics to be kept out of football, not used as a football so that points could be scored.

I have considered another way since I wrote the above; if all season ticket holders and members – card carrying – had a vote. The next question is; if they had the vote, what would they vote on? Team selection; Preposterous! Prices; laughable! Price of pies? How about whether we could allow houses of ill-repute or chapels for the destitute incorporated (and the way we are playing of late, we are not far from it ourselves).

So what do you think?
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« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2014, 08:25:38 PM »
I am not sure I agree with you. Hamburg fans are on the board and they got their manager sacked and Dortmund have a say in all there transfers. I do not know, however, if that would work over here. But I do think we do need to try something. After all we pay their wages.

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« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2014, 08:15:58 AM »
Implausible.If I have to make it make you.How to do that?

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« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2014, 09:58:02 AM »
As much as it sounds nice it will not happen!, for one If I owned a company like a football club I would not go and give a supporter of my company any real control! that would be stupid and wrong!!!, yes I would agree to a social meeting club where fans and board members could have there opinions together!, it would allow the powers of be to listen to ideas from the supporters then go away and discuss between themselves what has been said then take action if plausible!, to give to much control to the fans could have a very bad effect on the club overall so no it's not a good idea really.
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« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2014, 04:22:18 PM »
I am not sure I agree with you. Hamburg fans are on the board and they got their manager sacked and Dortmund have a say in all there transfers. I do not know, however, if that would work over here. But I do think we do need to try something. After all we pay their wages.

Jane x

If a fan was on the boards he should have no part in team selection or firing. What next? Allow the fans to be managers?

We have tried something; Levy is a fan and former season ticket holder. And now he is a director. So part of the wish has come true.
I’ve lived a life that’s full. I’ve travelled each and every highway;
And more, much more than this,
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Regrets, I’ve had a few;
But then again, too few to mention.
I did what I had to do
And saw it through without exemption.

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« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2014, 04:23:59 PM »
As much as it sounds nice it will not happen!, for one If I owned a company like a football club I would not go and give a supporter of my company any real control! that would be stupid and wrong!!!, yes I would agree to a social meeting club where fans and board members could have there opinions together!, it would allow the powers of be to listen to ideas from the supporters then go away and discuss between themselves what has been said then take action if plausible!, to give to much control to the fans could have a very bad effect on the club overall so no it's not a good idea really.

Exactly. The labour party hasn't thought this through properly. As I said; it was about votes and attracting new supporters. Beyond that they don't give a  monkey's about football.
I’ve lived a life that’s full. I’ve travelled each and every highway;
And more, much more than this,
I did it my way.

Regrets, I’ve had a few;
But then again, too few to mention.
I did what I had to do
And saw it through without exemption.

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« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2014, 06:17:49 PM »
I would love to be in the boardroom, as I have a few choice words for those that are supposed to be running our club. But I do think that if we had a player on board he would be dismissed as a token. Daniel Levy should talk to the fans more and tell us what is long term plans are for the club is.

As for lowering the prices. If we want to compete with the best then we must expect to pay top prices. However, I do remember when it only cost a few quid to get in to see Spurs.

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« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2014, 07:44:13 PM »
I am not sure I agree with you. Hamburg fans are on the board and they got their manager sacked and Dortmund have a say in all there transfers. I do not know, however, if that would work over here. But I do think we do need to try something. After all we pay their wages.

Jane x

If a fan was on the boards he should have no part in team selection or firing. What next? Allow the fans to be managers?

We have tried something; Levy is a fan and former season ticket holder. And now he is a director. So part of the wish has come true.

You miss my point, it is about taking part. I agree that there could be complications by putting a fan on board, however, we did not get anywhere without trying these things out.

Jane x :dance:

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« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2014, 04:37:44 PM »
I am not sure I agree with you. Hamburg fans are on the board and they got their manager sacked and Dortmund have a say in all there transfers. I do not know, however, if that would work over here. But I do think we do need to try something. After all we pay their wages.

Jane x

If a fan was on the boards he should have no part in team selection or firing. What next? Allow the fans to be managers?

We have tried something; Levy is a fan and former season ticket holder. And now he is a director. So part of the wish has come true.

You miss my point, it is about taking part. I agree that there could be complications by putting a fan on board, however, we did not get anywhere without trying these things out.

Jane x :dance:

But it will only be a token gesture, I don't see the point. On top of that the finger could be pointed at the fan if things start going wrong; that he objected, made stupid decisions or was just stupid... or something like that.
I’ve lived a life that’s full. I’ve travelled each and every highway;
And more, much more than this,
I did it my way.

Regrets, I’ve had a few;
But then again, too few to mention.
I did what I had to do
And saw it through without exemption.

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« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2014, 07:09:27 PM »
I am not sure I agree with you. Hamburg fans are on the board and they got their manager sacked and Dortmund have a say in all there transfers. I do not know, however, if that would work over here. But I do think we do need to try something. After all we pay their wages.

Jane x

If a fan was on the boards he should have no part in team selection or firing. What next? Allow the fans to be managers?

We have tried something; Levy is a fan and former season ticket holder. And now he is a director. So part of the wish has come true.

You miss my point, it is about taking part. I agree that there could be complications by putting a fan on board, however, we did not get anywhere without trying these things out.

Jane x :dance:

But it will only be a token gesture, I don't see the point. On top of that the finger could be pointed at the fan if things start going wrong; that he objected, made stupid decisions or was just stupid... or something like that.

I don't think Daniel Levy will ever allow a mortal into the boardroom. They are places for secret handshakes etc.

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« Reply #10 on: October 24, 2014, 07:19:39 PM »
I am not sure I agree with you. Hamburg fans are on the board and they got their manager sacked and Dortmund have a say in all there transfers. I do not know, however, if that would work over here. But I do think we do need to try something. After all we pay their wages.

Jane x

If a fan was on the boards he should have no part in team selection or firing. What next? Allow the fans to be managers?

We have tried something; Levy is a fan and former season ticket holder. And now he is a director. So part of the wish has come true.

You miss my point, it is about taking part. I agree that there could be complications by putting a fan on board, however, we did not get anywhere without trying these things out.

Jane x :dance:

But it will only be a token gesture, I don't see the point. On top of that the finger could be pointed at the fan if things start going wrong; that he objected, made stupid decisions or was just stupid... or something like that.

I don't think Daniel Levy will ever allow a mortal into the boardroom. They are places for secret handshakes etc.

And people of privilege.
I’ve lived a life that’s full. I’ve travelled each and every highway;
And more, much more than this,
I did it my way.

Regrets, I’ve had a few;
But then again, too few to mention.
I did what I had to do
And saw it through without exemption.

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« Reply #11 on: October 24, 2014, 07:23:17 PM »
I am not sure I agree with you. Hamburg fans are on the board and they got their manager sacked and Dortmund have a say in all there transfers. I do not know, however, if that would work over here. But I do think we do need to try something. After all we pay their wages.

Jane x

If a fan was on the boards he should have no part in team selection or firing. What next? Allow the fans to be managers?

We have tried something; Levy is a fan and former season ticket holder. And now he is a director. So part of the wish has come true.

You miss my point, it is about taking part. I agree that there could be complications by putting a fan on board, however, we did not get anywhere without trying these things out.

Jane x :dance:

But it will only be a token gesture, I don't see the point. On top of that the finger could be pointed at the fan if things start going wrong; that he objected, made stupid decisions or was just stupid... or something like that.

I don't think Daniel Levy will ever allow a mortal into the boardroom. They are places for secret handshakes etc.

And people of privilege.

That is why I say we need somebody on the board that has the common touch. Most look down on us.

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« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2014, 07:24:17 PM »
I am not sure I agree with you. Hamburg fans are on the board and they got their manager sacked and Dortmund have a say in all there transfers. I do not know, however, if that would work over here. But I do think we do need to try something. After all we pay their wages.

Jane x

If a fan was on the boards he should have no part in team selection or firing. What next? Allow the fans to be managers?

We have tried something; Levy is a fan and former season ticket holder. And now he is a director. So part of the wish has come true.

You miss my point, it is about taking part. I agree that there could be complications by putting a fan on board, however, we did not get anywhere without trying these things out.

Jane x :dance:

But it will only be a token gesture, I don't see the point. On top of that the finger could be pointed at the fan if things start going wrong; that he objected, made stupid decisions or was just stupid... or something like that.

That maybe true, or maybe not, but we should at least try it.

Jane x

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« Reply #13 on: October 25, 2014, 04:55:23 PM »
I am not sure I agree with you. Hamburg fans are on the board and they got their manager sacked and Dortmund have a say in all there transfers. I do not know, however, if that would work over here. But I do think we do need to try something. After all we pay their wages.

Jane x

If a fan was on the boards he should have no part in team selection or firing. What next? Allow the fans to be managers?

We have tried something; Levy is a fan and former season ticket holder. And now he is a director. So part of the wish has come true.

You miss my point, it is about taking part. I agree that there could be complications by putting a fan on board, however, we did not get anywhere without trying these things out.

Jane x :dance:

But it will only be a token gesture, I don't see the point. On top of that the finger could be pointed at the fan if things start going wrong; that he objected, made stupid decisions or was just stupid... or something like that.

That maybe true, or maybe not, but we should at least try it.

Jane x

There are a lot of things to try first, I grant you that Jane.  :2funny: :hide:
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And more, much more than this,
I did it my way.

Regrets, I’ve had a few;
But then again, too few to mention.
I did what I had to do
And saw it through without exemption.

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« Reply #14 on: October 27, 2014, 07:04:04 PM »
I am not sure I agree with you. Hamburg fans are on the board and they got their manager sacked and Dortmund have a say in all there transfers. I do not know, however, if that would work over here. But I do think we do need to try something. After all we pay their wages.

Jane x

If a fan was on the boards he should have no part in team selection or firing. What next? Allow the fans to be managers?

We have tried something; Levy is a fan and former season ticket holder. And now he is a director. So part of the wish has come true.

You miss my point, it is about taking part. I agree that there could be complications by putting a fan on board, however, we did not get anywhere without trying these things out.

Jane x :dance:

But it will only be a token gesture, I don't see the point. On top of that the finger could be pointed at the fan if things start going wrong; that he objected, made stupid decisions or was just stupid... or something like that.

That maybe true, or maybe not, but we should at least try it.

Jane x

There are a lot of things to try first, I grant you that Jane.  :2funny: :hide:

I am sure there is and maybe one of those things would be to get some new players in.

Jane x